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post Aug 29 2013, 08:05 AM

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Seen this photo from a broker's FB


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A RM-denominated futures contract finally

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post Aug 30 2013, 10:38 AM

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Bursa Malaysia Derivative Berhad (BMD) Gold Futures
Pending regulatory approval, Bursa Malaysia Derivative Berhad (BMD) will list Gold futures (tag1151-SecurityGroup=FGLD, tag 55-Symbol=BG) for trading on CME Globex in Q3 2013. The production launch date will be announced in the CME Globex Notices as soon as it is available.

These futures are currently available for customer testing in New Release.

http://www.cmegroup.com/tools-information/...130729.html#BMD


A local currency gold futures coming very soon
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post Sep 20 2013, 10:41 AM

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Finally its coming, first legitimate Gold Futures to be launched by Bursa Malaysia Derivatives on 7th October rclxms.gif

http://www.cmegroup.com/tools-information/...130916.html#BMD

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Bursa Malaysia Derivative Berhad (BMD) Gold Futures
Effective Sunday, October 6 (trade date Monday, October 7), having received approval from the Securities Commission (SC), Bursa Malaysia Derivative Berhad (BMD) will list Gold futures (tag1151-SecurityGroup=FGLD, tag 55-Symbol=BG) for trading on CME Globex.

These BMD Gold futures will support implied functionality.

These futures are currently available for customer testing in New Release.

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post Sep 20 2013, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Ananais @ Sep 20 2013, 02:59 PM)
is bursa Malaysia coming out with Gold Future ETF?
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not ETF...it's an exchange traded futures contract
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post Sep 20 2013, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Ananais @ Sep 20 2013, 03:05 PM)
What do you mean by exchange traded futures contract?
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exchanged traded means it is listed on the Bursa Malaysia, similar to the stocks market
difference is you can open short position and all your trades are guaranteed
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post Sep 20 2013, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ananais @ Sep 20 2013, 03:27 PM)
Thank you for the kind explanation. I'm investing in gold now using the maybank gold investment account. I think, it is not worthy as the bank earned a lot from it.
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yes thats the disadvantage investing through a bank as the spread can be quite wide..the good thing is you will be able to hold it for longer term as opposed to futures contract

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post Sep 20 2013, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ananais @ Sep 20 2013, 03:40 PM)
I see.. So are you a full time Gold trader?
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not full time..just some small fry tongue.gif

QUOTE(Ananais @ Sep 20 2013, 03:55 PM)
When the Derivatives Gold Exchange Traded Future is out. Do I need to have a Central Depository System account to trade?
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you dont need a CDS account, but just a trading account with the brokers
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post Sep 22 2013, 02:11 PM

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Contract specification for the Bursa Malaysia Gold Futures

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/deriva...d-futures-fgld/

FAQ on the Gold Futures

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/deriva...-contract-fgld/
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post Sep 26 2013, 09:46 AM

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Gold futures trading to be available locally on Bursa Malaysia

Malaysians will be able to trade locally in gold futures contracts soon, after Bursa Malaysia received the necessary regulatory approval it required from the Securities Commission. This financial instrument will be available from Oct 7, 2013.

According to Bursa, the gold futures contracts (FGLD) to be offered are small sized contracts which will be traded in RM on the Bursa Malaysia Derivatives board, allowing local players a chance a exposure to the international gold price movements at lower transaction costs.

Brokers have anticipated that this soon to be introduced financial instrument will be a popular product among the Malaysian investing and trading public, with a broker at Hong Leong Investment saying that as the contracts are small in size, it will attract a wide range of the investing public who will be eager to gain exposure to gold futures trading which is picking up around the world. He added that with the contracts being traded in RM, participants will be less exposed or vulnerable to foreign currency fluctuations.

Each contract offered will be equivalent to 100 grams of gold bullion, which Bursa says makes it versatile and attractive to both the smaller retail player, and the industrial user who can trade in multiple lots if they want larger exposure. All contracts will be cash-settled, meaning that there will be no physical delivery of gold, with all contracts upon expiry being settled in cash, calculated using the London AM Fix price.

A broker with HDM Futures said that she believes that the product will be popular with retail investors and speculators. She added that having a local counter to trade in, allowed Malaysian investors to monitor gold prices throughout the day, where before they only could check twice a day; the broker said that this allowed investors to monitor their positions better during the trading day.

Gold futuresNonetheless she cautioned that investors should remember that international gold prices continue to be affected throughout the night, and is highly susceptible to both political and economic factors, especially during the trading day overseas.

