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post Aug 8 2013, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 8 2013, 05:38 PM)
Wooi, u steal my line! tongue.gif
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notworthy.gif sorry....good lines and wise thought.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 8 2013, 10:41 PM)
Hmmm... Discussion for the sake of discussion....just to kill time in order not to feel lonely?
I rather invest in other asset, like prop, no need to check market every week, i can sleep well and awake after 2 years, that is just me...don't shoot me
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hmm.gif u are right for the 1st part. but I think you will need to monitor some items too like,
the crime rate in the area,
the type of people building up to live in the area,
any new property development coming up in the area that could be + or - impact
and many things else....
else one might say "OMG what happened to my properties in just 2 years while I slept". ha-ha icon_rolleyes.gif tongue.gif
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post Aug 9 2013, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 8 2013, 09:33 PM)
IMHO - Investments are best boring.. unlike fast cars & hot women tongue.gif
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Investing boring? Good, you're doing it right
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/investing...ight-2013-05-02
......the most effective long-term investments are the most boring — low-volatility stocks and indexes, sleepy collections of bonds and portfolios that don't change for months.....Break out some play money in a small account if you feel the need to get your blood pressure up. Or put your brain to better use by taking up a new sport or pastime instead.
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 9 2013, 08:29 AM)
I rather have more exposure in US then smile.gif
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pink's favorite OSK-UOB GEYF @49% US then?
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post Aug 9 2013, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Aug 9 2013, 09:01 AM)
For global it's either AGEF/GEYF or the Aberdeen Kaka mentioned a few pages back.

I think there will be a hiccup in the US market for the new few weeks. Trying to find the best time to enter.
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hmm.gif I guess, there will always be "hiccups" in the US and so are the rest of the world......there are monthly economic data coming from US and China and (Europe too) and they are scheduled not far apart....and now the much anticipated "tapering".....then later I guess they will news the amount of taper effect....then later the positive / negative sign of taper off and so on and on......I think they are there to "move" the markets.
so I guess there will NEVER be a "Best" time to enter
just like David83 said yesterday, "monitor for "dip" opportunities". whistling.gif

my current dilemma is to whether to enter for this 1%sc or wait for after the announcement of start of "tapering".....cos the start is actually good, it is only the possible negative reaction....and this reaction maybe even more than the 1%Sc. but the "hints' of tapering in 22 May may already taken some of that risk away.....what if there is no dip opportunity then....or worst may hv missed the boat too.... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif may well just hv to toss the coin before the end of this promotion then.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 9 2013, 09:33 AM)
For full US exposure, you may want to consider RHB-GS US Equity.

ABERDEEN ISLAMIC WORLD EQUITY FUND - CLASS A has 17.6% in US market.
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I just dun like RHB...dun know why though...maybe it is jus the name..hv to psyco my mind to focus on diversification instead of "likes" for a while
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 9 2013, 02:08 PM)
i am referring to the property under construction purchased from developer.
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some of the concerns mentioned also applies to new project under construction, + possible interest rate hike + http://www.consumer.org.my/index.php/devel...lawless-country

what I am saying is should not leave any investment unattended for 2 years,...because it is your money. nod.gif

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 9 2013, 02:56 PM)
......In average I would say, Mutual fund returns are not that attractive compared to my property portfolios.
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rclxms.gif hv to agree with you on this....just if the locations of the property is right....
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 9 2013, 03:01 PM)
Yes I know...
I have 13 years investment experience in Mutual fund and I compare both property and investment and I can concluded that Mutual fund long run can't make much, mutual fund companies make money first and historical proven they make more than the investors in long run.
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rclxms.gif yes,...again....an example is their annual operating cost are always there even when the fund are not making monies.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 9 2013, 03:06 PM)
The BOLD one I agree...u can start from small value property, say RM100K property, pay 10% and rent it out or etc.
Once u make, then increase the investment value of property to RM200K.
The beautiful of prop investment is leveraging, u just need to pay deposits and the bank will loan u the different...
LEVERAGE IS MY FAVORITE BEVERAGE.
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what is yr idea on residential property of let say higher than RM 400, 000? what is the rental yield? can it cover the loan repayment?
else the appreciation is the only chance of going up the higher value property....should one go up the value property or buy more unit of lower cost?

