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 Kajang/Semenyih VS Rawang Township, Landed - which better bet?

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post Mar 29 2014, 09:26 AM

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Sure Rawang .
Because more room for price up for long term compared Kajang .
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QUOTE(colourrubber @ Mar 29 2014, 09:26 AM)
Sure Rawang .
Because more room for price up for long term compared Kajang .
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I gotta disagree. Kajang / Semenyih definitely got more potential judging by the public transportation, amenities, shopping malls, multiple top notch developers.

I always believe the southern corridor will trump the north on a long term basis. But then, it's just my opinion.
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Works opportunity kajang better haha. Kl, putrajaya, bukit jalil IT hub, and even with mrt can go semantan, trx, pj areas also. More option than rawang. + MRT coming in with many strategic stops. + north cheras will become another vibrant working place with ekocheras, velocity, ikea... All can reach by mrt 1. Tak macam lrt mostly stop u at funny locations. Rawang cannot fight liao.

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QUOTE(colourrubber @ Mar 29 2014, 09:26 AM)
Sure Rawang .
Because more room for price up for long term compared Kajang .
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Huh? U really think that way? Seriously?
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What a long term debate about this thread.

Imho, both Semenyih/Kajang vs Rawang/Sg Buloh have their own potential, could be vary by timing.

But i believe we should add another cluster, KK/Canal City ( Bdr Rimbayu/Tropicana Aman / Eco Sanctuary - name to be confirm )

Then it would be more interesting
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post Mar 30 2014, 05:44 AM

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If investor put aside, let us talk about real own stayer for premium G&G developments with higher affordability, will usually means they will search for home that are close to their business/social circle such as parents friends/network, rather than buy a house, then find a job/start a new business /new life that are close to their new house. Hence, for people with social circle close to Cheras, Puchong, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya is better off staying in Kajang, whereas people with Social circle close to PJ, Damansara Perdana, Kota Damansara, RRIM, Northern KL like myself would prefer Rawang.

With the point above, I would say both Rawang and Kajang has its own potential and will not turn out to be the exact direct competitors in say, the next 10 years, it will be different as they started different, were developed different, and will end up different too, and hence will depends on one's own investment appetite, I will elaborate...

IMO, the Catalyst for Kajang started earlier than Rawang, I would personally take Jade hill as a starting catalyst for Kajang, and AEON anggun Rawang as a starting catalyst for Rawang.

Do you value more on what you see NOW, or do you value more on your belief in the FUTURE?
The catalyst for Kajang, IMO started earlier than Rawang, and hence there are naturally more developments to be seen NOW, as there are more Taiko developer that seen the catalyst like 5 years back and decided to developing Kajang. If any of the taiko developer just seen the catalyst now and wanted to start afresh in Kajang, it might not be that feasible to get sizable land at discount price anymore.

On the other hand, the catalyst for Rawang started later, if take the opening of AEON Rawang as referrence, it was 2 years 3 months ago, so in the last 1-2 years, more major taiko developer started buying lands and put Rawang in their drawing board, but many of those heavyweight developments are not launched yet. But I personally believe that Bandaraya Development, Tan & Tan, Gamuda township that are yet to launch with land side by side, with the AEON area will lead Rawang into a good future.

Kajang started earlier and the trend during that time is more on non G&G/fence and guarded, and some developments are indeed blue G&G. Rawang started later, and due to the deteriorating security concern in our country, most of the township are more towards G&G developments. Rawang will be the most concentrated and largest G&G area in Greater KL built by assortment of taiko developers when you fast forward 5 years, just like mont kiara has high concentration of high end high rise residential, and for landed, I believe G&G is the way to go for the future...

MRT+KTM Kajang vs KTM Rawang
This is one downside for Rawang for now, as there is indeed no MRT station yet. To be fair, when the feasibility studies for MRT is done like 5-6 years back, Rawang is still very much under the radar to consider for a MRT station. But, when more developments completed and population increased, it does not means that MRT will not be linked to Rawang in the future. Adequate Bus/BRT might also link Rawang to Sungai Buloh MRT Interchange since it is a major interchange station for KTM+MRT1+MRT2. MRT is targeting to increase the use of public transportation in greater KL from 12% in 2009 to 40% in 2020, and if that is real, they will need to select a good operator, whom has experience in linking other public transportation seamlessly.

Having said that, that is if we die-die must use public transportation. I personally, does not believe residents staying in higher end enclave will use the public transportation, except their children perhaps who are still studying or without transportation yet, for example, I wouldn't envision elite parents staying in premium enclave using MRT much, they might use it once in a while, but definitely not often, they just doesn't fit into the 40%, they are like the top 1-5% of the 60% who doesn't use the public transport. After all, isn't it nice to drive around in a nice car, when 40% of the car were put OFF road?

