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post Jul 31 2013, 04:15 PM, updated 12y ago

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Previous Version of Gold Investment Corner
Buying Gold As Investment V1
Buying Gold As Investment V2
Buying Gold As Investment V3
Gold Investment Corner V4
Gold Investment Corner V5
Gold Investment Corner V6



1)Daily Gold Price RM/gram -------> http://jinjack.net/vdraw/grab/gold_rate/

2)Live Gold Price --------> http://goldprice.org/spot-gold.html

3)Gold Volatility Index --------> http://www.cboe.com/micro/gvz/introduction.aspx

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Gold headed for biggest monthly gain since Jan 2012

"We see some speculative buying on gold and silver," said a Hong Kong-based precious metals trader. "Stops were triggered once gold hit $1,330."

"There is also month-end buying from funds as they window dress their portfolios."

Gold premiums in Shanghai have eased from last week, indicating a slowdown in demand. Shanghai gold
was about $16 more than London spot prices, down from more than $25 last week.

Gold imports by India have halted since July 22, when the central bank announced new rules tying imports to exports, sending premiums for scarce stocks soaring.
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congratulation on the V7! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

USD/oz = 1324.02

looking for physical gold! anyone selling? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jul 31 2013, 04:15 PM)
1)Daily Gold Price RM/gram -------> http://www.fgjam.org.my/

2)Live Gold Price --------> http://goldprice.org/spot-gold.html

3)Gold Volatility Index --------> http://www.cboe.com/micro/gvz/introduction.aspx
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why link no 1 give no value at all?
it says gold price at 1 august is rm0.00/gram?? rclxub.gif
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use this link better

http://jinjack.net/vdraw/grab/gold_rate/
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Gold eases on US data and stronger dollar

"I think people might be hard pressed to come up with a really compelling reason to put new positions on gold based on that one statement," said a Hong Kong-based precious metals trader.

"If we see a very strong recovery in the employment situation, that will unsettle the markets," he added.

US nonfarm payrolls data is due for release on Friday, and will follow Wednesday’s gross domestic product and jobs data that painted a brighter picture of economic growth.

Physical demand for bullion also remained quiet. Shanghai gold futures turned negative after gaining at the open, indicating soft buying in China — the world’s second biggest bullion consumer.

In top buyer India, gold imports have come to a halt due to uncertainty in import policy, keeping premiums high at about $45 an ounce over London prices.

The Indian central bank had still not issued any clarification to importing agencies regarding a rule that ties imports to exports, a Mumbai-based dealer said.
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post Aug 2 2013, 09:37 AM

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gold price going down again
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post Aug 2 2013, 11:16 AM

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I think there's more downside to this. It's not over (Don't ask me abt technicals...I'm pretty bad at drawing.smile.gif )
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Roller Coaster, man, roller coaster. $1286 now.
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What goes up must come down one day biggrin.gif
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aiyoyooo.. after lunch saje, gold LAU-SAII.., CIRIT BIRIT <<1287
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Aug 2 2013, 03:19 PM)
What goes up must come down one day  biggrin.gif
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correction.. its should be " what goes up will/must come down TWICE faster than it went up" doh.gif

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Gold heads for weekly decline as jobs data loom

The metal faced a weekly loss of more than 1%, which would be its first such drop in four weeks.

Brightening economy data raise expectations that the Fed will slow the pace of its monetary stimulus, which has been considered a drag on the dollar’s value but a boon for gold prices in recent years.
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Buy the dip! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 2 2013, 08:34 PM)
Buy the dip!  laugh.gif
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u always turn up when price fall but disappears when price is up. hehe... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 2 2013, 08:45 PM)
u always turn up when price fall but disappears when price is up. hehe... biggrin.gif
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Well, I'm watching Ben. Ben watching the shoreline as lifeguard but he took off for short break for two days.
Tide receded slightly below 1300, that's the line in the sand.

But, I don't see sharks yet. .so stay the course. Hold that 1300 line! laugh.gif






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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 2 2013, 09:29 PM)
Well, I'm watching Ben. Ben watching the shoreline as lifeguard but he took off for short break for two days.
Tide receded slightly below 1300, that's the line in the sand.

But, I don't see sharks yet. .so stay the course. Hold that 1300 line!  laugh.gif
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Your wish came through. Went back up above 1310 tongue.gif

Are you short or long ? Same court with us or opposite ?
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 2 2013, 11:13 PM)
Your wish came through. Went back up above 1310  tongue.gif

Are you short or long ? Same court with us or opposite ?
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Long!! See v6, post #2424,#2470
I'm on the bulls team for now. laugh.gif

We need the front line bulls to hold their ground and build up the wall of defense at 1300.

I'm holding the secondary line of defense at 1250. brows.gif

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 2 2013, 11:47 PM)
Long!!  See v6, post #2424,#2470
I'm on the bulls team for now.  laugh.gif

We need the front line bulls to hold their ground and build up the wall of defense at 1300.

I'm holding the secondary line of defense at 1250.  brows.gif
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So we are on the same court now icon_rolleyes.gif

But it dropped back to 1280+ in the last hours of trading cry.gif
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 3 2013, 07:41 AM)
But it dropped back to 1280+ in the last hours of trading  cry.gif
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I'm still showing above 1300 as of Friday close. So, don't worry about it. whistling.gif





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I will go in big when it goes down to 1, 150 +/-

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QUOTE(tchtax @ Aug 4 2013, 04:27 PM)
I will go in big when it goes down to 1, 150 +/-
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No you wont......twill be 1100 then 1050, then 1000 tongue.gif
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2morow on IF going forward then time to shopping biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 4 2013, 04:39 PM)
No you wont......twill be 1100 then 1050, then 1000  tongue.gif
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maybe...will also see how fast and furious the slide is gonna be when that happens tongue.gif
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Gold inches up on weak jobs data, stimulus hopes

"These markets are very much driven in the immediate future by the data that gives us an idea as to when the tapering is going to start taking effect. And gold being very much the most sensitive to that," said Mark Keenan, cross-commodity research strategist at Societe Generale in Singapore.

"The tapering is very much on the horizon. We see it this year," said Keenan.

Hedge funds and money managers trimmed their gold net longs and raised their bullish position in silver futures and options, a report by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission showed on Friday.

"The outlook is bearish for gold, and we expect a test of the major low at USD 1,180, to target USD 1,156," ScotiaMocatta analysts wrote in a note. Gold hit a near three-year low of USD 1,180 on June 28.
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Gold Slides Below $1,300 as Investors Weigh Stimulus Outlook

“Bullion was weighed down by comments from Dallas Federal Reserve President Richard Fisher,” James Steel, an analyst at HSBC Securities (USA) Inc., said in an e-mailed note today. The speech showed the Fed “is now a step closer to withdrawing from its quantitative easing program.”

Fisher said in a speech in Portland, Oregon, yesterday that a decision to slow purchases is “closer to execution mode,” and that “financial markets may have become too accustomed to what some have depicted as a Fed ‘put,’” or the idea that the central bank will loosen credit after a market decline.

Gold also fell as holdings in the biggest bullion-backed exchange-traded product extended their slide. Holdings in the SPDR Gold Trust declined 0.2 percent to 917.14 metric tons yesterday, the lowest since February 2009, according to data on the fund’s website.


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why this thread suddenly become so quiet?
normally its always in the first page smile.gif
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I bought it at about $1400.
Should I just keep and wait or buy in more when it is still at the bottom such as $1200-1259?


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Hi, I'm. New here and new in gold. I'm planning to trade in GIA. Anyone here has any GIA account from different banks can share their pros and cons? Thanks in advance
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QUOTE(McHoong @ Aug 12 2013, 11:35 PM)
I bought it at about $1400.
Should I just keep and wait or buy in more when it is still at the bottom such as $1200-1259?
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u bought it at a good price already smile.gif
if u plan to pile up your stock, just wait and see the trending
its hard to assume but my normal practice is, when the price goes lower every day for 2-3 days, it means the price is going down.
if the price is just within the range, means the price is stabilizing.
but dont use my assumption as rule of thumb coz my noob prediction isn't absolute tongue.gif

the reason why i said u bought it at 1400usd is good price is because based on this year trending
in january 2013, the price was 1700usd nod.gif
take a look in here: 5years Chart

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so even hari raya, gold bounces a little only... i still kenot buy camera because of depreciated gold price. dem it... raya without camera
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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Aug 13 2013, 07:59 AM)
so even hari raya, gold bounces a little only... i still kenot buy camera because of depreciated gold price. dem it... raya without camera
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Whats gold price gotta do with hari raya?

You buy gold so you can gain to buy a..............camera? biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 13 2013, 08:59 AM)
Whats gold price gotta do with hari raya?

You buy gold so you can gain to buy a..............camera?    biggrin.gif
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haha... yup... i bought when the price was RM14x. the amount is exactly the same price with the camera i intended to buy..
kononnya can gain extra money out of it.. wait for raya promotion. But the gold keep declining... dem it blush.gif
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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Aug 13 2013, 09:56 AM)
haha... yup... i bought when the price was RM14x. the amount is exactly the  same price with the camera i intended to buy..
kononnya can gain extra money out of it.. wait for raya promotion. But the gold keep declining... dem it blush.gif
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Gold is no casino. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 13 2013, 09:57 AM)
Matey

If you wanna make some fast money, its casino.
Gold is no casino.    biggrin.gif
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casino gambling... harroommm...
i dunno some pipu here consider fundsupermart as an alternative since the gold is lowballing to the emax
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 13 2013, 09:57 AM)
Matey

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Gold is no casino.    biggrin.gif
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I thought buy low sell high is speculating and it's consider gambling. No? tongue.gif


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QUOTE(hey_there @ Aug 13 2013, 12:29 PM)
I thought buy low sell high is speculating and it's consider gambling. No?  tongue.gif
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brb do some research
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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Aug 13 2013, 12:34 PM)
brb do some research
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Don't worry mate, if it's harom, banks won't offer GIA services.
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Aug 13 2013, 12:41 PM)
Don't worry mate, if it's harom, banks won't offer GIA services.
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apparently its haram. but dunno what to do/react
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Gold Snaps Four-Day Advance as Rally Hurts Demand

Gold snapped a four-day advance as a rally to the highest level in almost three weeks damped demand and prompted some investors to sell.

“The market is consolidating after recent gains, with a stronger dollar weighing on prices,” said Sun Yonggang, a macroeconomic strategist at Everbright Futures Co., a unit of one of China’s largest state-owned investment companies. “Higher prices may deter fresh investment and physical purchases.”

Holdings in the SPDR Gold Trust, the biggest bullion-backed exchange-traded product, were unchanged yesterday after climbing on Aug. 9 for the first time since June 10. Holdings have contracted 33 percent this year.
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Aug 13 2013, 12:41 PM)
Don't worry mate, if it's harom, banks won't offer GIA services.
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4 your info, gia is harom because all transaction of gold must be physical..not in paper.
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According to Report SOS, only KFH Gold Account-i by Kuwait Finance House (KFH) is confirmed to having been approved as providing Shariah-compliant products.

The other six banks still sell gold based on conventional banking thus is not syariah compliant and investors cannot withdraw their gold account deposits in its physical form.
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gold Rm140.00
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QUOTE(phantom_zero @ Aug 13 2013, 04:10 PM)
4 your info, gia is harom because all transaction of gold must be physical..not in paper.
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Hmm.. Buy physical gold then..
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now is below than RM140/gram rclxms.gif

Gold Price

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DATE SELLING (RM/g) BUYING (RM/g)
14-Aug-13 141.85 135.87
Last update : 14-Aug-13 at 08:48:50 AM

my average buying price is rm135.67.
just a few cent profit. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(number79 @ Aug 14 2013, 10:30 AM)
Maybank Gold Investment Account
DATE  SELLING (RM/g)  BUYING (RM/g)
14-Aug-13  141.85  135.87
Last update :  14-Aug-13 at 08:48:50 AM

my average buying price is rm135.67.
just a few cent profit. biggrin.gif
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Better than nothing rclxms.gif

The price is 1323/oz now. I personally think is high to buy. What u guys think?
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Aug 14 2013, 11:26 AM)
Better than nothing  rclxms.gif

The price is 1323/oz now. I personally think is high to buy. What u guys think?
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then maybe u want to check the price for January this year?
its 1700usd/oz
so is now high price to buy or vice versa?
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I have Kuwait Finance House account. And I'm interested in long investment. but heck, KFH branch is sooo far from my place. And hard to find a time to go there. Really wanna buy some gold.
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 14 2013, 02:45 PM)
I have Kuwait Finance House account. And I'm interested in long investment. but heck, KFH branch is sooo far from my place. And hard to find a time to go there. Really wanna buy some gold.
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if want convenient, but from UOB, PBB or MBB
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 14 2013, 02:48 PM)
if want convenient, but from UOB, PBB or MBB
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Yes I know but this

QUOTE(davinz18 @ Aug 13 2013, 05:30 PM)
According to Report SOS, only KFH Gold Account-i by Kuwait Finance House (KFH) is confirmed to having been approved as providing Shariah-compliant products. 

The other six banks still sell gold based on conventional banking thus is not syariah compliant and investors cannot withdraw their gold account deposits in its physical form.
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And I prefer physical gold; gold plate. KFH should add more branch doh.gif
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 14 2013, 02:56 PM)
Yes I know but this
And I prefer physical gold; gold plate. KFH should add more branch  doh.gif
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oh... then no choice lor...

Is it for investment? Physical gold need to consider the risk of holding it...
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 14 2013, 02:58 PM)
oh... then no choice lor...