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QUOTE(repusez @ Aug 9 2013, 03:30 PM)
what did you guys do to your funds during the 2008 economy downturn ? Sell off your fund , average down or just hang in there? anyone think the next downturn is coming soon?
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hmm.gif I think it depends on the investor's
1) cycle of income (ranging from just start work or ending retirement)
2) staying power
3) how long had he been in the investment
4) experience on mkt fluctuation
5) risk profile of individuals
any many other personal triad

but I would suggest average down (priority on funds that focused on food cos people need food during recession though).....if cash is available....

hmm.gif when is the next downturn? sorry, have no crystal ball, but here is 1 interesting news, if you want to believe though: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economi...ding-plans.html

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Aug 9 2013, 03:35 PM)
Not to make things complicated here, since this thread is about FSM and about Mutual Funds investment, we shall not talk Property investment in details here. OK

What I felt is that if u want to monitor the stocks/ index movement every day, need to wake up in the midnight to monitor the down jones index, might as well u invest in stocks direct. Cheaper and have better control. YES, it is true
Just take the annual report of the Mutual fund and follow the fund allocation for each stocks will do. No cannot do...does not have so much money-leh
If u choose to invest in mutual funds, monitoring once a month will is making sense (if u are employed u get your pay cheque once a month anyway, thus can decide whether to top up or sell it with extra cash on hand each month), YES or monitor every quarterly is good enough. YES/NO, depends on the amount invested and other non tangible things

Mutual Fund investors don't have to be over-reacted to any announcements, news and etc. You have paid the annual fees to the fund manager to do so for you. YES, don't have to be over-reacted but for me I would have to monitor the duration of the effect of the news
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understand that the reasons and fundamentals for buying into that investment has not changed, then all that Is left to do is to be patient. It may not make for much excitement in the short term,.....
It is usually better to take at least a two to three year view because sometimes, a short term event may happen that could easily throw markets off track temporarily. The slightly longer term nature of unit trust investing also means that unlike stocks, you may not get the satisfaction of seeing your investment bear fruit immediately.....
Sometimes, investing is not just about the investments that made you money; it is also about avoiding the investments that would have lost you money as well......
add more during or after a market crash or correction as opposed to during a bull run...
the above are excerpts from the blog of Wong Sui Jau -- General Manager, Fundsupermart, S'pore
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20130729
for those interested can view his posted portfolio too

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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 9 2013, 06:50 PM)
If you know what you are doing and is prepared to put effort into any avenue of investment/trading, whether it be stocks, options, commodities, forex or anything you are knowledgeable in, there is a very good chance you will beat mutual funds.

Properties need time, effort, knowledge, timing, access to locality, good luck, and lots of patience. Especially patience. Plus dealing with difficult tenants. There aren't any above average investment that don't require effort, and is readily available to the general public, AFAIK.

If properties are more attractive, why put money in Public Mutual?. Not to mention PM returns are quite mediocre compared to other Fund managers.
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sorry howzat, I think maybe he started with PM then over the years got into property than realized that property has better ROI or maybe both at the same time more or less, I guess.

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MK Land Holdings Bhd will build more affordable housing next year to counter the potential recession, its chairman Tan Sri Mustapha Kamal Abu Bakar said. http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...icle/index_html

what do you see sifus? where/what asset to focus?
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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Aug 10 2013, 07:37 PM)
What is ur profit for other investment? 8% p.a. is quite good for UT investment.
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QUOTE(yap1992 @ Aug 11 2013, 09:46 PM)
Hi, newbie here. Just wanna ask what are the main characteristics of funds for core equity?
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The core portfolio is invested in broadly diversified regional funds such as those investing in Asia ex-Japan, Asia Pacific and global markets. These funds are held for long-term such as five-years or more.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...pl?articleNo=59
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found this forummer at FSM SG: NthDimensions posted this:
#Quote# I think more importantly, you have to ask yourself, what is your game plan?
1) how much losses before cut-loss?
2) will you ever cut loss? or just hold and wait?
3) how much % profit is your target?
4) what is your 6-months plan, 1-year plan, more than 1-year plan, if any?

and then, do you stick with your plan, or adjust it along the way if you see things not going your way, and how would you know things are really not going your way, or is it just a temporary hiccup, do you hold and wait?

it's really your game plan, according to your character, that determines the outcome.
what works for someone else, may not work for you. #unquote#

WOW, that really got me thinking.......
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Aug 12 2013, 01:31 AM)
Hi guys.

Just a question.

At the current economy situation, investing in UT locally or asia pacific is better?

Kindly provide opinions and preferable if there is any news link. smile.gif
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read and decide for yr self and also do consider yr investment time frame
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/artic...pdf_Summary.pdf
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...?articleNo=8506

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