195/55R16 to 215/45R17
195/55R16 to 215/45R17
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Aug 2 2013, 02:12 AM, updated 13y ago
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Thinking of changing my mazda 3 1.6HB tires and rims, from stock 195/55R16 to 215/45R17. Just wondering if its advisable and what would I be losing out on / gaining? I think the gap between tire and fender is abit big, thus looks ugly. Will changing size as stated above help cosmetically? Hope you guys can help, don't know much about this stuff. Thanks!
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Aug 2 2013, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Aug 2 2013, 01:15 PM) better stick to 16 , just find nice pattern rims Is the increase in FC and decrease in comfort significant/noticeable tho? Tempted to whip on 17's to cover the gap between tire and wheel arch abit. It does help right? If the cons are pretty significant tho, I won't opt for the 17". Also tempted because theres a good looking set of rays 17" I'm interested in16 to 17 , wider tire , more traction on braking and cornering , stability on highspeed , down side , pay more $ , increase in FC , less comfort maybe u can try 16/55/205 or 215 with nice rims |
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Aug 2 2013, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(gahpadu @ Aug 2 2013, 02:55 PM) definately can notice the comfort Damn. Hard to decide in that case. Thanks for your feedback!even my last mazda 3 1.5 CBU comes with 15" and it just enough for 1.6 it up to you, why not u try any members of m3 who already upgrade to 17" then u gonna get better feel |
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Aug 2 2013, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 2 2013, 10:07 PM) If your aim is just to reduce fender gap then the right thing to do is get a sport lowering springs. If you change rims & tires from 195/55/16 to 215/45/17 then the fender gap will be only reduced by a measly 2mm, or practically not noticeable reduction! Because the difference in radius between the 2 sizes are just about 2mm. On top of that, since your tire is much thinner, it will actually look more ugly and odd since the fender gap will look larger compared to the thin tire. then of course you'd get much reduced comfort, and also FC (this depends on how heavy the 17 setup will be). Correct me if I'm wrong, the total diameter would be increased by about 15mm, if the mentioned changes were to take place. How much would sport lowering springs cost? Pricey?So my advice don't change to 17' but get a lowering springs, or if got more budget get adjustable coil over. |
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Aug 2 2013, 10:49 PM
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QUOTE(nestum @ Aug 2 2013, 10:20 PM) get 17" and 205/50/17 tire Hmm sounds like a plan. My tires now are conti mc5, which also come in 215/45R17. Do they also come in 205/50/17? I dont know much about this, hope its not a stupid question hahaoriginal m3 using this size as well , fender gap reduce , rim bigger 1inch , sidewall still can remain thick after rim change only decide lowered ornot |
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Aug 2 2013, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 2 2013, 11:01 PM) Well, you're wrong. Damn must've typed something wrong in my calculator just now hahaha thanks for the correction man. In that case, no doubt you're right, won't help with the gap. But if I get 215/50/17 instead? Diameter would be 2.6cm longer, which will definitely make quite a difference right? Again, correct me if I'm wrong hahaha. 195/55/16 diameter = (19.5 x 0.55 x 2) + (16 x 2.54) = 62.09cm 215/45/17 diameter = (21.5 x 0.45 x 2) + (17 x 2.54) = 62.53cm Difference in diameter = 0.44cm Difference in height/radius = 0.44/2 = 0.22cm = 2.2mm Or you can just compare here http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Tire-Size-C...55R16/215-45R17 Lowering springs will depend on the brand. If local one like GAB, can get for maybe rm400 or even less. If going for reputable brands like Tanabe, Tein, Eibach, then expect to pay rm1000-1200. Not sure about Taiwan brands though. Are the local lowering springs okay to use? I DEFINITELY cannot afford both rims and reputable branded springs. If so, any recommended place to purchase and install? Thanks again for your help! Appreciate it |
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Aug 3 2013, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE(nestum @ Aug 2 2013, 11:50 PM) For the size I mentioned, there was a negligible difference in total size of the tire, so fender gap wouldn't have been improved. If I were to change to a size where the gap would be smaller, then dont need to be lowered. Thanks for your input! If I decide to change to 17", I'll see how it looks first then decide on lowering |
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Aug 3 2013, 01:33 PM
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Guys, just found out from my dealer that lowering springs will void the suspension warranty. :/ such a bummer, as I'm really keen on shortening the wheel arch tire gap. Any way to get around it? If problems occur, can just reinstall the old springs and go claim warranty? Or if I send for servicing with lowering springs, they would know and warranty will be voided even if I change it back (before sending to them to claim warranty given my suspension is faulty)? Really hope I could get your insight
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Aug 3 2013, 04:23 PM