Is it for investment? Physical gold need to consider the risk of holding it...
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But if have this,

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should be no problem right? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 14 2013, 02:00 PM)
But if have this,

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should be no problem right?  laugh.gif
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Too light weight, can straight away carry the whole case without need to open at all... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Aug 14 2013, 01:45 PM)
I have Kuwait Finance House account. And I'm interested in long investment. but heck, KFH branch is sooo far from my place. And hard to find a time to go there. Really wanna buy some gold.
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just for the 1st time for opening account, setup your login & startup investment only...after that all can do online...
no need to frequently go to branch...even can transfer funds from other bank to kfh & purchase/withdraw gold..all online...
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QUOTE(suadrif @ Aug 14 2013, 01:22 PM)
then maybe u want to check the price for January this year?
its 1700usd/oz
so is now high price to buy or vice versa?
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Yea but aug 6 is at 1274/oz.
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If you bought it at RM 12x, it is a nice time to sell considering the peak seems to hit at RM 140
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QUOTE(HeHeHunter @ Aug 14 2013, 03:32 PM)
If you bought it at RM 12x, it is a nice time to sell considering the peak seems to hit at RM 140
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Yea, it seems to stay at rm140 these 2 weeks.
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QUOTE(hunt2sp @ Aug 14 2013, 03:08 PM)
just for the 1st time for opening account, setup your login & startup investment only...after that all can do online...
no need to frequently go to branch...even can transfer funds from other bank to kfh & purchase/withdraw gold..all online...
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really?
KFH can do online transaction?
why i never know this? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Aug 14 2013, 04:06 PM)
Yea, it seems to stay at rm140 these 2 weeks.
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take a look what happen in year 2011
it stays at RM140 (around 1400usd/oz) for months and then suddenly goes up

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time for digging

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QUOTE(hunt2sp @ Aug 14 2013, 04:08 PM)
just for the 1st time for opening account, setup your login & startup investment only...after that all can do online...
no need to frequently go to branch...even can transfer funds from other bank to kfh & purchase/withdraw gold..all online...
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Yes I know. But I forgot my account number, so basically I can't register it online because it require my KFH account number. Need to go to the "nearest" KFH branch again, sigh sooo damn far  shakehead.gif
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can call them to ask about your account number, maybe need some verification..never called them before but no harm trying..
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can call them to ask about your account number, maybe need some verification..never called them before but no harm trying..
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QUOTE(suadrif @ Aug 14 2013, 04:18 PM)
take a look what happen in year 2011
it stays at RM140 (around 1400usd/oz) for months and then suddenly goes up

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But that was going up, stabilize and shot up. At current rate, it is going up and down where it peaks at RM 140+-. If it shoots up, then it is not my 'rezeki' already.
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QUOTE(HeHeHunter @ Aug 14 2013, 04:31 PM)
But that was going up, stabilize and shot up. At current rate, it is going up and down where it peaks at RM 140+-. If it shoots up, then it is not my 'rezeki' already.
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But I heard a lot of ppl predict that gold will drop down to 1000/oz - 1100/oz based on Dow/gold ratio. I don't know, I just started paying attention to gold recently in aug 13. So I'm still very very new in this.
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Gold futures log gains after 1% loss

Gold futures edged higher Wednesday but gains were modest as the market came off a sharp decline in the previous session. Gold prices are trading marginally higher on “value buying following significant losses” on Tuesday, wrote analysts at ICICI Bank in a note Wednesday.

A halt in the exchange-traded-funds selloff, as holdings in the SPDR Gold Trust remained unchanged at 911.13 metric tons for third day in a row as of Tuesday, “aided the outlook on metal demand,” the analysts said.

HSBC said Tuesday’s drop in gold prices came as the Reserve Bank of India raised the import duty on gold for the third time this year in an effort to help narrow the country’s current-account deficit. The duty was increased to 10% from 8%.

There has also been “good physical buying” of gold in China, with Steel noting an indicator of demand is gold’s premium on the Shanghai Gold Exchange.
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so even hari raya, gold bounces a little only... i still kenot buy camera because of depreciated gold price. dem it... raya without camera
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Gold only goes up during CNy...lolx
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planning to add a few grams to my MBB GIA. Any chance the price gonna drop to at least rm135 per gram before the price shoot up?
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if that is so, those who bought it at RM 12x will be laughing now. I consider myself a conservative. Make good profit (as long as it is better than FD) and run. Aim higher, risk higher.
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QUOTE(HeHeHunter @ Aug 15 2013, 12:14 AM)
if that is so, those who bought it at RM 12x will be laughing now. I consider myself a conservative. Make good profit (as long as it is better than FD) and run. Aim higher, risk higher.
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Hmm.. I thought as long as u don't sell u wont lose money right? Most is u got ur money stuck there without interest.
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Hmm.. I thought as long as u don't sell u wont lose money right? Most is u got ur money stuck there without interest.
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You are right. Let's say you are still holding it at RM 17x and now you wait and wait and it stays static at RM 14x, you are actually at a loss should you sell off your (paper) gold. I may be wrong though.
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positive trend now!!! hopefully the trend would continue and turn my loss into profit or at least break even
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I think if the POG punches through 1350 by end of this week..it would be looking good
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I think if the POG punches through 1350 by end of this week..it would be looking good
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So, watch that price movement. Make your mark and score some dough. biggrin.gif


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You are right. Let's say you are still holding it at RM 17x and now you wait and wait and it stays static at RM 14x, you are actually at a loss should you sell off your (paper) gold. I may be wrong though.
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Gold will end this year at around 1400.
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Gold will end this year at around 1400.
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Gold near 3-week high on U.S. data, fund inflows

Gold extended gains on Thursday to a three-week high on hopes the Federal Reserve may not scale back its commodities-friendly bond buying soon, and as holdings at the world's top gold-backed exchange traded fund (ETFs) rose for a second time in a week.

Traders shrugged off tighter import rules in India and outflows from other gold ETFs, pushing up prices for a sixth session out of seven on the prospect of rising demand from investors and physical buyers.

Physical demand, however, seemed to be picking up with the recent stabilization in prices bringing back buyers.

Demand in India and China could each cross 1,000 tonnes this year, the World Gold Council said on Thursday. It also said overall gold demand fell 12 percent in the second quarter due to the outflows from ETFs.
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1. A gold short squeeze appears to be in play. In other words, many investors sold gold short in hopes that its price would plunge, but the price of gold has been climbing for several sessions now. So the shorts must cover their trade, meaning they must buy back the gold position they shorted and take a loss, since they now have to buy gold at a higher price

2. An increase in gold demand from China and India has been another catalyst for gold. China's consumption of gold in the first half surged by more than 50%, reinforcing expectations that the nation will overtake India as the world's top gold consumer this year, the China Gold Association said in a statement on its website on Monday.

3. The biggest driver for gold prices, though, is the expectation that the Federal Reserve will keep interest rates at near zero.


In Chicago, most traders think tapering is a "pretty good bet" with rates likely to rise. While the Fed has said it won't raise rates unless employment improves, it's the market, not just the Fed, that actually dictates rates.

If rates rise and Treasury yields fall, people will realize bonds are "not a safe haven play" and will opt to invest in gold instead.


But pointing to a sluggish U.S. job market and an economy void of a visible increased rate of inflation, is ready to rule out tapering














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Price goes lower now
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QUOTE(tchtax @ Aug 15 2013, 09:31 AM)
I think if the POG punches through 1350 by end of this week..it would be looking good
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Now is 1320 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tchtax @ Aug 15 2013, 09:58 AM)
Bought at 1338 level.... sweat.gif
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Bought at 1600 -1700, accumulated further 1400, lagi accumulated 1350; then start accumulated silver instead 2.4, 2.3 2.2, 2.1. Then start physical silver.....
But all small bites lah, pai seh..... blush.gif

Precious metals - long term games. ... assets diversified purpose. Why sell if v r looking at 5-10 years horizon. .... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(HeHeHunter @ Aug 15 2013, 08:43 PM)
If fall to RM 12x again should pick up. smile.gif
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Agreed as many said the costs of mining is 1100-1200.... so best buy at this price. .... can by tonnes of it..... (in dreams)..... can only afford grams only in reality. .... cry.gif

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Gold reverses sharply after US jobless claims plunge

Gold fell on Thursday, reversing from a 3 week high after the number of Americans filing new claims for unemployment benefits fell to a near six-year low last week, hinting at a pick-up in job growth in early August.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits dropped 15,000 to a seasonally adjusted 320,000, the lowest level since October 2007, the Labor Department said on Thursday. Additionally, the Labor Department said on Thursday its Consumer Price Index rose 0.2 percent as the cost of goods and services ranging from tobacco to apparel and food increased.
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it is 1367 now!!! come on.. go again
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Those China forum people say 1350 resistant break, now will all the way up to 1505, before make another small correction....
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Darn, I sold too early.
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The reason why gold just did an upward spike move of the type not seen since the summer of 2011, when it exploded higher by $20 in seconds, is clear , JPM is now actively buying up gold in the market to meet delivery demands. That, and countless stops getting hit, helps. But the most important factor: Paulson, Soros et al finally got out of the yellow metal. That meant there is only upside as the latent selling overhand is gone. As for silver: why not...

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The GOLD PRICE must escape the gravitational pull of $1,350, although it closed above that today. May high for gold was $1,487.20, but the biggest hurdle is $1,500, and beyond that $1,550 where the April debacle began. Next resistance for gold is $1,400. Everything is in place for a huge rally.

Stop waiting. Buy gold and silver.

http://silver-and-gold-prices.goldprice.or...-to-136160.html
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Still holding here... let's move the front line prawns up to 1350, I'll move my support wall to 1300. whistling.gif





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I don't think 1350 will be revisited anytime soon for now..will interesting to see how POG will react when europe opens in the afternoon

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Still holding here...  let's move the front line prawns up to 1350, I'll move my support wall to 1300.  whistling.gif
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same goes to me. gonna hold it till less or equal than 1300 biggrin.gif
i nearly bought it at 1320 last time drool.gif
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I don't think 1350 will be revisited anytime soon for now..will interesting to see how POG will react when europe opens in the afternoon
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Don't be so sure yet.

In order for Gold to "less likely" visit the lower price, you need at least $100 buffer or spread or higher.

Gold can move $50 a day.. it's that easy because its' all by percentage relative to all other commodities.




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The things is Gold and USD raised at the same time
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China and India may not be enough to rescue gold: Clyde Russell

With gold demand slumping to the lowest in four years in the second quarter, bulls are grasping to hold on to anything positive and right now that means India and China.

India regained its lead over China by buying 310 tonnes in the second quarter, up 71 percent from the same period in 2012 and 21 percent above first quarter purchases.

China bought 275.7 tonnes in the second quarter, a jump of 87 percent from the same period last year, but 6 percent below the first quarter's demand.

But even the strong demand in the Asian giants wasn't enough to offset the dramatic outflows from exchange-traded funds (ETFs), which saw 402.2 tonnes of sales, more than double the 176.5 tonnes that flowed out in the first quarter.

This meant that total gold demand was 856.3 tonnes, a drop of 12 percent from the same quarter of last year and the lowest three-month total in four years.


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It is a weird movement last night.

Gold shoot up, despite good economy data.
Previously gold plunged when economy reported good data, that may prompt for Fed tapering.
But yesterday, it is the reverse.

Good economy data, USD rise, treasuries rise, gold also rise.

Many analyst may need to work OT and search hard to find the reason, to justify the rise... biggrin.gif
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One of the most widely accepted truisms in what passes for our financial media is that the dollar and gold are correlated: when the dollar weakens, gold rises, and when gold rises, the dollar declines.
Do the trends up and down align inversely? In other words, when gold is rising, is the dollar declining, and vice versa?
Nope. The supposedly inversely correlated DXY and GLD have risen in tandem for several significant stretches of time.
Conclusion: there is no correlation between gold and the U.S. dollar index. Not even close.The two move independently; any apparent correlation is semi-random signal noise. They are not on a simplistic see-saw.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-08/a...dollar-and-gold

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This article may gives us some hints rclxms.gif

Is This Why Gold Is Spiking





That JPMorgan has been scrambling day after day in the past week to meet gold delivery requests directed to its vault located deep under 1 CMP is no secret, at least not to our frequent readers. This peaked on Monday when, courtesy of a color-coded Comex scheme, we showed how panicked the lateral moves between various Comex gold vaults had become to preserve the illusion of physical availability.

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However, as yesterday's Comex report showed, instead of tapering, JPM was just slammed with yet another 70K delivery (registered to eligible warrant detachment), which will likely appear on either today's or tomorrow's settlement. And since the other gold vaults appear to have no more freely transferrable gold to hand over to JPM as everyone is now scrutinizing their every move under a microscope, JPM may no longer have the option of ignoring the mess its vault is in. Which means it has one option: to start buying the metal in the open market.

And sure enough, breaking from the "standard" of the past 8 months, in which JPM was drowning in Issues, for both House and Customer accounts, the firm's House accounts just saw the largest Stop (i.e. taking delivery) since December of 2012, amounting to over 210K oz.

Has JPM, flooded with demands for physical, finally thrown in the towel, and seeing that the deluge in delivery requests is "untapering", had no choice but to turn to the one place it has left to replenish its stocks: the market?



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If you believe gold's going to go up, buy silver
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kijang emas steady rising up...
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gold price was 1314/oz on monday and it's now at 1363/oz on friday. the market is closing soon. i wonder what will happen when the market re-open next monday.
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Gold Near Two-Month High as Stocks Drop, ETPs Stabilize

The break above $1,350 prompted a short-covering rally even though expectations are still for the Fed to scale back stimulus,” said Yang Xi, an analyst at Yongan Futures Co. in Hangzhou, China, referring to some investors closing bets on losses. “Physical demand for gold rises and falls with the price. Between the two, silver seems better placed as industrial demand should increase if the economy recovers.”

