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post Aug 2 2013, 10:07 PM

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If your aim is just to reduce fender gap then the right thing to do is get a sport lowering springs. If you change rims & tires from 195/55/16 to 215/45/17 then the fender gap will be only reduced by a measly 2mm, or practically not noticeable reduction! Because the difference in radius between the 2 sizes are just about 2mm. On top of that, since your tire is much thinner, it will actually look more ugly and odd since the fender gap will look larger compared to the thin tire. then of course you'd get much reduced comfort, and also FC (this depends on how heavy the 17 setup will be).

So my advice don't change to 17' but get a lowering springs, or if got more budget get adjustable coil over.
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post Aug 2 2013, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(changeplate @ Aug 2 2013, 10:46 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, the total diameter would be increased by about 15mm, if the mentioned changes were to take place. How much would sport lowering springs cost? Pricey?
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Well, you're wrong. smile.gif
195/55/16 diameter = (19.5 x 0.55 x 2) + (16 x 2.54) = 62.09cm
215/45/17 diameter = (21.5 x 0.45 x 2) + (17 x 2.54) = 62.53cm
Difference in diameter = 0.44cm
Difference in height/radius = 0.44/2 = 0.22cm = 2.2mm

Or you can just compare here smile.gif
http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Tire-Size-C...55R16/215-45R17


Lowering springs will depend on the brand. If local one like GAB, can get for maybe rm400 or even less.
If going for reputable brands like Tanabe, Tein, Eibach, then expect to pay rm1000-1200.
Not sure about Taiwan brands though.
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post Aug 2 2013, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(nestum @ Aug 2 2013, 10:20 PM)
get 17" and 205/50/17 tire
original m3 using this size as well , fender gap reduce , rim bigger 1inch , sidewall still can remain thick

after rim change only decide lowered ornot
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Well most people make the same mistake. Should lower first before changing rims! Unless you decide to go for adjustable coil over.
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post Aug 3 2013, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(changeplate @ Aug 2 2013, 11:23 PM)
Damn must've typed something wrong in my calculator just now hahaha thanks for the correction man. In that case, no doubt you're right, won't help with the gap. But if I get 215/50/17 instead? Diameter would be 2.6cm longer, which will definitely make quite a difference right? Again, correct me if I'm wrong hahaha.

Are the local lowering springs okay to use? I DEFINITELY cannot afford both rims and reputable branded springs. If so, any recommended place to purchase and install? Thanks again for your help! Appreciate it
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QUOTE(nestum @ Aug 2 2013, 11:50 PM)
for TS case , after rim change if the fender gap are acceptable then y still need lowered?
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When changing rims & tires actually should always try to maintain the same overall diameter with variations less than 3% compared to std setup. Changing to 215/50/17 will increase diameter by >4% so this is not recommended since it will make your car noticeably slower and braking also longer. So changing rims should not have any significant effect on fender gaps. Therefore if want to reduce fender gaps the only proper way is by lowering the car, and that has to be done first before choosing rims & tires to make sure that the rims & tires you choose would be perfectly fit with the lowered ride height.

I don't know about local brands quality, never used before. But GAB seems quite popular.

QUOTE(changeplate @ Aug 3 2013, 01:33 PM)
Guys, just found out from my dealer that lowering springs will void the suspension warranty. :/ such a bummer, as I'm really keen on shortening the wheel arch tire gap. Any way to get around it? If problems occur, can just reinstall the old springs and go claim warranty? Or if I send for servicing with lowering springs, they would know and warranty will be voided even if I change it back (before sending to them to claim warranty given my suspension is faulty)? Really hope I could get your insight
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Yes, it can void your warranty with regard to suspension parts.

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Aug 3 2013, 03:43 PM
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post Aug 3 2013, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(changeplate @ Aug 3 2013, 05:57 PM)
Oh no. My SA told me they have markings on the bolts and nuts, so they'll know if I've taken it out before. Guess lowering is not an option anymore :/ just the rim change then HAIH sad.gif
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Yes, many bolts already have markings from the factory so it would be obvious if already opened. Then just don't do anything, not even change rims as it won't reduce your fender gaps and it would make it look weird IMHO (due to still big fender gaps but will then coupled with thin tires). FYI, even if you only change rims, the SC can also make it as an excuse to void your warranty since the rims are not as per std spec. They can say that your rims are heavy, not the correct offset, too big/wide, etc hence makes the suspension works harder (which is true to a certain extent). smile.gif
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post Aug 3 2013, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(changeplate @ Aug 3 2013, 09:49 PM)
I was planning to change rims anyway. I think my standard ones are really ugly. Already checked, 1 inch increase no problem. Extremely out of topic but if I change air filter and keep my stock one, they won't know if I send it to them with the stock one right?

Heres a pic of my car. Wondering which rims everyone would choose between these two. Thanks smile.gif
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Air filter they won't be able to detect. I've also changed with after market ones, and every time I come for service I put the original back. But in time I think they would suspect why the ori filter never gets dirty! biggrin.gif

As for the choice of rims, I'd pick which ever is the lightest one, so bring a weight scale when you choose your rims! That's what I normally do. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 4 2013, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(changeplate @ Aug 4 2013, 01:05 PM)
Out of curiosity, what car do you drive? I've seen great feedback on the k&n air filter on the forums, but I stumbled upon a video ytd showing there's no dif in the run with the k&n and stock filter hahah
Would these taiwanese rims usually be light or heavy tho? Would they be lighter than my current alloys? Hahaha will contemplate bringing a weighing scale
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I'm currently driving Toyota Mark X 250G.

Don't get your hopes up on air filter, there'll be no noticeable difference! I only change just to save money cuz don't need to change anymore, just keep cleaning it. If got any small gain it's just a bonus for me (but unfortunately no).

Currently many TW rims are already very good quality and pretty light too. Std alloy rims are heavy so finding lighter ones than the std is very easy these days! I suggest check out Advanti as it's using using technology from Enkei so it's good. Another decent one is Lenso, also got good designs and relatively light.
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post Aug 4 2013, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(changeplate @ Aug 4 2013, 09:32 PM)
Oh. The way I saw some ppl talk about it really made me think it'll help. Guess I'll stick to my stock filter, since there's warranty. The two rims I posted, I dunno what kind of weird brands those are. The nicest ones in my opinion in hin leongs shop. Rm1200, after trade in rm800. Is Rays good? I'll be getting a set if I do decide on the upgrade to 17", unlikely tho.
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Rays is one of the best & expensive rims but I'm talking about the original Rays, not those replicas. smile.gif I don't know how good those replicas are, maybe sufficient for normal daily use.
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post Aug 5 2013, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(changeplate @ Aug 5 2013, 12:07 AM)
You mentioned advanti as well, aren't those pretty expensive as well? I've seen a few, but I assume they're replicas.? Ahah yeah replica Rays, damn stylish tho.
Mind me asking, are there any other ways to lower the car?
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Advanti is cheap, also made in Taiwan.

No other way if you're talking the proper way! Either change to sport lowering springs (which is the cheapest way), or adjustable coil over or air suspension. The other cheaper 'ways' or 'tricks' like cutting/hot pressing/modifying original springs or using springs meant for other cars are the wrong way!

 

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