Is the Premium for Kajang Worth it? or is the discount for Rawang good enough?
For example, in stock market, blue chip is no doubt proven and hence priced at a premium, but the question is, are the premium price for that particular stock undervalue/overvalue? or is the discount given on the upcoming potential blue chip undervalue/overvalue?

If I am a buyer now, and would like to get a decent G&G, if the price for a G&G LinkHouse/Semi-D in Jade hill and Anggun are the exact same, as an investor, it might made more sense to choose Jade Hill, But, the reality is the entry price are not the same for comparable units. For example, Anggun 3 recently launched G&G DSL are going for about 700k before they were sold out, whereas comparable link house in Jade Hills are about 900k. Semi-ds in Anggun 3 1.3m, Semi-ds in Jade hill with comparable size about 1.7m.

So it is quite hard to say which is better, IMO, this is never an apple to apple comparison, I think it will all depends on individual, and investment horizon thumbup.gif




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QUOTE(Chris Chew @ Mar 29 2014, 08:15 PM)
What a long term debate about this thread.

Imho, both Semenyih/Kajang vs Rawang/Sg Buloh have their own potential, could be vary by timing.

But i believe we should add another cluster, KK/Canal City ( Bdr Rimbayu/Tropicana Aman / Eco Sanctuary - name to be confirm )

Then it would be more interesting
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Ya I summarize it myself as

NORTHERN CORRIDOR (Rawang) - Closer to KL Centre
SOUTHERN CORRIDOR (Semenyih) - Closer to Kajang (Future MRT Hub) and KLIA
WESTERN CORRIDOR (Canal City) - Closer to future WCE

In my opinion, if you study the map properly, the location for Kajang and Sf Buloh shdn't be included in the above categories, both has a clear advantage in terms of accessibility, my personal take for the above are (in terms of future potential) :-

1. Sg Buloh
2. Kajang
3. Canal City
4. Rawang
5. Semenyih


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post Mar 30 2014, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(smooth9 @ Mar 30 2014, 05:44 AM)
If investor put aside, let us talk about real own stayer for premium G&G developments with higher affordability, will usually means they will search for home that are close to their business/social circle such as parents friends/network, rather than buy a house, then find a job/start a new business /new life that are close to their new house. Hence, for people with social circle close to Cheras, Puchong, Putrajaya, Cyberjaya is better off staying in Kajang, whereas people with Social circle close to PJ, Damansara Perdana, Kota Damansara, RRIM, Northern KL like myself would prefer Rawang.

With the point above, I would say both Rawang and Kajang has its own potential and will not turn out to be the exact direct competitors in say, the next 10 years, it will be different as they started different, were developed different, and will end up different too, and hence will depends on one's own investment appetite, I will elaborate...

IMO, the Catalyst for Kajang started earlier than Rawang, I would personally take Jade hill as a starting catalyst for Kajang, and AEON anggun Rawang as a starting catalyst for Rawang.

Do you value more on what you see NOW, or do you value more on your belief in the FUTURE?
The catalyst for Kajang, IMO started earlier than Rawang, and hence there are naturally more developments to be seen NOW, as there are more Taiko developer that seen the catalyst like 5 years back and decided to developing Kajang. If any of the taiko developer just seen the catalyst now and wanted to start afresh in Kajang, it might not be that feasible to get sizable land at discount price anymore.

On the other hand, the catalyst for Rawang started later, if take the opening of AEON Rawang as referrence, it was 2 years 3 months ago, so in the last 1-2 years, more major taiko developer started buying lands and put Rawang in their drawing board, but many of those heavyweight developments are not launched yet. But I personally believe that Bandaraya Development, Tan & Tan, Gamuda township that are yet to launch with land side by side, with the AEON area will lead Rawang into a good future.

Kajang started earlier and the trend during that time is more on non G&G/fence and guarded, and some developments are indeed blue G&G. Rawang started later, and due to the deteriorating security concern in our country, most of the township are more towards G&G developments. Rawang will be the most concentrated and largest G&G area in Greater KL built by assortment of taiko developers when you fast forward 5 years, just like mont kiara has high concentration of high end high rise residential, and for landed, I believe G&G is the way to go for the future...

MRT+KTM Kajang vs KTM Rawang
This is one downside for Rawang for now, as there is indeed no MRT station yet. To be fair, when the feasibility studies for MRT is done like 5-6 years back, Rawang is still very much under the radar to consider for a MRT station. But, when more developments completed and population increased, it does not means that MRT will not be linked to Rawang in the future. Adequate Bus/BRT might also link Rawang to Sungai Buloh MRT Interchange since it is a major interchange station for KTM+MRT1+MRT2. MRT is targeting to increase the use of public transportation in greater KL from 12% in 2009 to 40% in 2020, and if that is real, they will need to select a good operator, whom has experience in linking other public transportation seamlessly.