While assets in the SPDR Gold Trust, the biggest bullion-backed exchange-traded product, decreased yesterday to 912.92 metric tons, holdings are heading for a weekly increase for the first time this year. In China, consumption increased 54 percent in the first half, the China Gold Association said this week.


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Last time said ready if go up to 1330 BUY whistling.gif
IF going up again to 1360 next week thats mean VERY GOOD icon_rolleyes.gif
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U guys restock? This positive trend is going to continue till when
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Last time said ready if go up to 1330 BUY  whistling.gif
IF going up again to 1360 next week thats mean VERY GOOD  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Up up up again... More bright for long.... Perhaps
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Hi guys and girls,

I bought a fair bit of silver and gold, but it is with the Bank's investment accounts in late July. Realized it was kind of silly. Because the amount is not protected by PIDM, and if I were to withdraw physical, its kinda pricey, my as well buy physical straight.

I am ready to purchase bars, coins and bullion's for both silver and gold, where may I purchase them? or with credible dealers?

Edit: Prefer if they can offer buy back as well.

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Up up up again... More bright for long.... Perhaps
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Day n night year to year gold always Importand than MONEY its should be ok wink.gif
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QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:32 PM)
Hi guys and girls,

I bought a fair bit of silver and gold, but it is with the Bank's investment accounts in late July. Realized it was kind of silly. Because the amount is not protected by PIDM, and if I were to withdraw physical, its kinda pricey, my as well buy physical straight.

I am ready to purchase bars, coins and bullion's for both silver and gold, where may I purchase them? or with credible dealers?

Edit: Prefer if they can offer buy back as well.
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what hapen? u cant withdraw/sell ur gold?
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QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:32 PM)
Hi guys and girls,

I bought a fair bit of silver and gold, but it is with the Bank's investment accounts in late July. Realized it was kind of silly. Because the amount is not protected by PIDM, and if I were to withdraw physical, its kinda pricey, my as well buy physical straight.

I am ready to purchase bars, coins and bullion's for both silver and gold, where may I purchase them? or with credible dealers?

Edit: Prefer if they can offer buy back as well.
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You can check on NUBEX and BUYSILVERMALAYSIA. Both offer wide selection of gold silver coins and bars and buyback.
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Maybank and Public bank

Realized that physical is better, since I want to buy more , also there is a minimum amount to hold in the account if I ever intend to liquidate the entire accounts if prices drop or if I decide to cash out and invest in other things

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You can check on NUBEX and BUYSILVERMALAYSIA. Both offer wide selection of gold silver coins and bars and buyback.
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Saw the spreads offered, not very attractive...
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we are finally gaining slight momentum in gold

J.P. Morgan is bullish on gold even after Paulson dumped holdings

JPMorgan Advises To... Buy Gold?
Tyler Durden's pictureSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 08/16/2013

Gold shrugged off news today that Paulson & Co had cut its exchange listed gold exposure in half and rose 2.2% to $1,365/oz. This may be delivering an exclamation mark to define the end of the 10-month, 25% fall in gold and 50% fall in gold equities, (while the S&P advanced 13%).



The World Gold Council reported today that physical gold demand remains strong, questioning the price weakness seen in paper markets. Additionally, gold supplies could be constrained in September if labor strikes are initiated in South Africa. There’s typically some positive seasonality to the gold price in August/September helped by India, which is still the largest single (28%) gold market.



Often this strength correlates with the Denver gold conference. The conference attracts many of the larger gold investors and given the other positives for the metal (and that the depressing effect of the Q2 results is past) we would not be surprised to see a stronger gold price in the run up to the show. We’d encourage shorter-term investors to consider getting long the gold space with a four to five week time horizon. This year the Denver Gold Forum will be from the 22nd to 25th September.



The World Gold Council shows that gold demand remains strong. China and India remain large physical buyers of the metal. We believe this highlights that enthusiasm for the metal remains strong amongst the majority of the world’s population. Indian demand is quite seasonal related to events and festivals. While some might argue for less Indian buying due to tougher regulations and the weaker rupee making the metal more expensive, the WGC data suggests the opposite. Perhaps fear of currency weakness lifts buying.



Paulson &Co’s gold purchases in 2010 put the spotlight on the metal, so it’s encouraging to see that the market was not disillusioned today after it was disclosed that this position was cut in half. Perhaps this news was seen positively because the overhang has been removed. The gold market may also have reacted to lower risk of "tapering”.



South African gold supply could step down in H2. South African wage negotiations have moved into a mediation phase and could move to plans for strikes by as early as next week. While South African production has fallen and it is now only about 5% of mine supply, production could step down again, given the significant wage demands, which could make parts of the industry there uneconomic.

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QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ Aug 17 2013, 11:22 PM)
Maybank and Public bank

Realized that physical is better, since I want to buy more , also there is a minimum amount to hold in the account if I ever intend to liquidate the entire accounts if prices drop or if I decide to cash out and invest in other things
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ohh.. i tot the banks freeze withdrawal sweat.gif
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Saw the spreads offered, not very attractive...
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well, they offer world wide recognise coins and bars. so when zero hour come, you can liquidate them anytime anywhere.

and more importantly, you do not necessary sellback to seller, I am sure there are other channels to sell eg ebay, mudah, facebook etc even on lowyat.
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ohh.. i tot the banks freeze withdrawal  sweat.gif
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afraid of that too. hence why am buying physical now


QUOTE(qwertyly @ Aug 18 2013, 01:04 AM)
well, they offer world wide recognise coins and bars. so when zero hour come, you can liquidate them anytime anywhere.

and more importantly, you do not necessary sellback to seller, I am sure there are other channels to sell eg ebay, mudah, facebook etc even on lowyat.
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Yup, I know it is recognized worldwide.. zero hour is nearer then most think though..

hmm, due to the nature of the items and quantity , I don't really want to to go about finding buyers, because it will be a risk for me




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QUOTE(bryanyeo87 @ Aug 17 2013, 11:22 PM)
Maybank and Public bank

Realized that physical is better, since I want to buy more , also there is a minimum amount to hold in the account if I ever intend to liquidate the entire accounts if prices drop or if I decide to cash out and invest in other things
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Of course physical is always better. I prefer them too. But I have storage problem as break in is very common nowadays. Paying for safe boxes in banks is gonna increase my investment costs. So I opt for GIA instead.

Maybank only needs 1g of gold remain in the acc whereas others min 10g.
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Has anyone ever brought from APMEX? How's the overall experience?
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is it good to invest in gold?
because yearly no dividend paid, unlike other investments...
hope the sifus here can advise...
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paper money is being paid dividend to cover inflation.

gold dont need dividend. so far the trend increase for the past 10 years.

if any company offer dividend for gold, it go against BNM policy.
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pheww, just sold all my GIA, left 1gm to maintain account @ RM142

better let go first and catch again next time
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pheww, just sold all my GIA, left 1gm to maintain account @ RM142

better let go first and catch again next time
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When you bought it? Nice exit time. smile.gif
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QUOTE(kazama82 @ Aug 19 2013, 11:30 AM)
paper money is being paid dividend to cover inflation.

gold dont need dividend. so far the trend increase for the past 10 years.

if any company offer dividend for gold, it go against BNM policy.
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What if they offer discretionary hibah on the gold instead? is that ok? brows.gif
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QUOTE(lanusb @ Aug 19 2013, 11:47 AM)
pheww, just sold all my GIA, left 1gm to maintain account @ RM142

better let go first and catch again next time
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How much u bought it? So u'll be praying hard for the price to drop so that u can enter again hah.... rclxms.gif
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What if they offer discretionary hibah on the gold instead? is that ok? brows.gif
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MBB GIA close today [1 Gram SellingMYR 148.30 Buying MYR 142.09]

....I bought at various price, RM151, rm148, rm135, rm129 and rm126(the most and t he lowest) last time bought high at rm151, so have been averaging like hell to keep the value low, finally reached rm140++, fast fast sell to cover cost + abit of holding cost + emotional cost (heart-ache pain when see price fall)
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QUOTE(lanusb @ Aug 19 2013, 05:45 PM)
MBB GIA close today [1 Gram SellingMYR 148.30 Buying MYR 142.09]

....I bought at various price, RM151, rm148, rm135, rm129 and rm126(the most and t he lowest) last time bought high at rm151, so have been averaging like hell to keep the value low, finally reached rm140++, fast fast sell to cover cost + abit of holding cost + emotional cost (heart-ache pain when see price fall)
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Good for you rclxms.gif

Less "heart Pain" for you smile.gif
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Gold Trades Below Two-Month High as Rally Spurs Investor Sales

“We saw a little bit of profit taking,” Afshin Nabavi, a senior vice president at bullion refiner MKS (Switzerland) SA in Geneva, said today by phone. “Physical demand is a little bit slower than last week because of the higher price level, but there is still some demand.”


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India has a way to increase the gold supply!!!

If it really work this time, there will be enough gold for internal circulation within India border and affect the global gold demand!!!

They are even going to melt down the jewellery!!!Every single piece of scrap gold they can get!!!

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India to launch Save Gold Campaign

The campaign is aiming to activate some of the gold currently lying fallow with individuals, banks, high networth individuals, charitable trusts and even temple trusts.

MUMBAI (MINEWEB) -

India's bullion industry is set to revive its gold deposit scheme in a bid to mobilise gold coins and bars lying idle.

The Save Gold Campaign (Swarna Bachao Abhiyan) is hoped will mop up some of the gold currently lying fallow with individuals, banks, high networth individuals, charitable trusts and even temple trusts, that is estimated to be as much as 25,000 tonness.

An announcement in this regard was made at the tenth anniversary of the India International Gold Convention currently on in Jaipur, the pink city.

The All India Gems and Jewellery Trade Federation held a meeting recently with disparate parties in a bid to tackle India’s growing demand for gold and the resultant widening current account deficit.

Vinod Hayagriv, ex-chairman of the All India Gems and Jewellery Trade Federation said India's apex bank, the RBI, is to frame and regulate the national gold deposit scheme, where eligible jewellers can mobilise gold through eligible banks.

Gold lying idle with corporates, individuals and temples can be unlocked and brought to the market, said DV Ramesh of Bangalore-based The Jewellers Association.

Haresh Soni, chairman of the Federation said the organisation would interact with the finance ministry to discuss the new guidelines.

The new scheme

While consumers would be exhorted to bring in idle gold to authorised jewellers, the jeweller in turn would check the authenticity of bullion or coins and issue a certificate and seal the gold, handing it back to the consumer.

In the case of jewellery, it would be melted down in the presence of the consumer before the certificate is issued.

The consumer would then have to take the sealed gold and authenticity certificate to the bank, which would issue a deposit certificate for a valid period, ranging from one and a half to three years.

After the said period, the depositor would get the gold back with interest as promised by the bank.

Hayagriv added that the campaign would attract over 100 tonnes of gold within a short period.

There are also talks to lend the idle gold to a non banking financial company (NBFC), which would be exclusively set up for the purpose. The NBFC would allow investors to withdraw the gold before the maturity period, and would lend the gold to jewellers.

The only drawback, as of now, that was made evident at the Jaipur conference was that investors would need to offer a minimum of 100 grams either of gold bars or coins to be eligible. Institutions would need to bring in at least 1 kilo gold.

"India’s increasing reliance on gold imports contrasts sharply with gold global supply which has remained largely static. When we look at the total Indian accumulation of gold [over time], it amounts to about 10% of world gold, amounting to around 18,000 to 19,000 tonnes. This is not taking into account the significant amount of scrap gold in the country,'' said Hayagriv.

Old Scheme

With the objective of bringing the privately held stock of gold into circulation, and reducing the country’s reliance on gold imports, the Indian government had rolled out a Gold Deposit Scheme through the State Bank of India in 1999. However, given the weak response, the scheme was withdrawn and re-launched with modifications in 2009.

However, leading public sector banks in India which launched the scheme did not promote it aggressively, ``as it was done as a government induced exercise.''

Moreover, the lack of facilities to melt the jewellery, test the purity of gold and convert it into bars proved to be a major hurdle. Banks incurred heavy expenditure to melt and convert the jewellery into pure gold bars.

None from the retailer and jeweller community were made a participant to the scheme. The concept also failed with uneducated women in rural areas, the unbanked part of the population, who were reluctant to part with their gold jewellery.

Women considered the melting and purifying cost as a reduction in the quantum of gold and the additional making charges, when the jewellery was remade, also proved to be a major deterrent.

Given the emotional attachment to gold jewellery across the country, the concept did not work well.

Thereafter, the government made certain amendments to the scheme. Mutual Funds and Gold Exchange Traded Funds registered with the Securities Exchange Board of India were asked to deposit part of their gold and make the scheme more attractive for individuals.

While the interest income from gold deposit scheme would be taxable like any other income, the gold deposited under the scheme would be exempt from Wealth tax.

Hayagriv said to make the scheme a success, there was an urgent need to have jewellers as stakeholders. ``Presently, jewellers do not have a major contribution. However, with their vast reach all over India and understanding of the gold market, retailers and jewellers can be a major contributor to the success of the scheme.''

"We have suggested that there should be no questions asked on the source of gold and that wealth tax should be applicable on the realisation of gold,'' he added.

The Federation has also asked that the quantum of gold mobilised under the scheme should be reported on a monthly or a quarterly basis. This, the Federation has held, would be a major factor to bring out idle gold lying in household lockers and in temple trusts across the country, and would help stem the Indian government's decision on gold imports.

