QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 14 2013, 02:00 PM)
Too light weight, can straight away carry the whole case without need to open at all... Gold Investment Corner V7, all about gold
Gold Investment Corner V7, all about gold
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Aug 14 2013, 02:24 PM
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Aug 16 2013, 03:17 PM
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It is a weird movement last night.
Gold shoot up, despite good economy data. Previously gold plunged when economy reported good data, that may prompt for Fed tapering. But yesterday, it is the reverse. Good economy data, USD rise, treasuries rise, gold also rise. Many analyst may need to work OT and search hard to find the reason, to justify the rise... |
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Aug 21 2013, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 21 2013, 10:03 AM) That's nice............but you would have been, as Cherroy always pointed out, suffering for many years. This is real life experience. ![]() I am not discourage people to have gold, in fact, I always view gold is a good option for asset allocation/diversification. Just do not take for granted having gold must inflation hedge or must go up, as gold had its own lost decades as well. QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Aug 21 2013, 10:06 AM) Gold as a part of investment is fantastic and it's my hopeful wish to get into it again soon. Whether I see it is half empty or not, it doesn't matter, as said, this is experience people had gone through. When I was younger, I can only afford to pickup 1 piece at a time every several months setting aside 8% of my income monthly so, I feel awesome whereas others might have just spend all their income away, instead. By the way, Cheeroy should never have seen the cup as half empty. There is risk associated with gold investment, aka I am not fear about gold price plunging but the main risk is price stagnation. |
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Aug 21 2013, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 21 2013, 10:20 AM) I presume at the time you were probably buying Kruggers, Maples, Pamps or Eagles? You can say I was born at the wrong time. I was studying gold from 1998 to 2000 before taking the plunge in 2002. This was after the asean crisis in 1998. Interesting times in the last 10 years. Cherroy was sharing his pains.....cant see the full half. Difference experience gone through by individual, may have different view. When the cup is half, either half full or half empty also right. Once bitten by snake, then always wary about snake. So I am more cautious towards gold. But still gold is can be good alternative asset. |
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Aug 22 2013, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 22 2013, 03:21 PM) Many bought gold to defense increased of fiat money supply by QE. As QE tapering is imminent, does it mean gold price will drop further? Market generally move ahead before real action being taken one.Since the word "taper" coming out, we already see how gold price tumbling down from 17xx to 14xx. |
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Sep 18 2013, 03:51 PM
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Sep 18 2013, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 18 2013, 03:26 PM) us and eu markets at all time highs says it all. but surprises lurk everywhere all the time. It happened last 2 weeks ago, but not this week.i am only interested in gold as a hedge against the weak rm. gold may be weak but rm can even weaker! This week RM rise a lot against USD, while gold price plunge, so "double down" effect of gold price in RM. |
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Sep 18 2013, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 18 2013, 03:57 PM) will they actually reduce the money that has already been circulating? like dispose the paper dollar? No, incorrect.QE tapering means reduce the money supply. If money that already circulating being reduced, then you will have huge problem in the economy, aka recession/depression already. Money supply in norm day and most of the time is increasing one together with economy growth. Economy growth, more money needed in the system. |
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Sep 18 2013, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 18 2013, 04:04 PM) yes, good to see it strengthen a bit for now. i need to get some fx soon! it is never a straight line up or down. longer term, i have doubts it will not go lower given all the indicators we see and the "big plans" our gomen has. If want to hedge against RM weakness, a direct own other currency like Usd, Aud, SGD, or overseas asset may be a better option instead of gold. As gold is not directly hedged against RM weakness, as you can have gold is weak itself, so even though USD goes up against RM, you don't get any hedging effect on the RM weakness. |
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Nov 12 2013, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(kazama82 @ Nov 12 2013, 04:24 PM) Now is downtrend.. But the price still fluctuate high and low.. Grab the opportunity buy low, sell high.. Since it already happened few times this year.. The theory is always easy, buy low, sell high.But reality, everytime get it right in buy low and then sell high, is something not easy to achieve. For eg. now 1280~1300 is a low or high? Buy or sell? Last time there were people talk 1500 is low (after plunged from 17xx level), but if bought at 1500 and no sell until how, 1500 is a "high" if look from now. The fear of gold price is not about downtrend or uptrend. The major trend I fear of, is gold repeat its history from 1980 to 2000, a price stagnation for 20 years. |
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Nov 25 2013, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(DLeom Vault @ Nov 25 2013, 10:08 PM) Here is an illustration on how fiat (paper) currency created by banks are literally created by debts. Gold's worth how much is based on fiat money term. Do you rather preserve you wealth in honest money (gold and silver), or hold on to someone else's debt (fiat currencies)? Money can be used to buy properties, invest in stock market, can be used to open up business to buy goods, to pay wages for workers, to buy burger at roadside store, can buy candy. But gold cannot without changing to fiat money term first. If gold price doesn't go up like from 80's to 2000, then gold "worth" also being 'eaten" by inflation. Gold is not a money since it doesn't be used as a medium of exchange. When gold cannot buy candy, burger, house, car, shares, how can it be classified as "money", so more "honest money". Debts increasing is not a concern as long as those debt can be serviced and fiat money works well until my last breath. This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 25 2013, 10:20 PM |