This is also underlined by Bursa in its frequently asked questions about gold futures trading, in which it states that “the international gold price can move anywhere between US$10 per troy ounce to US$80 per troy ounce, within a single day...the ability to leverage magnifies the effect of a price change and may result in significant losses if the market moves against your FGLD positions.” Adding that, if this happens, “margin top-ups may also be required failing which your position could be liquidated.”

When referring to margin top-ups, the bourse is referencing the fact that unlike purchasing assets, wherein the full price is payable during purchase, for FGLD contracts, investors only need to pay a percentage of the total value of the contract, called an initial margin which is usually 5%-10% depending on the international gold price.

According to Bursa Malaysia, this allows greater exposure to gold at a fraction of the total value. However, this leverage will also be felt more strongly should there be a sharp fluctuation in gold prices.

As such said the HDM Futures broker, she hope the bourse will launch an education campaign to make investors both aware of the availability of the product, as well as of the risks attached to it, saying that she felt it was important for investors to have a comprehensive knowledge on how to trade in gold commodities.

Her point was reiterated by a broker with Inter-Pacific Securities, who said that while the product was attractive and fairly low risk, it was still important that investors understand that trading in commodities is a very different game from trading in equities. The broker added that investors must know when to cut their losses, minimise their risk and monitor the market; in order to ensure that they are able to service their positions and make gains in gold futures trading.

http://www.kinibiz.com/print/51109
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post Oct 2 2013, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(XtraLeoGecko @ Sep 30 2013, 08:59 PM)
Hi all sifus,
Anyone plan to trade in the soon available bursa derivatives of gold futures?

Appreciate if you can share the +ve / -ve of such an investment tool... Thx in advance..
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attend the FOC seminar wink.gif

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/events...utures-seminars
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post Oct 3 2013, 01:00 PM

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Malaysia to Start Gold Futures Trade as Investor Demand Expands

Malaysia’s first gold futures contract will start trading on Oct. 7 to meet investor demand, according to the head of the country’s derivatives exchange.

Gold prices will continue to be volatile and the 100-gram, ringgit-denominated contract will allow investors to trade without worrying about currency fluctuations, Chong Kim Seng, chief executive officer of Bursa Malaysia Derivatives Bhd., said in an interview. Bullion for delivery up to one year will be cash settled and benchmarked against the London fixing, he said.
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Gold slumped into a bear market this year after 12 annual gains, spurring increased demand from buyers in Asia including China, Thailand and Indonesia. Malaysia imported 9 billion ringgit ($2.8 billion) of gold in 2012, mainly for processing into jewelry, and exported about 7 billion ringgit of gold jewelry, said Chong. Gold imports totaled 6 billion ringgit in the first half, signaling increased physical demand, he said.

“The small contract size means retail customers, big or small, can be involved and traders who want to do hedging can just do multiples,” said Chong. “The issues that’s facing the U.S., the government shutdown and the tapering policy, have an impact on the U.S. dollar and interest rates, so it’s important that people consider gold as part of their portfolio.”

Gold for immediate delivery, which traded at $1,313.85 an ounce, has declined this year on speculation the U.S. Federal Reserve will taper stimulus as the largest economy strengthens while inflation fails to accelerate. Bullion rose 2.2 percent yesterday and fell 3.1 percent on Oct. 1 as the U.S. federal government’s first shutdown in 17 years began.
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Rising demand for gold in Asia helped offset record sales from bullion-backed exchange traded products. Holdings that increased every year since the first product was listed in 2003 have shrunk 705.7 tons this year, reaching a three-year low of 1,926.2 tons yesterday, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

Demand for gold in Malaysia may increase as investors seek to hedge against a depreciating currency. The ringgit is the worst performer in Southeast Asia this year, with a 4.5 percent loss, after Indonesia’s rupiah and the Philippine peso.

“There’s a lot of investing interest out there in the marketplace and a need for a more safe and trusted regulated platform,” said Chong. Bursa, part-owned by CME Group Inc. and a unit of Bursa Malaysia Bhd. (BURSA), may start gold options and silver futures contracts later on, he said today.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-03/m...nd-expands.html


malaysia contract is smaller size and lower margin - RM1k wink.gif
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post Oct 3 2013, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Oct 3 2013, 01:24 PM)
how much per point?
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every tick is RM0.05, meaning RM5 per movement
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post Oct 4 2013, 09:27 AM

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Gold, the new way to make money in Malaysia

“All that glitters is not gold” goes the well-known adage, but the glitter of gold never fails to attract. Some like to adorn themselves with it and some hoard it in the form of bullions in their vaults, while there are yet others who like to trade in gold futures.