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Buy 148, Sell 142 biggrin.gif
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holding gold is not a bad idea la... humans been doing this for >2000 yrs... biggrin.gif

but seriously, the biggest reason now is about the rm.

gomen/bnm seems not interested to keep rm strong.

rm looks set to get to 3.30 per usd (and that is supposedly to be a crap qe1-2-3 nobody want currency??) and 2.60 per sgd next few days.

some even say it's good to let it silde and slide so that palm oil cos. can make plenty. tongue.gif

but watch out for prices of chicken, bread and drugs...

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Spot price MYR144/g smile.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 19 2013, 06:57 PM)
holding gold is not a bad idea la... humans been doing this for >2000 yrs... biggrin.gif

but seriously, the biggest reason now is about the rm.

gomen/bnm seems not interested to keep rm strong.

rm looks set to get to 3.30 per usd (and that is supposedly to be a crap qe1-2-3 nobody want currency??) and 2.60 per sgd next few days.

some even say it's good to let it silde and slide so that palm oil cos. can make plenty.  tongue.gif

but watch out for prices of chicken, bread and drugs...
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Not only Palm oil but Rubber price also up ( sms 20 ) from 690 jump to 770 just in a few days ...
RM just a little bit Low frm SGD n Bath but some Malaysian very happy with this ...
But Gold always unbeatable ...
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The goldbugs in this country are taking double hit. Hit on price increase on PM itself and increase on USD.

When was the last time we heard from the finance minister and BNM? Where is MYR heading???
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Sorry, noob question. If I'm not mistaken, GIA doesn't involve in any physical gold and I assume it won't affect prices from demand supply. What about ETFs? Will it contribute in the outcome of the price from demand supply?
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U.S has NO GOLD

GERmany DEMANDS their gold back!

The U.S Feds REFUSES to allow GERmay to inspect their OWN gold!





Now you know WHY gold was whacked down.
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IS OBAMA GOING TO CRUSH GOLD AGAIN?

He is going to have a meeting with Top bankers and financiers tonight.
Last time they had a meeting, this happened

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IS OBAMA GOING TO CRUSH GOLD AGAIN?

He is going to have a meeting with Top bankers and financiers tonight.
Last time they had a meeting, this happened

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-19/o...ld-market-again
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If it drops to $1200, start to buy again ! laugh.gif
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Any news or systom to enter again into the gold market at RM148.90 currently?
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If it drops to $1200, start to buy again !  laugh.gif
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if drop below 1200, then surely people will buy
but its most unlikely.
looking at the trend, it barely survive between 1300-1350
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heh heh, thank god I sold most yesterday and now sitting and eating popcorn, enjoying the movie........later when down low only buy again
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heh heh, thank god I sold most yesterday and now sitting and eating popcorn, enjoying the movie........later when down low only buy again
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yea, u did a great job. everytime i see the price drop from 1380 to now 1365, i thought of u. great job again
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Gold Slumps on Stimulus Concern as Commodities Selloff Deepens

Gold fell for a second day, heading for the first back-to-back drop in two weeks, as investors assessed the prospect of reduced U.S. stimulus and a rally to a two-month high damped demand. Silver slumped by the most in six weeks, while platinum and palladium declined with commodities.

“Prices dropped quickly as some investors started to close out positions to reduce risks before the Fed releases its minutes,” said Guan Bingren, a trader at Shanghai Hedge International Trading Co. “This is also related to the broad selloff today.”


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I'm ready to make a grand entry into gold investment anytime in the soonest future since doing a complete exit in Sept '2011.

Meanwhile, my Maxis stocks have appreciated in price from ~RM5 to ~RM7 and been collecting reasonable dividends every 3 months for a few years already.

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Gold futures wobble with Fed, India in focus

Gold futures wavered around the flat line on Tuesday ahead of the release of the latest Federal Reserve policy-meeting minutes, with demand from India a possible wild card in waiting.

The markets have proved very sensitive to any clues as to when the Fed will begin slowing the pace of its stimulative bond buying, currently at $85 billion a month.

The purchases are widely seen as supportive of gold prices, in part by pushing the U.S. currency lower, making dollar-denominated gold cheaper for holders of other currencies.

“The bulk of rural India’s income is derived from the agriculture sector, and a more bountiful harvest may lead to an increase in physical-gold buying ahead of the festive season later this year,” wrote HSBC analysts
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Woliao spread cimb gia very big... 15x vs 136.. Gila apa
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If it drops to $1200, start to buy again !  laugh.gif
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Yeah.... Ready to grab more and more... Get it fall!
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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Aug 20 2013, 06:14 PM)
I'm ready to make a grand entry into gold investment anytime in the soonest future since doing a complete exit in Sept '2011.

Meanwhile, my Maxis stocks have appreciated in price from ~RM5 to ~RM7 and been collecting reasonable dividends every 3 months for a few years already.
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You Da man!    thumbup.gif    rolleyes.gif
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Lol!, ...don't be jelly.
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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Aug 21 2013, 09:35 AM)
Lol!, ...don't be jelly.
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I am not jelly.

I bought gold in 2002 for $230 p oz....how can I be jelly?

No need to shew off.......... yawn.gif
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wow, jewel gold 916 shoot from rm155/g last sunday with new rate rm165/g since this monday.

luckily i purchased a 20g gold ring at rm145/g + rm4/g(labour) using 12 months 0% installment

how cool
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 21 2013, 09:36 AM)
I am not jelly.

I bought gold in 2002 for $230 p oz....how can I be jelly?

No need to shew off..........  yawn.gif
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Physical gold? Wow, now I'm damn jelly u d.
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Physical gold? Wow, now I'm damn jelly u d.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 21 2013, 09:36 AM)
I am not jelly.

I bought gold in 2002 for $230 p oz....how can I be jelly?

No need to shew off..........  yawn.gif
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Physical gold? Wow, now I'm damn jelly u d.
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The problem with the accumulation of physical gold is when you want to sell them.
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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Aug 21 2013, 09:59 AM)
I'm b4 you, ...1991.
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That's nice............but you would have been, as Cherroy always pointed out, suffering for many years. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 21 2013, 10:03 AM)
That's nice............but you would have been, as Cherroy always pointed out, suffering for many years.     biggrin.gif
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Gold as a part of investment is fantastic and it's my hopeful wish to get into it again soon.

When I was younger, I can only afford to pickup 1 piece at a time every several months setting aside 8% of my income monthly so, I feel awesome whereas others might have just spend all their income away, instead.

By the way, Cheeroy should never have seen the cup as half empty.

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The problem with the accumulation of physical gold is when you want to sell them.
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I'm sure there's way to sell it. Imagine everyone hoard gold, and the market is out of it.
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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Aug 21 2013, 10:06 AM)
Gold as a part of investment is fantastic and it's my hopeful wish to get into it again soon.

When I was younger, I can only afford to pickup 1 piece at a time every several months setting aside 8% of my income so, I feel awesome whereas others might have just spend all their income away, instead.

By the way, Cheeroy should never have seen the cup as half empty.
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I presume at the time you were probably buying Kruggers, Maples, Pamps or Eagles?

I was studying gold from 1998 to 2000 before taking the plunge in 2002.
This was after the asean crisis in 1998.

Interesting times in the last 10 years.

Cherroy was sharing his pains.....cant see the full half. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 21 2013, 10:03 AM)
That's nice............but you would have been, as Cherroy always pointed out, suffering for many years.    biggrin.gif
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This is real life experience.
I am not discourage people to have gold, in fact, I always view gold is a good option for asset allocation/diversification.

Just do not take for granted having gold must inflation hedge or must go up, as gold had its own lost decades as well. smile.gif

QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Aug 21 2013, 10:06 AM)
Gold as a part of investment is fantastic and it's my hopeful wish to get into it again soon.

When I was younger, I can only afford to pickup 1 piece at a time every several months setting aside 8% of my income monthly so, I feel awesome whereas others might have just spend all their income away, instead.

By the way, Cheeroy should never have seen the cup as half empty.
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Whether I see it is half empty or not, it doesn't matter, as said, this is experience people had gone through. smile.gif

There is risk associated with gold investment, aka I am not fear about gold price plunging but the main risk is price stagnation.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 21 2013, 10:20 AM)
I presume at the time you were probably buying Kruggers, Maples, Pamps or Eagles?

I was studying gold from 1998 to 2000 before taking the plunge in 2002.
This was after the asean crisis in 1998.

Interesting times in the last 10 years. 

Cherroy was sharing his pains.....cant see the full half.    biggrin.gif
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You can say I was born at the wrong time. wink.gif

Difference experience gone through by individual, may have different view. smile.gif
When the cup is half, either half full or half empty also right.

Once bitten by snake, then always wary about snake.
So I am more cautious towards gold. But still gold is can be good alternative asset.

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This is real life experience.
I am not discourage people to have gold, in fact, I always view gold is a good option for asset allocation/diversification.

Just do not take for granted having gold must inflation hedge or must go up, as gold had its own lost decades as well.  smile.gif
Whether I see it is half empty or not, it doesn't matter, as said, this is experience people had gone through.  smile.gif
I think life experience does not equate fundamentals of investing.

Indeed, one cannot take for granted investing in ANYTHING, not just gold for the matter.

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I presume at the time you were probably buying Kruggers, Maples, Pamps or Eagles?

I was studying gold from 1998 to 2000 before taking the plunge in 2002.
This was after the asean crisis in 1998.

Interesting times in the last 10 years. 

Cherroy was sharing his pains.....cant see the full half.    biggrin.gif
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Maple leaf, of course.

Well, you're right on the money of gold trail remarkable ascension ...incredibly wonderful the timing of your "gold" entry couldn't be any better.

Sweet times, indeed as I'd recalled having taken the plunge in year 2000 (so I understood and shared similar suffering for the longest time of price stagnation that Cherroy's had undergone) with all the profits gained from our country's stock exchange superBull run of year 1993.

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Hi,
I'm new to this topic..
Just want to know something about physical maple gold coins from UOB..
If i bought it from malaysia, can I sell it in other countries like UOB in Singapore?
Will there be any extra charges or will it just follow the table from their website?

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Many bought gold to defense increased of fiat money supply by QE. As QE tapering is imminent, does it mean gold price will drop further?

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Many bought gold to defense increased of fiat money supply by QE. As QE tapering is imminent, does it mean gold price will drop further?
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Market generally move ahead before real action being taken one.

Since the word "taper" coming out, we already see how gold price tumbling down from 17xx to 14xx.

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Market generally move ahead before real action being taken one.

Since the word "taper" coming out, we already see how gold price tumbling down from 17xx to 14xx.
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I have a feeling they will punch thru 1400 tonite ...or close
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Gold up after U.S. jobs data

Gold rose on Thursday as the dollar trimmed earlier gains and U.S. Treasury yields moved lower after U.S. jobless claims showed a rise last week, taking some steam out of expectations the Federal Reserve would taper monetary stimulus in September.

Traders said that strong demand from the major Asian gold consumers, notably China, and a reversal of outflows from gold-backed exchange-traded funds could give the metal a boost.

Jitters over precious metals supply are also rising in South Africa, source of three out of four ounces of the world's platinum and the world's sixth largest gold producer.


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andd increase today by 1 sen. CIMB though... spread become larger.

gonna wait next week see how... some speculate it would drop but didnt happen
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Guys,

I wanted to let you all know I will 'taper' my longs holding around 1385-1395 area. tongue.gif

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andd increase today by 1 sen. CIMB though... spread become larger.

gonna wait next week see how... some speculate it would drop but didnt happen
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hmm... it moved up and down and in the end, back to where it was last weekend. overall, it's stagnant. no fun this week. we'll see what happens next week then.
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Want to make fast money with Gold ?
Why some 1 hopes drop of the Gold price ?
Also somebody waiting for rebound in Gold price ...
But ...
EVERY BODY NEEDS GOLD IN THEIR EVERY DAY LIFE ...DO U AGREE ? whistling.gif
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Gold little changed as stimulus scale-back concerns in focus

Gold struggled to break through a tight trading range and was little changed on Friday after strong U.S. jobs and manufacturing data added to concerns about an imminent pull-back in the Federal Reserve's commodities - friendly stimulus measures.

"A stronger dollar is discouraging some demand," said Ronald Leung at dealer and refiner Lee Cheong Gold Dealers in Hong Kong. "Demand is very quiet now but it could pick up if prices fall below $1,350."

Demand in top buyers India and China has been subdued ahead of a peak wedding and festival season that kicks off next month. "Once the summer is over, we will see consistent buying from September through the end of the year," said Peter Fung, head of dealing at Hong Kong's Wing Fung Precious Metals.


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Gold’s Rout Spurs Surge in Indonesian Demand: Southeast Asia

Gold jewelry demand in Indonesia is set to expand to a four-year high as consumers in Southeast Asia’s biggest buyer join India to China in increasing purchases as prices slump and the middle class expands.

Consumption of necklaces, bracelets and rings will probably climb to 40 metric tons this year, according to Iskandar Husin, secretary-general of the Indonesian Goldsmiths and Jewelers Association. That’s a 30 percent increase from 30.8 tons in 2012, and the most since 41 tons in 2009, data from the London-based World Gold Council show.

“Gold jewelry is all about lifestyle and saving,” Husin said in an interview in Jakarta. “It’s a market driven by the increase in GDP and modern Indonesian women, who are following the trends in fashion and design.”

The increase in demand has helped producers including PT Aneka Tambang. (ANTM) The state-run mining company known as Antam said on July 30 that first-half revenue rose 37 percent to 6.125 trillion rupiah ($568 million) from a year earlier, with gold sales accounting for 46 percent of the total. The company, which runs a precious-metals refinery in Jakarta, sold 5.5 tons of gold in the period, up 51 percent from last year.
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looksl ike its gonna go up next week too....well for those who want to earn short term, imagine buying at rm130/gram (buy 100kg) then price goes up to rm140/gram (sell 100kg)

can make money lo....within this week
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looksl ike its gonna go up next week too....well for those who want to earn short term, imagine buying at rm130/gram  (buy 100kg) then price goes up to rm140/gram (sell 100kg)

can make money lo....within this week
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it shoot up to 1392 within seconds
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Half gone at 1395..