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Nov 26 2013, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(DLeom Vault @ Nov 25 2013, 11:15 PM) Try not to worth gold's value in terms of paper money for a moment, but paper money's worth in terms of gold. One ounce of gold today is still one ounce of gold tomorrow, its worth does not change. But RM 1000 today might depreciate in value tomorrow thanks to inflation and worth much less the longer you hold the RM 1000. 1. Ya, store in value in term of fiat money, as all people coorelate gold at USD1250. Is the oil price, food supply price, and other goods actually rises, or is the value of paper currency actually depreciate, thus has less purchasing power to buy these goods? Gold has most important properties of universal money: 1. Gold is an accepted store of value 2. Gold is easily divided into equivalent units 3. Gold is fungible 4. Gold is available worldwide 5. Gold cannot be counterfeited or artificially manufactured Yes gold is not use in day-to-day transaction since paper currency replaced them. Remember central banks utilize gold for transaction between countries in large volume (tonnes). Can you still say gold is not 'money'? FYI Kelantan has also started the practice of using gold & silver (dinar & dirham) as payment for salaries, and some shops do accept dinar & dirham to buy stuffs. Debt should not concern you if you plan to spend your paper currency as soon as you receive your salary. But if you plan to store your paper currency for a long term, you will slowly see your purchasing power decrease over time. I hope this does concern everyone. Gold and silver might not be a tool used for daily transaction, but it is still money. Most importantly at the current age, it is tool that acts as WEALTH PRESERVATION. Holding on and storing paper currency to preserve your wealth will only 'tax' your purchasing power bit by bit every day. 2. Not easy, need to melt it. 5. Not heard of tungsten filled gold? Not every person on the street know how to verify pure gold, somebody take 916 and said it is 999, not everyone know how to differentiate, somemore tungsten filled gold. Transaction between countries to countries mostly done in USD, aka for trade between, exchange settlement etc. Not gold. If it is not used for daily, groceries shop, it is not a "money". As simple as that. Wealth preservation? I was "taxed" before by inflation throughout 20 years, from 80's to 2000. A bowl of mee cost Rm0.50 during 80's, when gold price was USD300~500 A bowl of mee cost Rm2.00 when 2000, while gold price still USD300~500. Where is the preservation? This post has been edited by cherroy: Nov 26 2013, 10:52 AM |
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Nov 26 2013, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Nov 25 2013, 11:54 PM) U may disagree with me but this is what I think. I choose stock, properties that can yield dividend, rental, as well as capital appreciation.Let's say 1 oz of gold is worth rm4000. And if u only can choose between 1 oz of gold and rm4000, which one would u choose? I'll choose the gold coz it might appreciate above rm4000 worth but whereas the value of rm4000 will depreciate. I disagree that "Gold is not a money since it doesn't be used as a medium of exchange". I would love to accept gold rather than fiat money as an exchange to my goods and services. Just that ppl are afraid that the gold might not be genuine and it's a hassle to test every gold during each transaction. I am not advocate to tell people to keep RM4000 cash. It is not wise to keep Rm4000 cash, put inside FD, bond does yield 3-4% currently. Money = medium of goods exchange. If it is not used as medium of exchange, then it is not a "money". If gold is money, so does property but nobody said property is "money", right? |
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Dec 13 2013, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(hackwire @ Dec 13 2013, 12:56 PM) Every time when i called the dealers, they only said one thing... This is the good time to buy! I already bought at higher price , feels like kicking that fella ass. Anytime sure a good time for dealer, as they earn commission from it, disregard what price it is. |
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Dec 19 2013, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(Curious Guy @ Dec 19 2013, 05:57 PM) Hi kazama82, QE needs to be ended in one day, cannot go forever.Next year taper again by Yellen, will price go down further.....? it seems the "taper" will go on and on and on...like no ending..... then gold price down and down and down....? then US equities up and up and up.....? or 2014 will move otherwise for correction....???? is it bcoz even taper no effect coz they use to it aldy..... immune It is not taper will go on and on. |
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Dec 20 2013, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Dec 20 2013, 10:00 AM) Yes, QE may be tapered or end one day.But it may start again in the one day in the future. Same with gold, it has its glory day from 2000 to 2013. But it has its darker day from 1980 to 2000. There is nothing or any trend last forever. Forever QE? If forever, then all the treasuries , mortgages securities in the financial market ended up in the hand of Fed. I do not fear gold price dropping, as gold has its "floor price" (just like any other commodities), the most fear is gold repeating its history, whereby I don't know have the time to wait again another 20+ years. |
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Feb 6 2014, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 5 2014, 09:57 AM) How much is the current inflation rate? What is the expected inflation rate for next 2 to 3 years? Inflation rate is never a gauge to determine gold price.Gold and silver supply are running out? If purchasing rate right now is pretty high, why price is still lower than last year? In fact, gold price never co-related well with inflation rate. From 1980's, 2000, goods price already inflation rise several folds, while gold price appreciation? zero. |
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Feb 6 2014, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(spring onion @ Feb 6 2014, 04:58 PM) increase of gold price = inflation rate + sentimental value I never scare gold price drop, I mostly concern is gold repeating its own history from 1980's to 2000.now the sentimental value is gone. time to buy buy buy of cause 1250 level is not a good time to buy, if you scared that gold will crash below 1000, you can buy shares while playing with gold if gold sits between 1100-1200, then i would advice to buy. but now is winter... let's see what happens when summer approaches |
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