Indians from India are said to be the biggest hoarders of gold, as about 20,000 tonnes are in private hands. India remains the biggest importer of gold from Malaysia.

Last year, Malaysia exported RM7.1bil worth of finished jewellery, with Dubai as the biggest buyer. And up to July this year, RM4.6bil worth of finished jewellery has been exported. The figure could double for the full year.

Where gold bullions are concerned, RM9bil was exported in non-monetary form last year, and this year, it could scale up to RM12bil. Gold bullions are used to make jewellery and also function as an investment tool.

For an investor who wants to diversify his portfolio from fixed deposits, stocks and bonds, gold is an option. It is seen as a safe haven in volatile situations.

Hence, it comes as no surprise that there are many investment trading schemes involving gold in the country. However, some have fallen foul of the authorities, as they are seen to be illegal deposit-taking companies.

One such case involves gold trading company Genneva Malaysia Sdn Bhd, whose directors have been slapped with a record number of 926 charges for money-laundering and illegal deposit-taking charges, among others. A total of RM5.5bil in deposits had been received by Genneva from 35,000 depositors. This gives us a glimpse of the demand for gold in the country.

This is why come Monday, gold futures will, for the first time, be traded on Bursa Malaysia. It is a historic moment for Bursa, but Malaysia is really a latecomer in gold futures trading. It should have been introduced a long time ago.

Gold futures and options are trading across several markets, including the United States, Britain, Singapore, Thailand, Taiwan and Hong Kong. Gold for immediate delivery was being traded at about US$1,313.85 (RM4,198.41) an ounce as of yesterday.

To get retail investors interested in gold futures, Bursa is offering small-sized contracts of 100 grams. However, traders who want to hedge can trade in multiple lots. One just needs RM1,000 to be able to start trading in gold futures.

As the ringgit-denominated contracts are cash-settled, there would be no physical deliveries. So, if you are worried about stocking up gold bars in your vault, diffuse that fear, as this is all about paper-shuffling.

The gold futures contracts allow market participants exposure to international gold price movements at a lower entry cost, and you can go short and long when prices go up and down. To get started, open a gold futures account with any one of the 19 registered futures brokers with Bursa. Brokers would want some form of collateral as in all derivatives and stocks, and there is a transaction cost for every transaction. The minimum price fluctuation for a gold futures contract is five sen per gram or RM5 per tick.

While this may be one way of diversifying your investment portfolio, the key to futures trading is your investment objective and risk appetite – essentially money-management skills. What this means is that you have to set limits for your gains and losses, stick to it and not let greed overcome you.

A futures broker with 17 years of experience says that “futures trading is easy to play, but it requires a strong discipline in money management”. Rule No. 1, he says, is money-management skills, while Rule No. 2 is to remember Rule No 1. If you do this, you can make money.

Gold has remained the hottest topic since the 1900s and its glitter has not faded. Bursa’s launch of its gold futures is the first step towards trading in precious metals, as it continues to add depth to the market. Next on the list would be gold options and silver futures, but whatever it does, it has to move faster.

Business editor (news) B K Sidhu says gold may be hot, but her nasi kandar today will be hotter.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...n-Malaysia.aspx


all eyes on Monday now biggrin.gif
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post Oct 4 2013, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 4 2013, 02:05 PM)
Any investment bank, brokerage company also can...
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not all investment banks in msia are licensed futures broker bro wink.gif


QUOTE(Ananais @ Oct 4 2013, 02:02 PM)
From which company can I apply for the Gold Future Deravatives?
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the list of licensed broker is here:
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/deriva...g-participants/

you may also wanna attend any of this free seminar to catch them:
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/events...utures-seminars

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post Oct 7 2013, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 6 2013, 02:58 PM)
FLGD probably wont be much success, because the secret for all commodity based Futures Trading are called "Physical Delivery"
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not neccesary..look at thailand futures exchange, their gold futures is doing well
mean while, 85 lots traded so far and the spreads are narrow
not too bad for a new product


update: 200 contracts done now

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post Oct 8 2013, 08:41 AM

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RM12.1m worth of gold futures contracts traded on debut day

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 7 — The gold futures contract (FGLD), which made its debut on Bursa Malaysia Derivatives today, got off to a glittering start with 90.2 kilogrammes of gold, worth of RM12.1 million, traded by a good mix of both domestic and foreign investors.