Keeping the other half with trailing here. If it can burst thru 1400, so be it. I'll let them ride. biggrin.gif
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I think they can punch through 1, 400, hopefully close for the weekend and let asia follow through on monday morning trade
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[WTBuy] All your gold bullion/bars coins/chains. Any QTY below 500gr per trx. Price offered is +1% above spot price. Now is a good time to liquidate/cash out if you want smile.gif

Limited cash ready. We lock price first. COD/Post/Pickup over the weekend.
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I have a feeling they will punch thru 1400 tonite ...or close
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your prediction is 24 hours late.. lol... but good guess


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I think they can punch through 1, 400, hopefully close for the weekend and let asia follow through on monday morning trade
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Usually u guys refer to which gold price... Since every bank give diff quotation
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Usually u guys refer to which gold price... Since every bank give diff quotation
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High-end customers not perturbed with rally in gold prices; No demand from mass market

Demand for gold jewellery for the upcoming wedding season this year has been largely restricted to the high-end customers who are not perturbed with the rally in gold prices. There is hardly any demand from the mass market as gold has rallied.

"The orders are being placed only by high-end customers who are planning in advance for the family wedding. They want the bride to wear certain designer jewellery during the wedding and so they are placing orders now. They want the jewellery to be delivered much ahead of the wedding day. These are planned buying. However, there is no demand from the mass market.

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oohhhyeaaaaaaahhhh.....

now im making profit finally! but at 5-7% though...

144 buy 150 sell cimb
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 23 2013, 10:41 PM)
Half gone at 1395..

Keeping the other half with trailing here. If it can burst thru 1400, so be it. I'll let them ride.  biggrin.gif
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Sifu, I also tempted to sell at this price. But after selling, I will be holding RM.

I think it is now a bet on RM cum gold. If I bet RM will depreciate further, then I should hold gold. If RM will hold its ground, I should sell gold

Don't know what to do....any advice ? notworthy.gif
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Maybank Gold Investment Account
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26-Aug-13  150.66  144.36
Last update :  26-Aug-13 at 08:44:18 AM
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MBB GIA
26-Aug-13 151.50 145.17
Last update : 26-Aug-13 at 01:21:18 PM
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Gold hits 11-week high, briefly tops $1,400

Gold was trading near 11-week highs on Monday after briefly breaking above the $1,400 mark, buoyed by weak U.S. data and inflows into the world's biggest bullion-backed exchange traded fund.

"We are generally coming out of the summer doldrums and people are looking for gold trade ideas," said one Hong Kong-based precious metals trader.

"We are in the aftermath of a highly distressed slowdown so people still see some value in it, at least as a trade if not a longer term investment."

Hedge funds and money managers boosted bullish bets in gold futures and options to their highest level since early February, buoyed by the uncertain timing of the Fed's planned unwinding of its bond-buying stimulus, a report by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission showed on Friday.
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Aug 26 2013, 01:46 PM)
Sifu, I also tempted to sell at this price. But after selling, I will be holding RM.

I think it is now a bet on RM cum gold. If I bet RM will depreciate further, then I should hold gold. If RM will hold its ground, I should sell gold

Don't know what to do....any advice ?  notworthy.gif
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I dunno man - I don't play Ringgit in relation to Gold. The 3rd party exchange made Ringgit a losing trade either long or short side.
USD to Gold is good now, Yen to Gold is bad. That's the two currencies I play in relation to Gold.

Right now, Gold up, USD up, the others down.


I'm still holding the other half.. either break 1400 and drop back to 1350. Raising my stop to 1385.




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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 26 2013, 10:27 PM)
I dunno man - I don't play Ringgit in relation to Gold. The 3rd party exchange made Ringgit a losing trade either long or short side.
USD to Gold is good now, Yen to Gold is bad. That's the two currencies I play in relation to Gold.

Right now, Gold up, USD up, the others down. 
I'm still holding the other half.. either break 1400 and drop back to 1350.  Raising my stop to 1385.
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I have not much confident with RM. I think I am going to hold.

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feels like it droping soon

xknow want to sell or ride it out?

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hold rm and go shopping buy things to make yourself happy, watch /car / house
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QUOTE(number79 @ Aug 27 2013, 09:41 AM)
Maybank Gold Investment Account
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27-Aug-13  153.07  146.63
Last update :  27-Aug-13 at 09:18:02 AM
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Nice... I wonder if majority is gonna ride on or sell.
I'm thinking of selling off 1/3.
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Gonna ride it out...
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Looking forward till end of 2013 gold have to be remain @ stagnant as now ...
Reason of Sep to Dec NO MORE BIG bussiness activity hmm.gif
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I have not much confident with RM. I think I am going to hold.

notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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current situation with all that we can know:

there is good reason to think gold can go either way at current price.

there is no good reason to think rm will not keep falling, maybe overshoot to 3.50 per usd.

not a bad idea to hold and watch a little longer, imo....
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 27 2013, 10:41 AM)
current situation with all that we can know:

there is good reason to think gold can go either way at current price.

there is no good reason to think rm will not keep falling, maybe overshoot to 3.50 per usd.

not a bad idea to hold and watch a little longer, imo....
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That's what I thought too notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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Guess buying gold is becoming a defensive instrument for RM. Fearing more outflow of forex, who know like India, the gomen may impose import duty on gold in next budget?


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Guess buying gold is becoming a defensive instrument for RM. Fearing more outflow of forex, who know like India, the gomen may impose import duty on gold in next budget?
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Worry BLR will increase, so means FD also increase.

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Guess buying gold is becoming a defensive instrument for RM. Fearing more outflow of forex, who know like India, the gomen may impose import duty on gold in next budget?
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we dont import as much gold as india.
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Gold hits 12-week high on Syria war jitters, Fed taper uncertainty

Gold futures edged higher on Tuesday, briefly climbing above the key USD1,400-level amid ongoing uncertainty over whether the Federal Reserve will begin tapering its stimulus program next month.

Moves in the gold price this year have largely tracked shifting expectations as to whether the U.S. central bank would end its quantitative easing program sooner-than-expected.

Gold traders have closely been looking out for U.S. data reports recently to gauge if they will strengthen or weaken the case for the Fed to reduce its bond purchases.

Any improvement in the U.S. economy was likely to reinforce the view that the central bank will begin to taper its bond purchase program in the coming months.

The central bank is scheduled to meet September 17-18 to review the economy and assess policy.

Meanwhile, some safe haven buying emerged amid growing speculation the U.S. and other Western nations will intervene in Syria in wake of allegations that Bashar al-Assad’s government forces used chemical weaponry against civilians.

An exit from the stimulus would deal a heavy blow to gold, which has thrived on demand from investors who buy gold to hedge against the inflationary risks of loose monetary policies.
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Go go go, hit 160 n i cash out for other investment.
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Go go go, hit 160 n i cash out for other investment.
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how much u bought it? mind sharing? biggrin.gif
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how much u bought it? mind sharing?  biggrin.gif
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i mean the price. notworthy.gif
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yes because of war

gold price will increase more
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i mean the price.  notworthy.gif
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mixed.

7x grm @ 168
rm3k~6k at 150

i forgoten the numbers adey sad.gif

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mixed.

7x grm @ 168
rm3k~6k at 150

i forgoten the numbers adey sad.gif
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hit 160 not enough. 170 at least... tongue.gif
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hit 160 not enough. 170 at least...  tongue.gif
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price keep on increasing. what are the main factor sifu's?
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price keep on increasing. what are the main factor sifu's?
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Uncertainty about reduction in monetary stimulus by the Federal Reserve



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still thinking to sell off or not.

bought at RM129.98 smile.gif
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still thinking to sell off or not.

bought at RM129.98 smile.gif
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still thinking to sell off or not.

bought at RM129.98 smile.gif
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Just wondering. What's is the highest price that ppl buy here? My highest price was rm148.51
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To hold or not, u already earn. It's a matter of earning more or less.
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but i only bought 60+gram, should have bought more but no money that time smile.gif

thinking to sell off or hold it as an asset.

what do you think?
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QUOTE(888kb24 @ Aug 27 2013, 11:02 PM)
but i only bought 60+gram, should have bought more but no money that time smile.gif

thinking to sell off or hold it as an asset.

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I would hang on a little while longer like for the next few days and enjoy the ride. Would love to see POG crack 1, 426.

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It was a nice dip.. I've reloaded at 1390. Back in full position.
I want see it burst thru 1425 and go to 1450 as next target. biggrin.gif
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but i only bought 60+gram, should have bought more but no money that time smile.gif

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Can hold longer. Some even say it will go up somemore.

I on the other hand, waiting for it to drop slightly lower to enter.
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I plan to hold till early or mid of Sept. And sell everything few days prior Fed next meeting in mid of Sept. It looks like QE taper is on the way.

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Is gold rise just a dead cat bounce?

By Garry White, and Emma Rowley

What is driving this tentative recovery in the market for the “safe haven” metal? A key factor may be that the sell-off in exchange-traded funds backed by gold has passed its worst.

“Support has come from the financial market turmoil in emerging economies, geopolitical tension in Syria and Egypt, together with the fact that gold holdings in exchange-traded products has been stable for a couple of weeks,” says Ole Hansen, head of commodity strategy at Saxo Bank.

“[That] could be taken as a sign that most of the institutional selling may be over or at least paused.”

John Paulson, the legendary hedge fund manager, may have more than halved his stake in the world’s biggest gold-backed exchange traded fund (ETF), the SPDR Gold Trust, in the second quarter of the year but this has not dampened investors’ spirits.

That may seem counterintuitive, after all, people watch what Paulson and his peers do in the hope that they represent the “smart money” to follow. However, some traders blame gold’s fall to its low on the last day of June on selling by these gold-backed funds to meet clients’ request to exit their positions.

Some now hope funds are close to finished in terms of selling their gold, after an outflow of 402 tonnes from ETFs over the quarter. To put that in context, that wiped out the bulk of the buying by ETFs across 2011 and 2012 put together.

Meanwhile, outside the investment world, Indian and Chinese demand for gold has been strong, while the fall in the price has likewise stimulated retail investors to buy gold bars and coins.

Together, consumer buying of the metal rose by 53pc to a total 1,083 tonnes in the second quarter of this year compared to 2012, the World Gold Council reported in its latest quarterly update.

That left overall global demand at 856 tonnes, 12pc below its level a year ago, according to the Council’s figures.

Some think that if the heavy selling period is over, the gold price has quite a bit further to rally, up to $1,450 an ounce or above. And yet, it still looks risky to call this anything more than – potentially – a short-term floor for the price.

Why? Look to the Federal Reserve again. The gold price plunge in recent months has been largely driven by the expectation that the US central bank will start to unwind its vast quantitative easing (QE) effort, which, given its inflationary effect, puts some lustre on gold as a store of wealth. On a broader level, the backdrop of an improving global economy – which allows the Fed to unwind QE – further erodes the appeal of gold as a hedge.

Of course, when the Fed will act is not totally clear. On Thursday the minutes of its latest monthly policy meeting led people to take differing views on when the wind-down of purchases – the so-called “taper” – will begin.

Analysts at Morgan Stanley saw the “key takeaway” as being that the Fed remains on track to taper its QE purchases in September.

“Fed officials are well aware that market participants generally see a September announcement of a start to QE tapering as likely, and they did nothing with these minutes to warn investors away from that view”, they said. “In our view, the recent gold price rally will likely fade towards year-end as the headwinds that have pressured gold throughout the year re-emerge.”

These are, in their view, a strengthening dollar – as QE is removed – driving up bond yields, which lessen the attraction of holding gold, which is a non-yielding asset, and “a continuing erosion in investor faith” in the metal.

Still, there is nothing like agreement in this area, with Saxo Bank making the call that QE tapering is a “temporary sideshow” which will be followed by “more QE coming in 2014, not less” on the back of negative economic data.

All that is clear is that the Fed holds the gold price in its hands.


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I plan to hold till early or mid of Sept. And sell everything few days prior Fed next meeting in mid of Sept. It looks like QE taper is on the way.
why is it on?


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Fed seen making first taper move in September
View from Jackson Hole retreat

JACKSON HOLE, Wyo. (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve seems on track for a small reduction in the pace of its asset purchase program in September, according to experts attending the central bank’s annual retreat in Jackson Hole.

There was a palpable sense at the gathering that Fed officials are eager to bring the era of extraordinary policy stimulus to an end.

Read what business economists expect of Fed taper

“There is a yearning to get back to normal” said John Taylor, the Stanford University economist, in an interview.

Jim O’Sullivan, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, said “the message is right now that they go in September. I haven’t heard anything to suggest expectations for a September move are off-base.”

Barry Eichengreen, an economist from the University of California Berkeley, said he sensed that the central bankers were looking past potential pitfalls.

“I think there is a desire to return to conventional monetary policy, but we don’t have a normal economy,” Eichengreen said.

He said he was surprised how little “visible alarm” there was from Fed officials about recent volatility in emerging markets tied to the Fed’s tapering plan.

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said the Fed would start to pull back from its $85 billion-a-month asset purchase program “later this year” if the economy continues to improve as expected.

Markets expect the Fed to cut the asset purchase plan by $20 billion in September.

O’Sullivan said the Fed might engineer a smaller $10 billion reduction at first.

Many participants at the Jackson Hole conference want the central bank to wait until later in the year.

They note there are an impressive array of challenges that await the central bank this fall.

For example, Congress and the White House have made no apparent progress on any way to end the bitter divide over fiscal policy. In addition, a spike in interest rates since the talk of taper started could stall the housing market and emerging market economies are slowing down in part due to take of a Fed exit.