Having said that, that is if we die-die must use public transportation. I personally, does not believe residents staying in higher end enclave will use the public transportation, except their children perhaps who are still studying or without transportation yet, for example, I wouldn't envision elite parents staying in premium enclave using MRT much, they might use it once in a while, but definitely not often, they just doesn't fit into the 40%, they are like the top 1-5% of the 60% who doesn't use the public transport. After all, isn't it nice to drive around in a nice car, when 40% of the car were put OFF road?

Is the Premium for Kajang Worth it? or is the discount for Rawang good enough?
For example, in stock market, blue chip is no doubt proven and hence priced at a premium, but the question is, are the premium price for that particular stock undervalue/overvalue? or is the discount given on the upcoming potential blue chip undervalue/overvalue?

If I am a buyer now, and would like to get a decent G&G, if the price for a G&G LinkHouse/Semi-D in Jade hill and Anggun are the exact same, as an investor, it might made more sense to choose Jade Hill, But, the reality is the entry price are not the same for comparable units. For example, Anggun 3 recently launched G&G DSL are going for about 700k before they were sold out, whereas comparable link house in Jade Hills are about 900k. Semi-ds in Anggun 3 1.3m, Semi-ds in Jade hill with comparable size about 1.7m.

So it is quite hard to say which is better, IMO, this is never an apple to apple comparison, I think it will all depends on individual, and investment horizon thumbup.gif
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that is the same thing i tell these ppl, after buying like a 3 quarter of a million prop especially semenyih and kajang, will tou opt to take public transporter even if it is a MRT.. where got logic, you try drop the same in tropicana kajang..

btw Rawang still have his friendly and tainted left over project call Bukit beruntung which is highly populated by Banglas.. how to come up..

try G&g like twinpalms(superlinks, bunglows and semi D), mahkota cheras areas like east park 72 (semi-d), siera & westiara by lum chang (link houses and bunglows), Tan Ming Berhad bunglows 3 storey 1.88 million, palm walk 3, desa budiman, sunstone villa, laville cheras selatan (bunglows), equine park, and etc... better for money value..

they have overrated the MRT.. in actual fact properties nearby in kl which is nearer to LRT or purta LRT never flown to the price desired by investors.. the market is fuel with speculations especially MRT which have been abused.. every donkey claiming MRT price shoots up, in actual fact, speculators own pricing bagging 200k or 300 k from the property..
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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Mar 30 2014, 10:34 AM)
Ya I summarize it myself as

NORTHERN CORRIDOR (Rawang) - Closer to KL Centre
SOUTHERN CORRIDOR (Semenyih) - Closer to Kajang (Future MRT Hub) and KLIA
WESTERN CORRIDOR (Canal City) - Closer to future WCE

In my opinion, if you study the map properly, the location for Kajang and Sf Buloh shdn't be included in the above categories, both has a clear advantage in terms of accessibility, my personal take for the above are (in terms of future potential) :-

1. Sg Buloh
2. Kajang
3. Canal City
4. Rawang
5. Semenyih
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How about Cyberjaya/ Putrajaya?
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QUOTE(tmdsad @ Mar 30 2014, 12:08 PM)
How about Cyberjaya/ Putrajaya?
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Only can consider Cyberjaya.
Highrise in CBY, how much rooms for appreciation?
Compared to other new development areas as mentioned, the supply of condos is relatively higher, a lot higher, I dun like. Own stay wise is much better than Semenyih and Rawang that I reckon to buy.

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Mar 30 2014, 10:47 AM)
that is the same thing i tell these ppl, after buying like a 3 quarter of a million prop especially semenyih and kajang, will tou opt to take public transporter even if it is a MRT.. where got logic, you try drop the same in tropicana kajang..

btw Rawang still have his friendly and tainted left over project call Bukit beruntung which is highly populated by Banglas.. how to come up..

try G&g like twinpalms(superlinks, bunglows and semi D), mahkota cheras areas like east park 72 (semi-d), siera & westiara by lum chang (link houses and bunglows), Tan Ming Berhad bunglows 3 storey 1.88 million, palm walk 3, desa budiman, sunstone villa, laville cheras selatan (bunglows), equine park, and etc... better for money value..

they have overrated the MRT.. in actual fact properties nearby in kl which is nearer to LRT or purta LRT never flown to the price desired by investors.. the market is fuel with speculations especially MRT which have been abused.. every donkey claiming MRT price shoots up, in actual fact, speculators own pricing bagging 200k or 300 k from the property..
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Ok boss. Then v discuss rawang???