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Aug 3 2013, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 3 2013, 03:42 PM) When changing rims & tires actually should always try to maintain the same overall diameter with variations less than 3% compared to std setup. Changing to 215/50/17 will increase diameter by >4% so this is not recommended since it will make your car noticeably slower and braking also longer. So changing rims should not have any significant effect on fender gaps. Therefore if want to reduce fender gaps the only proper way is by lowering the car, and that has to be done first before choosing rims & tires to make sure that the rims & tires you choose would be perfectly fit with the lowered ride height. So far haven't seen any horror stories about GAB, so I think I'll settle for it if I do lower my car. What lowering springs have you used? And how much did you pay for them? do you know of a good cheap place to buy and install? Lastly, if I use the lowering springs and SC see it when I send for service, would they note it and thus void my warranty even if I do change back to ori springs upon claiming warranty? Possible to just change back, god forbid anything goes wrong?I don't know about local brands quality, never used before. But GAB seems quite popular. Yes, it can void your warranty with regard to suspension parts. Thanks for your feedback, really helps alot. |
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Aug 3 2013, 05:57 PM
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Oh no. My SA told me they have markings on the bolts and nuts, so they'll know if I've taken it out before. Guess lowering is not an option anymore :/ just the rim change then HAIH
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Aug 3 2013, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 3 2013, 08:54 PM) Yes, many bolts already have markings from the factory so it would be obvious if already opened. Then just don't do anything, not even change rims as it won't reduce your fender gaps and it would make it look weird IMHO (due to still big fender gaps but will then coupled with thin tires). FYI, even if you only change rims, the SC can also make it as an excuse to void your warranty since the rims are not as per std spec. They can say that your rims are heavy, not the correct offset, too big/wide, etc hence makes the suspension works harder (which is true to a certain extent). I was planning to change rims anyway. I think my standard ones are really ugly. Already checked, 1 inch increase no problem. Extremely out of topic but if I change air filter and keep my stock one, they won't know if I send it to them with the stock one right?Heres a pic of my car. Wondering which rims everyone would choose between these two. Thanks Attached thumbnail(s) |
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Aug 4 2013, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 3 2013, 10:54 PM) Air filter they won't be able to detect. I've also changed with after market ones, and every time I come for service I put the original back. But in time I think they would suspect why the ori filter never gets dirty! Out of curiosity, what car do you drive? I've seen great feedback on the k&n air filter on the forums, but I stumbled upon a video ytd showing there's no dif in the run with the k&n and stock filter hahahAs for the choice of rims, I'd pick which ever is the lightest one, so bring a weight scale when you choose your rims! That's what I normally do. Would these taiwanese rims usually be light or heavy tho? Would they be lighter than my current alloys? Hahaha will contemplate bringing a weighing scale This post has been edited by changeplate: Aug 4 2013, 01:06 PM |
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Aug 4 2013, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 4 2013, 08:09 PM) I'm currently driving Toyota Mark X 250G. Oh. The way I saw some ppl talk about it really made me think it'll help. Guess I'll stick to my stock filter, since there's warranty. The two rims I posted, I dunno what kind of weird brands those are. The nicest ones in my opinion in hin leongs shop. Rm1200, after trade in rm800. Is Rays good? I'll be getting a set if I do decide on the upgrade to 17", unlikely tho.Don't get your hopes up on air filter, there'll be no noticeable difference! I only change just to save money cuz don't need to change anymore, just keep cleaning it. If got any small gain it's just a bonus for me (but unfortunately no). Currently many TW rims are already very good quality and pretty light too. Std alloy rims are heavy so finding lighter ones than the std is very easy these days! I suggest check out Advanti as it's using using technology from Enkei so it's good. Another decent one is Lenso, also got good designs and relatively light. |
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Aug 5 2013, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 4 2013, 11:36 PM) Rays is one of the best & expensive rims but I'm talking about the original Rays, not those replicas. You mentioned advanti as well, aren't those pretty expensive as well? I've seen a few, but I assume they're replicas.? Ahah yeah replica Rays, damn stylish tho. Mind me asking, are there any other ways to lower the car? |
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Aug 6 2013, 01:03 AM
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 5 2013, 10:05 PM) Advanti is cheap, also made in Taiwan. Do you know where to find a decent variety of Advantis? Went to ah kit and hin leong, dont remember really seeing them. Even at lim tayar I don't recall seeing. :/ on the website it says ranges from 17" to 22"? If so have to upgrade size. Thanks for helping out yeah! No other way if you're talking the proper way! Either change to sport lowering springs (which is the cheapest way), or adjustable coil over or air suspension. The other cheaper 'ways' or 'tricks' like cutting/hot pressing/modifying original springs or using springs meant for other cars are the wrong way! |
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Aug 6 2013, 02:22 AM
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Aug 6 2013, 10:41 AM
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Ya'll know of Evo rs rims? Good? Or better to fork out extra 400-500 for advanti?
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Aug 6 2013, 03:50 PM
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Lim tayar had a set of 17" rays I liked, first offer rm1850, I called they said original. Is it ori or replica?
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Aug 6 2013, 05:19 PM
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