After September, there are two more Fed policy meetings this year, one in October and the last in December.

“I think it is too soon,” said Susan Collins, dean of the University of Michigan’s Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy. She noted that recent economic indicators has been mixed.

A September move “could be premature,” agreed Eichengreen.

But others argued that September was as good a time as any to move.

“The sooner, the better to get started,” said Taylor. Otherwise you just keep postponing the inevitable, he said.

Bernanke, whose views may decide whether the Fed moves in September, didn't attend this year’s Jackson Hole retreat.

Former Fed Gov. Randy Kroszner said he favored a small “step down” in September, after which there could be a pause for the central bank to gauge the impact on the markets and the economy.

If all goes well, the Fed could then reduce the pace of purchases over the next seven meetings until the middle of next year, Kroszner said.

Others weren't so sure that the tapering path would be so smooth.

“Everyone is realizing that tapering is not going to be easy,” said former Fed Gov. Lawrence Lindsey.

Interest rates spiked over 100 basis points just on talk from the Fed of a pullback.

“The Fed is learning it is hard to wean the addict off the drug,” Lindsey said.

Collins said that the markets might have to cope with “a range of views” from Fed officials about the right course of action.

“Hopefully markets are not going to overreact,” she said.

Glenn Hubbard, dean of the Columbia University Gradual School of Business, said he thinks the Fed will wait until December to slow the pace of purchases due to an absence of a clear sense of the economy’s direction.

One factor that may be driving the Fed is the transition to new leadership. Bernanke is widely seen as leaving his post when his term ends in January. A spirited debate has broken out over whether former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers of Fed Vice Chair Janet Yellen would replace him.

“The Fed would like to be headed toward exit on Bernanke’s watch,” said Vincent Reinhart, chief U.S. economist at Morgan Stanley.

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OMG gold have seen been growing every since the 2nd drop.

0.0 mind to share what's the factor that causes this to happen.

i've monitor our ringgit have significantly drop quite alot. but i am sure there are more factors than just currency.

would like to hear more from your point of view.

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the fundamental to sell off my gold and silver.

currently 916 is rm170/g. When reach rm180/g, its time to offload all.

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Appears none of them are Jack SURE! biggrin.gif

Are you?


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OMG...i was looking at the chart. it was 1421/oz and it shot up to 1426/oz in a split second

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Drums of war are really beating, oil prices have spiked up.!!
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Like war on Libya, war on Syria is likely will be limited and short.

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What hapening to Gold price ?
Huhhh ...Need another BOX lolllll to keep for longer time ... cheers.gif
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Appears none of them are Jack SURE!    biggrin.gif

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Yes, you are right, no one in the market really know what Fed will do, I bet even Bernake himself is not 100% sure.

But we at the same time have not heard anything that the taper maybe delay, so I believe Fed is on track, but at lower level, not as much as 85billion, to test the market.

Another important piece of hint is the US Aug payroll report due Sept 6, one last piece of important info between now and Sept meeting.

So to be safe, I will off load my truck early next month after the Aug payroll report out (maybe to load the truck with more) and see what will happen next.

No harm to keep the gun powder in my own pocket dry and safe to prepare for next shot.

Oh yes, if you believe gold's going to go up, buy silver.
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Yes, you are right, no one in the market really know what Fed will do, I bet even Bernake himself is not 100% sure.

But we at the same time have not heard anything that the taper maybe delay, so I believe Fed is on track, but at lower level, not as much as 85billion, to test the market.

Another important piece of hint is the US Aug payroll report due Sept 6, one last piece of important info between now and Sept meeting.

So to be safe, I will off load my truck early next month after the Aug payroll report out (maybe to load the truck with more) and see what will happen next.

No harm to keep the gun powder in my own pocket dry and safe to prepare for next shot.

Oh yes, if you believe gold's going to go up, buy silver.
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Yes, you are right, no one in the market really know what Fed will do, I bet even Bernake himself is not 100% sure.

But we at the same time have not heard anything that the taper maybe delay, so I believe Fed is on track, but at lower level, not as much as 85billion, to test the market.

Another important piece of hint is the US Aug payroll report due Sept 6, one last piece of important info between now and Sept meeting.

So to be safe, I will off load my truck early next month after the Aug payroll report out (maybe to load the truck with more) and see what will happen next.

No harm to keep the gun powder in my own pocket dry and safe to prepare for next shot.

Oh yes, if you believe gold's going to go up, buy silver.
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my indicator , not what pipu say, is the unemployment rate.

My take is this: If they take their foot off the pedal, the interest rates will go up.
This will tank the U.S economy which is not showing many signs of growth.

No One wants a depression. Bennanke is a anti deflation bug, He rather inflation which is felt the world over now
because of his policies.

Its not yet.

As for gold and silver, I have BOTH. biggrin.gif
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My take is this: If they take their foot off the pedal, the interest rates will go up.
This will tank the U.S economy which is not showing many signs of growth.
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This is my take....its up to you to DYODD.

101 econ: If you raise interest rates, costs of doing biz goes up. If biz is already bad, guess what will happen? biggrin.gif
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Anyone else think Armageddon is soon?

Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia

A grim “urgent action memorandum” issued today from the office of President Putin to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is ordering a “massive military strike” against Saudi Arabia in the event that the West attacks Syria.

According to Kremlin sources familiar with this extraordinary “war order,” Putin became “enraged” after his early August meeting with Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan who warned that if Russia did not accept the defeat of Syria, Saudi Arabia would unleash Chechen terrorists under their control to cause mass death and chaos during the Winter Olympics scheduled to be held 7-23 February 2014 in Sochi, Russia.

Lebanese newspaper As-Safir confirmed this amazing threat against Russia saying that Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord by stating: “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us.”

http://www.eutimes.net/2013/08/putin-order...-attacks-syria/
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war on the card! time to load up more, no?
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Gold Climbs to Highest Since May as Syria Tensions Spur Demand

Gold surged for a fifth day to the highest level since May as speculation that the U.S. may lead military strikes against Syria within days spurred investors’ demand for a haven. Silver climbed to a four-month high.

“The market is really focused on the safe-haven aspect,” said David Lennox, a resource analyst at Fat Prophets. “There was a bit of risk off the table, with equity markets heading south on the back of escalating words about actions on Syria.”

Assets in the SPDR Gold Trust reached the highest since Aug. 1, gaining 0.1 percent to 921.03 metric tons, according to the fund’s website. Holdings rose for a second week in the five days to Aug. 23 as prices rebounded from a 34-month low in June.
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so if US tak jadi hit syria, will the price come down?
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Now already USD1425/oz shakehead.gif
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so if US tak jadi hit syria, will the price come down?
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the buy price in GIA is around rm160/g now. will anyone buy at this price?
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USD1430/oz shakehead.gif
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Few mth back was worried of the water fall price frm 1400 - 1185
Now getting headache of HOW TO HANDLE the increase price n still going UP hmm.gif
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Time to hold/sell?
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USD1415/oz now smile.gif
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gold price dropped slightly today
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gold price dropped slightly today
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Can any one recommend me where to buy gold?
Im currently buy from public bank and they charge 4% plus market price
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Im not holding gold on long term basis my motive is to trade them
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Can any one recommend me where to buy gold?
Im currently buy from public bank and they charge 4% plus market price
Which i think is too ridiculously high  icon_question.gif
Im not holding gold on long term basis my motive is to trade them
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Should buy from UOB. lower gap.
http://jinjack.net/vdraw/grab/gold_rate/

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Should buy from UOB. lower gap.
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But cant trade online via UOB...
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But cant trade online via UOB...
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I rather save a couple hundred of MYR and then walk to UOB branch.

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I rather save a couple hundred of MYR and then walk to UOB branch.
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need to work.. can't go out easily...cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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If will save a lot one,
my break even was RM139.95 (April), now earn 6%+.
If maybank then earn 3%+ only
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If will save a lot one,
my break even was RM139.95 (April), now earn 6%+.
If maybank then earn 3%+ only
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haiz.. wat to do...T_T working life...
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155.02.....
153.88 now (mbb)

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guys, im new to GIA actually. the price stated in maybank's website is 1417/oz which is 153.88/g. now, gold prize dropped to 1409/oz. how come maybank is still at 1417, following the price at last update at 9:58am? they are not using the live spot price?
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Frm 1185 JUMP to 1410 just in 2 - 3 mth thats ok
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Gold down modestly on slightly stronger dollar

Gold traded slightly lower in the early part of Thursday’s Asian session as the U.S. dollar gained some strength against most of its major rivals.

Gold prices shot up on Tuesday amid concerns that the U.S. may launch limited missile strikes against Syria for its alleged use of chemical weapons in its civil war despite warnings to avoid such actions from Russia, China and Iran.

Amid the geopolitical tumult, traders moved out of gold in slight fashion to embrace the U.S. dollar as a safe-have alternative.

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Now already USD1405/oz, small drop from yesterday smile.gif
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guys, im new to GIA actually. the price stated in maybank's website is 1417/oz which is 153.88/g. now, gold prize dropped to 1409/oz. how come maybank is still at 1417, following the price at last update at 9:58am? they are not using the live spot price?
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what time does the gold counter close for online banking?

i'm looking to pick some up if possible.
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Just enter yesterday and drop today...  cry.gif
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.since you are already on the gold train, so chillax and enjoy the ride.. brows.gif brows.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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Gold falls after five-day rise as Syria attack concerns ease

Gold fell on Thursday after a five-day rally that pushed it to its highest since mid-May, as concern abated that US-led forces would soon launch a military strike on Syria, while investors awaited US data for clues on the Federal Reserve’s next move.

"The main development today is just a bit of relaxation in the market that we are not going to see an imminent attack on Syria and we are seeing some risk coming back and a stronger dollar," Saxo Bank senior manager Ole Hansen said.

“Whether Fed tapering will begin is hinged on data outcomes, so participants will be looking out for whether the data is strong or soft,” said Alexandra Knight, an economist at National Australia Bank Ltd.

Demand for physical gold in Asia slowed this week as spot prices surged and emerging market currencies plunged. Premiums in Singapore, Hong Kong and Tokyo all fell from two weeks ago.

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Now MYR149/g smile.gif
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You know what? The banks are very efficient when prices are up (faster2 change, sometimes few times a day) but very slow when prices dropped (sometimes they won't change at all)  shakehead.gif
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Yea. I notice that. They r trying all sorts of ways to win our money.
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QUOTE(MYlover @ Aug 29 2013, 12:55 PM)
let us pray it.... up up up up up 175!!! tongue.gif
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Gonna go up again.
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QUOTE(kazama82 @ Aug 29 2013, 07:16 PM)
gold is long term...is not like you buy today, and profit tomorrow..

.since you are already on the gold train, so chillax and enjoy the ride.. brows.gif  brows.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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haha the problem is..... dropping again today icon_question.gif
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Bursa Malaysia Derivative Berhad (BMD) Gold Futures
Pending regulatory approval, Bursa Malaysia Derivative Berhad (BMD) will list Gold futures (tag1151-SecurityGroup=FGLD, tag 55-Symbol=BG) for trading on CME Globex in Q3 2013. The production launch date will be announced in the CME Globex Notices as soon as it is available.

These futures are currently available for customer testing in New Release.

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A local currency gold futures coming very soon
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QUOTE(MYlover @ Aug 30 2013, 09:57 AM)
haha the problem is..... dropping again today  icon_question.gif
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Don't worry, it will go up again de. This is temporary only
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A bit more up then i can sell to recover loss tongue.gif
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To those trading gold, what platform you mostly use:
1) buy and sell physical gold?
2) buy and selling using bank accounts gold? Which bank? I have put mine in cimb gold investment account.

if others , what u use? just asking. Me put like 100g in cimb gold invt acc. Not sure if right choice
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To those trading gold, what platform you mostly use:
1) buy and sell physical gold?
2) buy and selling using bank accounts gold? Which bank? I have put mine in cimb gold investment account.

if others , what u use? just asking. Me put like 100g in cimb gold invt acc. Not sure if right choice
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maybank GIA
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what time does the gold counter close for online banking?

i'm looking to pick some up if possible.
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If I'm not mistaken, its anytime between 10am - 4pm (Mon - Fri). This is for Maybank GIA.
Other banks might be different.
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QUOTE(maparklinkin @ Aug 30 2013, 11:38 AM)
To those trading gold, what platform you mostly use:
1) buy and sell physical gold?
2) buy and selling using bank accounts gold? Which bank? I have put mine in cimb gold investment account.

if others , what u use? just asking. Me put like 100g in cimb gold invt acc. Not sure if right choice
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I'm also in Maybank GIA. CIMB seems to have better spread difference compared to Maybank.

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hmm... today's price are quite stagnant ha...
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Gold pushes lower, but poised for August win

Gold fell Friday in electronic trade as the likelihood for imminent military action against Syria ebbed, but the precious metal stayed firmly on track to post gains for the week and the month.

“Following a multi-month decline, gold has rallied over recent weeks in the wake of a softer U.S. dollar and rising risk aversion,” wrote Crédit Agricole head of global markets Mitul Kotecha in a report Friday.

Gold may benefit in the short term from seasonal demands stemming from the Hindu festival of Diwali in November and on Syrian tensions, said Kotecha, suggesting investors sell on a rally to the 200-day moving average around $1,500.

But medium-term risks for gold “remain on the downside” based on forecast models for oil prices, the 10-year Treasury yield.
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1396/oz now
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Now myr147/g biggrin.gif
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Now myr147/g  biggrin.gif
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where did u get this figure? maybank GIA is still 150.91/g
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where did u get this figure? maybank GIA is still 150.91/g
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http://goldprice.org/gold-price-malaysia.html sweat.gif

if you look, it was 150 before dropped to 147.