Wat bout bdr tasik puteri???
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QUOTE(LCL01 @ Mar 30 2014, 02:31 PM)
No need to bullshit too much. tropicana heights is almost fully sold, no point to comment here n there if u r not capable to become one of the owners. Just wait 2 more years n the fact will keep ur crappy mouth to zip entirely. smile.gif
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Oh buyers of tropicana... surely goreng 1 million after vp.. too bad malay majority areas.. price cant shoot up like shah alam..

So for the time being overatted... sumore high tension cable.. many more project cheaper than that.. and more G&G..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Mar 30 2014, 10:47 AM)
that is the same thing i tell these ppl, after buying like a 3 quarter of a million prop especially semenyih and kajang, will tou opt to take public transporter even if it is a MRT.. where got logic, you try drop the same in tropicana kajang..

btw Rawang still have his friendly and tainted left over project call Bukit beruntung which is highly populated by Banglas.. how to come up..

try G&g like twinpalms(superlinks, bunglows and semi D), mahkota cheras areas like east park 72 (semi-d), siera & westiara by lum chang (link houses and bunglows), Tan Ming Berhad bunglows 3 storey 1.88 million, palm walk 3, desa budiman, sunstone villa, laville cheras selatan (bunglows), equine park, and etc... better for money value..

they have overrated the MRT.. in actual fact properties nearby in kl which is nearer to LRT or purta LRT never flown to the price desired by investors.. the market is fuel with speculations especially MRT which have been abused.. every donkey claiming MRT price shoots up, in actual fact, speculators own pricing bagging 200k or 300 k from the property..
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Whether overrated or not, time will tell
MRT areas are good

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Mar 30 2014, 04:44 PM)
Oh buyers of tropicana... surely goreng 1 million after vp.. too bad malay majority areas.. price cant shoot up like shah alam..

So for the time being overatted... sumore high tension cable.. many more project cheaper than that.. and more G&G..
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U say ok one wor.. wan me to quote back ur words?
Malaysia is a Malay dominant country, u got a problem with tat, y r u so racist..

Are kemuning, setia alam, eco park, alam impian Dead places?..

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Mar 30 2014, 05:02 PM)
U say ok one wor.. wan me to quote back ur words?
Malaysia is a Malay dominant country, so why r you here, y r u so racist..
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wow, please remove the remarks being racist... it just economy point, as you can see in real life, price does shoot up a way higher in non-malay areas..

just on economic point... i know elites are alot among malays.. they stay shah alam, bangsar, mont kiara areas..

you ask yourself, izzit true of what i am saying?

well if you can see carefully these areas, the ones you edited, s\especially setia alam.. how was the occupancy rates despite setia alam mall and office block under con? sure depressing.. 800k for a DSL? investors factor another 400k into the said price upon VP..

and further to that, no to insult anyone, prices so high are more often than not purchased by on-malay.. agree? even in kota kemuning areas.. i know where are non chinese majority.. prices are crazy..

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Mar 30 2014, 04:45 PM)
Whether overrated or not, time will tell
MRT areas are good
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yup you are right, as of now, it is overpriced... btw BNM increasing interest rates already for car loans.. w.e.f soon.. housing loans hehe... holding cost naik di..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Mar 30 2014, 05:09 PM)
wow, please remove the remarks being racist... it just economy point, as you can see in real life, price does shoot up a way higher in non-malay areas..

just on economic point... i know elites are alot among malays.. they stay shah alam, bangsar, mont kiara areas..

you ask yourself, izzit true of what i am saying?
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So u r contradicting ur self now.. every race has elites n non elites..
So kumuning setia alam n alam impian are sure doom n dead places?
Racist bear..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Mar 30 2014, 05:11 PM)
yup you are right, as of now, it is overpriced... btw BNM increasing interest rates already for car loans.. w.e.f soon.. housing loans hehe... holding cost naik di..
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So got MRT good or no good even for premium area? Now u say "you are right" tsk tsk tsk

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Mar 30 2014, 05:15 PM)
So u r contradicting ur self now.. every race has elites n non elites..
So kumuning setia alam n alam impian are sure doom n dead places?
Racist bear..
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hello please remove racist remarks, it wont sked me at all.. in economic point it is a given fact in Malaysia that prices are being sold off like that..

i am repeating, prices rarely shoots up in those areas..
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QUOTE(nookie188 @ Aug 2 2013, 09:38 PM)
of course rawang - many big developers like tan & tan will be launching in rawang so this place has good potential in years to come..

from rawang, easy access to KD for shopping, entertainment, etc..
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Agreed, I heard Gamuda Land as well has an upcoming development in Rawang. Any thought?

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