Bursa Malaysia Derivatives Bhd Chief Executive Officer Chong Kim Seng said appointed market makers accounted for 56 per cent of today’s participation, followed by domestic retail (23 per cent), foreign institutions (11 per cent) and domestic institutions (10 per cent).

“We are happy with this (performance). The 902 lots was traded by 64 trading accounts. For us, it represents an interest by the marketplace and I think definitely, we can build on it. It is very positive for all of us,” he told Bernama when contacted here today.

The underlying asset for FGLD is gold assayed to a minimum of 995 fineness.

Chong said the small-sized gold futures contract, denominated in the ringgit, would also enable Malaysians to trade gold in local currency without foreign currency exposure.

“Although US gold price have declined US$1 to US$2 per ounce, the buy and sell spread here is very narrow and it’s only like five sen or 10 sen, and at most 15 sen,” he said.

The price movement on the gold futures market is expressed in ticks. A minimum five sen per gramme movement is equivalent to RM5 per tick.

The FGLD is a cash-settled contract and delivery of physical gold is not required. In addition, it provides market players exposure to international gold price movements at a lower entry cost.

Each gold futures contract is equivalent to 100 grams of gold bullion.

Bursa Malaysia said the pricing of the gold future contract is benchmarked against the London Gold Fix Price, which is the global benchmark for spot gold prices.

There will be two trading sessions — one starting at 9am until 12.30pm and the second session begins at 2.30pm until 7pm. – Bernama

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/money/ar...h.mnC15DgX.dpuf
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post Oct 30 2013, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Oct 30 2013, 02:33 PM)
ehh? am i missing something? any news from fed that's affecting the price?
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ya the FOMC Announcement
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/economic-calendar/


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post Oct 31 2013, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Oct 30 2013, 05:30 PM)
so fast FOMC already?
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hmm fast ar ? the previous was on 18/9, the next one on 18/12

highlight of the annoucement

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The Fed stayed the course on policy today. Quantitative easing is unchanged--no taper yet. Policy rates remain unchanged with the fed funds target at a range of zero to 0.25 percent. The FOMC decided to continue purchasing additional agency mortgage-backed securities at a pace of $40 billion per month and longer-term Treasury securities at a pace of $45 billion per month. The Committee is maintaining its existing policy of reinvesting principal payments from its holdings of agency debt and agency mortgage-backed securities in agency mortgage-backed securities and of rolling over maturing Treasury securities at auction.

However, asset purchases are not on a preset course-they are data dependent.

Guidance is unchanged with the Fed keeping a 6.5 percent unemployment rate and 2.5 percent expected inflation rate as thresholds for considering changes in policy. The FOMC sees persistently below target inflation as posing risks to economic performance. The Fed will also consider other information, including additional measures of labor market conditions, indicators of inflation pressures and inflation expectations, and readings on financial developments. The Fed gave no hint as to when quantitative easing might be curtailed.

The statement noted that the FOMC is still waiting for the labor market to improve "substantially." The Fed said that while employment showed some improvement, the unemployment rate is still elevated. The FOMC recognized that inflation persistently below its 2 percent objective could pose risks to economic performance, but it anticipates that inflation will move back toward its objective over the medium term.

Notably, the Fed continued to state that accommodative monetary policy will remain appropriate for a considerable time after the asset purchase program ends and the economic recovery strengthens.

The economy was characterized as expanding at a "moderate pace." Fiscal policy is seen as a drag on the economy. However, downside risks to the economy are seen to have diminished.

The vote for the statement was 9 to 1 with Kansas City Fed's Esther George dissenting. She was concerned that the continued high level of monetary accommodation increased the risks of future economic and financial imbalances and, over time, could cause an increase in long-term inflation expectations. Fed Governor Sarah Bloom Raskin did not attend the meeting.

Today's decision specifically means that the Fed will continue to weigh down on long-term interest rates-notably Treasuries and mortgage rates. And there will be continued pressure on risk preferences toward riskier assets-away from bonds and toward equities and even housing.

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post Dec 24 2013, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 24 2013, 01:07 AM)
Most if not all own gold, if take short will go against their gold holding.
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Dec 24 2013, 08:12 AM)
i guess alot ppl buy at higher price if SHORT will rugi la
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why would going short makes you rugi i wonder hmm.gif
you can always go short on futures contract while still holding onto your physical right hmm.gif
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post Feb 17 2014, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(whyip1988 @ Feb 17 2014, 11:00 AM)
hi bro, im newbie in paper gold investment,
btw , between pbb paper gold & uob paper gold , which is better ?
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if you are trading on short term, then go for futures
the contract now consistently trades with spread within 1-2 ticks

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