Maybank always very slow when reducing the price shakehead.gif

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http://goldprice.org/gold-price-malaysia.html  sweat.gif

if you look, it was 150 before dropped to 147.

Maybank always very slow when reducing the price  shakehead.gif
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Yea, and I bought mine at 1417/oz but in fact, it dropped to 1408/oz. I paid rm153.88/g. Grrrr... vmad.gif mad.gif
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Keep Physical gold ( If u got EXTRA $$$ @ Long term )
Paper gold just for saving ( If u got $$$ n go for it BUT min 100G )
Sell off paper gold IF GOT PROFIT ( RM 100 so on )
U will happy with THE GOLD ALWAYS thumbup.gif
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Yea, and I bought mine at 1417/oz but in fact, it dropped to 1408/oz. I paid rm153.88/g. Grrrr...  vmad.gif  mad.gif
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Banks fixed the price. We can't do anything doh.gif

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Banks fixed the price. We can't do anything  doh.gif
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Yea, I die die won't sell below what I bought. Even if I have to eat magie everyday. Letting them earn loan interest is enough d. Can't lose in investment...
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Gold investment depends on market condition. Sometimes we profit, sometimes we lose. One thing I can say is don't "put all eggs in one basket", just don't put all your money in GIA. Try to diversify your investment.
If you read those previous post by the sifu here, gold don't pay interest

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just gone through the previous versions of the thread but haven't really gotten the answer. for example, if i'm going to buy gold coins, what difference does it make if i buy canadian maple or malaysian kijang? is it like canadian maple is more popular thus can be sold 'easily'?

sorry if it's a silly question. a newbie and still learning. thanks smile.gif
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 1 2013, 12:17 AM)
Gold investment depends on market condition. Sometimes we profit, sometimes we lose. One thing I can say is don't "put all eggs in one basket", just don't put all your money in GIA. Try to diversify your investment. 
If you read those previous post by the sifu here, gold don't pay interest

Happy investing  biggrin.gif
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Yea. I just started investing. So GIA is the least risk for me to learn and start. Of course, I won't put a lot of money in it.
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
just gone through the previous versions of the thread but haven't really gotten the answer. for example, if i'm going to buy gold coins, what difference does it make if i buy canadian maple or malaysian kijang? is it like canadian maple is more popular thus can be sold 'easily'?

sorry if it's a silly question. a newbie and still learning. thanks smile.gif
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I'm new too but this is what I learned so far. Coins are more of a collectibles rather than investing due to its high premium. Canadian maple would have higher collectible value than kijang emas. Of course they are still valuable for their gold
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 1 2013, 02:40 AM)
just gone through the previous versions of the thread but haven't really gotten the answer. for example, if i'm going to buy gold coins, what difference does it make if i buy canadian maple or malaysian kijang? is it like canadian maple is more popular thus can be sold 'easily'?

sorry if it's a silly question. a newbie and still learning. thanks smile.gif
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you purpose to keep gold as collectible or investment (buy/sell)?.

kijang quite hard to get especially during the gold price drop
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you purpose to keep gold as collectible or investment (buy/sell)?.

kijang quite hard to get especially during the gold price drop
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more to long term investment I suppose. in a way that's like collectible also. lol
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Yea. I just started investing. So GIA is the least risk for me to learn and start. Of course, I won't put a lot of money in it.
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Good to hear that. Some people invest heavily in Gold thinking they could make "huge" profit but actually made "huge" loses doh.gif
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Gold makes a comeback as demand for jewelry in India, China pushes its price higher

Gold is having a summer revival. The price of gold touched $1,420 an ounce this week, a three-and-a-half month high, as escalating tensions in the Middle East, volatile currency markets and renewed demand for jewelry in China and India pushed prices higher.

For many years prior to that, large investors, like hedge funds, bought the metal as a way to protect their investments against rising prices and a slumping dollar. They feared that the Federal Reserve's stimulus program could cause prices to rise. But inflation remained subdued and that reduced the need to buy gold.



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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 1 2013, 08:40 PM)
Good to hear that. Some people invest heavily in Gold thinking they could make "huge" profit but actually made "huge" loses  doh.gif
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I went to a talk about futures on hang seng index. I learned stuff about candlestick charts. The speaker even showed us the candlestick on gold and he said gold is so much more difficult to read as it's movements are hard to predict.

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Wanna ask, usually how many grams or kilos when you buy a gold?
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I went to a talk about futures on hang seng index. I learned stuff about candlestick charts. The speaker even showed us the candlestick on gold and he said gold is so much more difficult to read as it's movements are hard to predict.
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Correct. We cannot predict the gold prices smile.gif
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Gold Pull Back on Syria Strike Delay

Gold prices fell in early Asian trading Monday, as plans from the White House to delay a possible military strike in Syria eased oil-supply concerns and upbeat manufacturing data in China pushed traders out of the safe-haven metal.

Monday's broad declines came after hedge funds and other money managers last week increased bets on gold to the highest point in seven months. Money managers also increased their bets on crude oil last week for the first time in five weeks.

In addition to the Syria threat declining, safe-haven gold was further hurt by upbeat manufacturing data over the weekend from China, the biggest consumer of industrial metals in the world.

"Some traders chose to liquidate their long positions in the morning," as an imminent threat of an attack on Syria by the U.S. and its allies receded, said Peter Fung, Hong Kong-based director of gold dealer Wing Fung Precious Metals.
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Good to hear that. Some people invest heavily in Gold thinking they could make "huge" and fast profit but actually made "huge" loses  doh.gif
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yea, maybank is still 1385/oz. hahaha... wonder will the price still stay the same when we hit the buy button
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yea, maybank is still 1385/oz. hahaha... wonder will the price still stay the same when we hit the buy button
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Just pure luck. Tomorrow see how the situation brows.gif
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it's 1388/oz

getting ready to enter more when it go down somemore
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What does summer’s end mean for gold and silver?

Labor Day sees the end of the U.S. summer and everything tends to change as the financial community returns to its desks. Where will they take gold and silver this time?


LONDON (Mineweb) -

Today is Labor Day in the USA, the official end of summer as far as the country’s citizenry is concerned, and everything changes. From tomorrow the top bankers, fund managers financiers etc. are back at their desks supposedly refreshed from their summer in the Hamptons, the Caribbean or points further. Summer dependent businesses close down for another year, women start wearing fall and winter fashions regardless of the temperature – and the silly season in news comes immediately to an end. The equity market professionals are back and the next pattern of investment flows will rapidly start to establish itself.

For gold and silver investors everything could change. Some kind of direction will likely establish itself, but whether this will be upwards or downwards remains to be seen. If the past is anything to go by, September can be a strong month for precious metals, but it isn’t always so – take 2011 for example. Arguably the major turning point in the gold price after its heady days through the 2011 summer started immediately after Labor Day that year, but this has tended to be the exception. Those who move the markets saw a gold price rise through June, July and August 2011 which they reckoned was overdone – and the general trend in price has been downwards since with gold currently sitting some $500 below its heady 2011 peak.

This year gold and silver made something of a recovery from their recent nadirs through the summer months, but we don’t think this will have been seen as an over-excessive gain by the financial community in the same way that that of 2011 was. There does seem to have been something of a change of sentiment with regard to precious metals. Some safe haven talk has resurfaced, there is an increasing realisation that almost all the physical gold which may have been released by investors in the West has been taken up in the East – and more. Comex gold inventories have been slipping away and there are indications that some of the big bullion banks, JP Morgan in particular, are turning long on gold. Things could thus be about to change for the better for the precious metals investor.

But in the world of gold nothing is certain. There is the overhang of a possible, or even probable, Fed tapering of its bond buying programme. This has to come to an end sooner rather than later, but the Fed’s problem is to make the winddown in QE lead to a soft landing in equity markets which are nervous that any reduction in stimulus will have an adverse effect on company performance and the recovery, such as it is. Initially the markets saw the gold price as likely to be adversely affected by a winding down of QE, having been boosted by its implementation, but with further analysis it was also realised that the overall rise in the equity markets had also been stimulated by QE, and these could be even more vulnerable to its gradual withdrawal. As we pointed out here some time ago, gold was strongly on the rise well before QE was put in place. Equities were not!

What are things to look out for in the months ahead with regard to gold – and in markets in general? Firstly, the big gold ETFs – GLD in particular – could be seen as the true bellwether as to where gold is likely to trend. The big sell-off seems to have come to an end – or, at the very least, going through a hiatus. Recently GLD has picked up a small amount, but if heavy sales re-commence, then this is obviously a bad indicator for gold. Should purchases – even on a small scale - continue, this is a positive sign that sentiment is changing in gold’s favour.

Eastern buying: There are already indications that the improvement in the gold price has seen a slight slowdown in the volume of Chinese buying, with Shanghai gold premiums reportedly dropping back. However, gold premiums in India remain at very high levels following the government’s imposition of big precious metals import duties, with the recognition too that these are leading to gold smuggling on a hugely increased basis. One can probably discount India’s official gold statistics in the next few months as being totally unrealistic as they will not include the reportedly strongly rising grey market. As with Prohibition in the U.S. in the 1920s, banning, or discouraging by fiscal means, something that people really want can even serve to stimulate demand and there’s little sign that Indians’ appetites for gold hoarding has diminished.

The long and short positions on COMEX will need to be watched closely too – particularly those of the big bullion banks who seldom bet against uncertainty! And they have the financial clout to effectively corner the market – or indeed a significant part of it. Even more so with silver!

But, overall, it is the state of the U.S. economy and its supposed recovery that may yet be major factor for both gold and equities. Any recognition that recovery is slower than the Fed would like, especially if unemployment fails to come down to target levels, would make any tapering – perhaps apart from a token reduction – increasingly unlikely. Good for gold and equities, although at some stage the continuing parlous state of the overall economy may start to have an increasingly adverse impact on the latter.

What other factors are out there? The lower gold price and the likelihood of some serious strike activity in the South African mines may have a negative impact on global gold production. But, in truth, small changes in newly mined gold supply have little impact on the market at present. New production is so dwarfed by swings in investment and hoarding demand nowadays that it is largely irrelevant in the market place.

Gold will tend to continue to be moved by various U.S. statistics and indicators, both up and down depending on the ebb and flow of employment figures, housing starts, budget issues, etc., but also by the threat of an escalation in the Syrian conflict and unrest in Egypt, with possible spill over into other states where there is continuing tension between the Sunni and Shia Muslim factions. If the U.S., or any other western power, is drawn into military action in Syria this will be yet another destabilising factor in world geopolitics which should be positive for gold. The Eurozone crisis will also continue to raise its head from time to time as this is nowhere near played out yet.

In short there are any number of factors which may impinge on gold and silver prices in the months ahead. One needs to follow the likely indicators closely. Overall, these factors look to this observer to be more likely positive than not for precious metals investors. Safe haven investment in gold may well be beginning to return – there are so many uncertainties out there and the potential downsides in the equities markets, in the U.S. and Europe look to be greater than those in gold. We could be in for an interesting few months as markets play out, political tensions sway – and the Fed makes its intentions on QE a little clearer, although it seems that obfuscation may remain in this latter respect. Again, as we’ve said before, if gold does continue its recent rise, silver should do even better – but, as was seen on Friday, even a temporary fall in the gold price can leave to an even bigger one in silver in percentage terms. It is much more of a gambler’s metal, but it could be a good gamble

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crude oil price goes up, will it impact gold price?
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gold price continue drop this week.
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actually crude oil already goes up few months back...touch the $100 mark..
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everywhere in the world the gold price has decrease. but malaysia banks all maintaining. slow update when decrease in price.... such pain in the ass
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everywhere in the world the gold price has decrease. but malaysia banks all maintaining. slow update when decrease in price.... such pain in the ass
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Got mah, was RM150+ last week. This week 140+. Ringgit also strengthen compare to last week
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Got mah, was RM150+ last week. This week 140+. Ringgit also strengthen compare to last week
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1389/oz to RM149+ to be exact is quite a lot of different.
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Gold extends losses as delay in Syria action, global data weigh

Gold edged lower for a fourth straight session on Tuesday as a delay in a potential U.S. strike on Syria and strong global economic data dented bullion's safe-haven appeal.

"Prices have gone too far too fast," said Victor Thianpiriya, an analyst at ANZ in Singapore. "A lot of the rally that we have had is on short covering. We haven't really seen investors wanting to own more gold."

The metal saw some upside last week as a U.S. strike on Syria seemed imminent. However, now that U.S. President Barack Obama has sought Congressional approval, the timing of any military action is uncertain.

"(The Syria situation) will be a bit supportive for gold if things start to escalate. If things get severe, people will start to dump riskier assets such as equities and that will provide a natural support for gold and other safe-haven assets," Thianpiriya said.


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i just bought 11 gram last two days sad.gif
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i just bought 11 gram last two days sad.gif
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which is how much in RM? to me, i have no worries whether the price going up or down. if down, i buy more. if going up, i sell more. it's stress free tongue.gif
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which is how much in RM? to me, i have no worries whether the price going up or down. if down, i buy more. if going up, i sell more. it's stress free  tongue.gif
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the problem is i bought it in the middle, not going up not going down tongue.gif
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the problem is i bought it in the middle, not going up not going down  tongue.gif
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again, gold is long term investment...if you buy for RM500, even the price drop, gold still in your hand..but can you keep RM500??..for sure you will spend..

so no worries bro..just keep your gold.. dont expect buy today, sell tomorrow.
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QUOTE(kazama82 @ Sep 3 2013, 06:11 PM)
again, gold is long term investment...if you buy for RM500, even the price drop, gold still in your hand..but can you keep RM500??..for sure you will spend..

so no worries bro..just keep your gold.. dont expect buy today, sell tomorrow.
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Can buy today and sell tomorrow.
Buy morning sell by noon oso can, but not paper gold la.
Paper gold oso can do that, but very likely to make losses of coz... hehehe...
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Can buy today and sell tomorrow.
Buy morning sell by noon oso can, but not paper gold la.
Paper gold oso can do that, but very likely to make losses of coz... hehehe...
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Bro,
paper gold has lower spread than physical. If want to buy morning, sell afternoon, paper gold is better than physical
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Gold steadies ahead of US economic data

Gold was little changed on Tuesday, as investors held off doing business before US economic data that is expected to provide clues on the Federal Reserve’s policy moves, while uncertainty remains around a possible US strike on Syria.

"It is difficult to predict development in the geopolitical situation, but obviously this will be followed by the gold market and, if we have a massive crisis, prices will rise on the back of it," Standard Chartered analyst Daniel Smith said.

"Any data out of the US this week is going to be pretty critical to the outlook of gold and we are expecting a strong labour report, which encourages the idea of QE (quantitative easing) tapering," Mr Smith said.
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Physical gold canot be Show off isit ?
But u can hold n feel THE HEAVY of that metal ( 250gm @ 500gm smile.gif )
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QUOTE(haicaramba @ Sep 3 2013, 06:24 PM)
Can buy today and sell tomorrow.
Buy morning sell by noon oso can, but not paper gold la.
Paper gold oso can do that, but very likely to make losses of coz... hehehe...
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Dont worry next week every minute on working hours u can long / short gold futures on BURSA...coming this 9th sep 2013 to be launch exactly..

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the problem is i bought it in the middle, not going up not going down  tongue.gif
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Yea same here. I feel bored when the price is stagnant
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QUOTE(kazama82 @ Sep 3 2013, 06:11 PM)
again, gold is long term investment...if you buy for RM500, even the price drop, gold still in your hand..but can you keep RM500??..for sure you will spend..

so no worries bro..just keep your gold.. dont expect buy today, sell tomorrow.
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True, it's like force saving. U decide how much interest u want.
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QUOTE(haicaramba @ Sep 3 2013, 06:24 PM)
Can buy today and sell tomorrow.
Buy morning sell by noon oso can, but not paper gold la.
Paper gold oso can do that, but very likely to make losses of coz... hehehe...
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im more refering to ppl that buy for personal saving..you gold tauke different.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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Yea same here. I feel bored when the price is stagnant
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UOB selling price RM148.70 now.
maybank show USD 1414 (热死热死) per troy ounce now.

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this morning compare to yesterday's closing jump 3 ringgit. 0.0

cimb counter.
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damn, i should bought yesterday, now going up oledi
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damn, i should bought yesterday, now going up oledi
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damn, i should bought yesterday, now going up oledi
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QUOTE(ahSiang @ Sep 4 2013, 11:37 AM)
damn, i should bought yesterday, now going up oledi
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Senator will vote for syria issue. if positive, it'll spike up gold's price. whatever it is, i dont wish for war although i might gain from gold price...
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Gold trade above USD1,400 on renewed Syria strike concerns

Gold traded above the key USD1,400-level during European morning hours on Wednesday, as renewed concerns over U.S. military action against Syria boosted safe-haven demand.

Concerns over a U.S. military intervention against Syria’s government shifted back into focus on Tuesday after the Republican House Speaker John Boehner endorsed President Barack Obama's call for military strikes.

Meanwhile, investors continued to speculate over the timing of the Federal Reserve’s widely expected reduction in monthly bond purchases.

Data on Tuesday showed that manufacturing activity in the U.S. expanded at the fastest rate since April 2011 in August.

The Institute for Supply Management said its purchasing managers’ index rose to 55.7 in August from a reading of 55.4 in July. Analysts had expected a reading of 54.0.

The upbeat data reinforced the view that the Fed could start to unwind its stimulus program at its upcoming policy meeting on September 17-18.

Investors were now looking ahead to Friday’s highly-anticipated U.S. nonfarm payrolls report which is seen as key to the Fed’s decision on tapering.

Gold traders have closely been looking out for U.S. data reports recently to gauge if they will strengthen or weaken the case for the Fed to reduce its bond purchases.

Any improvement in the U.S. economy was likely to reinforce the view that the central bank will begin to taper its bond purchase program in the near-term.

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war or not to war..
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war or not to war..
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Pay some xxxgm n have to add more in coming week
USA senate already give Obama License to take action sweat.gif

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if US goes to war with Syria, will gold price goes up or down?
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I hope gold will stay down, like maybe around $1-1.2k, forever smile.gif
Or lower
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I hope gold will stay down, like maybe around $1-1.2k, forever smile.gif
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Forever? Then no margin to profit

1388/oz now
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I hope golds drop more for now, and I'm gonna buy it again hehehe.
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Gold drop back again.
UOB buying price 148.90
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probably will drop more..since NFP tomorrow.
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drop drop drop....good to drop
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 5 2013, 10:32 AM)
Gold drop back again.
UOB buying price 148.90
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dang, maybank is rm150/g
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dang, maybank is rm150/g
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maybe later they would change the price (or maybe only tomorrow biggrin.gif )
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Spot price is MYR 146/g
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maybe later they would change the price (or maybe only tomorrow  biggrin.gif )
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yea, like u said, they are selloowww when it comes to price down...
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Add 250gm at PBB ...
Hopes to be LUCKY again  smile.gif
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reading news about syria attack. Arabs are funding for US to attack and senate agrees on it. looks like they are going to attack. then, the price of gold might go up.
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Add 250gm at PBB ...
Hopes to be LUCKY again  smile.gif
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Rich.. Rich.... brows.gif
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reading news about syria attack. Arabs are funding for US to attack and senate agrees on it. looks like they are going to attack. then, the price of gold might go up.
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NO WAR / Cancel the attack icon_rolleyes.gif cry.gif
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NO WAR / Cancel the attack  icon_rolleyes.gif  cry.gif
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hahah.. i rather no war la. btw, 1386/oz already
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hahah.. i rather no war la. btw, 1386/oz already
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it's slowly increasing today shakehead.gif
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it's slowly increasing today  shakehead.gif
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is it? i saw the other way round

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 5 2013, 03:15 PM)
is it? i saw the other way round
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Morning it went down, after 1pm upwards trend sweat.gif

http://goldprice.org/live-gold-price.html
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 5 2013, 12:50 PM)
reading news about syria attack. Arabs are funding for US to attack and senate agrees on it. looks like they are going to attack. then, the price of gold might go up.
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Up - Down frm .10 - .50 is find
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Im just waiting for the right time to sell off all my gold. Its been a roller coaster ride the past 3 years and I think there are better investments out there. Gold just isn't what it used to be no matter how well u predict prices.
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A US Senate panel has approved the use of military force in Syria, in response to an alleged chemical weapons attack

In a 10-7 vote, the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations moved the measure to a full Senate vote, expected next week.

The vote comes as President Barack Obama tries to build support in the US for punitive military action against the Syrian government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23967190#FBM281441
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hi, would like to ask you guys some things regarding maybank's gold investment account:

1. is it possible to open an account via m2u? (i thought i read somewhere can do so)
2. if i open an account via m2u, i'll still need to go to the bank to get the passbook rite?
3. this may sound silly but do i need to go update the passbook if i trade via m2u?
4. assuming i want to close the account someday, will i be charged?
5. lastly, any hidden charges?

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 6 2013, 04:23 AM)
hi, would like to ask you guys some things regarding maybank's gold investment account:

1. is it possible to open an account via m2u? (i thought i read somewhere can do so)
2. if i open an account via m2u, i'll still need to go to the bank to get the passbook rite?
3. this may sound silly but do i need to go update the passbook if i trade via m2u?
4. assuming i want to close the account someday, will i be charged?
5. lastly, any hidden charges?
I think the more important question which you should be asking yourself is:

1) Why do i want to invest in gold?
2) What kind of profit do i intend to make over what period


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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Sep 6 2013, 07:33 AM)
I think the more important question which you should be asking yourself is:

1) Why do i want to invest in gold?
2) What kind of profit do i intend to make over what period
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basically, i've gone through the thread and it's previous versions b4 trying to make the 1st step.

1. as to why i would want to invest in paper gold, is i believe the advice of not putting everything into 1 basket. as i've started working not long ago, big time investments are out of the view.

2. for paper gold, should be more to short to medium term investment - say a few years at most. wouldn't expect much but at least more than FD
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 6 2013, 04:23 AM)
hi, would like to ask you guys some things regarding maybank's gold investment account:

1. is it possible to open an account via m2u? (i thought i read somewhere can do so)
2. if i open an account via m2u, i'll still need to go to the bank to get the passbook rite?
3. this may sound silly but do i need to go update the passbook if i trade via m2u?
4. assuming i want to close the account someday, will i be charged?
5. lastly, any hidden charges?
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u ask here, people ask u back... haiya

let me answer u

1. no, my fen had to go maybank branch to open. CIMB can coz i accidently open 2 gold account.
2. answer in q1.
3. if you want to... nobody force. m2u always the updated one
4. if closed within 6 month got charged. rm10 kot.
5. no hidden charge. the spread by mbb is the one u hav to incur.
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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Sep 6 2013, 11:24 AM)
u ask here, people ask u back... haiya

let me answer u

1. no, my fen had to go maybank branch to open. CIMB can coz i accidently open 2 gold account.
2. answer in q1.
3. if you want to... nobody force. m2u always the updated one
4. if closed within 6 month got charged. rm10 kot.
5. no hidden charge. the spread by mbb is the one u hav to incur.
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thanks for d answers! appreciate it. they should give us an option for a passbookless 1, since most ppl do it online nowadays. lol. thanks ya
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thanks for d answers! appreciate it. they should give us an option for a passbookless 1, since most ppl do it online nowadays. lol. thanks ya
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profit/gain much better hehe..

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 6 2013, 04:23 AM)
hi, would like to ask you guys some things regarding maybank's gold investment account:

1. is it possible to open an account via m2u? (i thought i read somewhere can do so)
2. if i open an account via m2u, i'll still need to go to the bank to get the passbook rite?
3. this may sound silly but do i need to go update the passbook if i trade via m2u?
4. assuming i want to close the account someday, will i be charged?
5. lastly, any hidden charges?
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what stated in their website, is possible.
but actual, i m not sure.

last time i created gold account thru maybank2u with starting of 10gram value by transferring from my saving account to the gold account
it says the transaction is success but i dont see any deduction to my account.
after few days, i check back but still there is no changes in my saving account.
i click on my gold account, it says that my gold account is not yet created.
called maybank customer service, they said that my gold account is not created.
i even have the printed online receipt saying that the transaction was successful but still, its not done rclxub.gif
at the end, customer service ask me to open gold account at the branch doh.gif

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I think the more important question which you should be asking yourself is:

1) Why do i want to invest in gold?
2) What kind of profit do i intend to make over what period
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your question is totally not answering his question at all.
not even close to be ponder because it seems that he already decide to go for it.
he is asking on "how" to invest and not "why" to invest.

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i heard that gold will launch soon as a stock share soon in malaysia.

would like to discuss and hear your point of view how will this effect the price of goal in malaysia market?
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Gold at 2-week low as U.S. data fuels Fed tapering talk

"I think gold really took a hit on today's economic data," said David Lee, vice president of trading at Heraeus Precious Metals Management.

"The possibility of Fed stimulus tapering starting in September, or even by December, is really a concern now with the better services sector and preliminary jobs reading for August."

"Everyone is trying to pre-judge what the Fed might do," Citi analyst David Wilson said. "So, if the employment numbers are better than expected it will heighten the sense that tapering will be sooner rather than later, and the reverse if the data's below expectations."


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Gold futures gain as Fed expectations shift

Gold futures rose Friday, paring loss for the week after a disappointing U.S. jobs report scaled back expectations of how the Federal Reserve may reduce its extraordinary economic stimulus.

Friday’s gains were “triggered by the disappointing jobs growth,” he said. “The thinking is that with the weak jobs market, the Fed will not taper, or will taper-[light].”

As for developments regarding Syria, Atyant’s Mimani said that it’s sort of a misnomer that war or military strikes are good for gold.

“Gold does have a tendency to spike during times of global conflict as a knee-jerk reaction, but those gains never hold,” he said. “The primary and only real driver of gold is central bank policy, fiscal policy and interest rates.”
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One man meat is another man poison ... War really can push up gold ?
Haizzzzzzzzz ...So has to hope another war just to push gold price up ?
NO NO N NO sad.gif

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Should you join the buyers as the gold price rises?

Gold has bounced back as investors seek exposure to the metal in all its forms. Fears of inflation and of conflict in the Middle East are just two of the factors driving demand. Should you be joining the buyers?

The gold price crashed in the first part of 2013 but staged a recovery in late June; the price has risen by more than 20pc. Now consumers in Asia, along with other investors spooked by events in Syria, are driving stronger demand – just as supply is falling as miners scale back production.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/persona...rice-rises.html
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 6 2013, 04:23 AM)
hi, would like to ask you guys some things regarding maybank's gold investment account:

1. is it possible to open an account via m2u? (i thought i read somewhere can do so)
2. if i open an account via m2u, i'll still need to go to the bank to get the passbook rite?
3. this may sound silly but do i need to go update the passbook if i trade via m2u?
4. assuming i want to close the account someday, will i be charged?
5. lastly, any hidden charges?
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1. no, have to open in maybank branch. minimum 1gram to open. only during weekdays as the gold trade only on weekdays
2. once u open with the branch you will receive passbook.
3. u can do it via maybank2u
4. not sure.but if u sell your last 1gram, will auto close
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Gold is definitely on a very very good prospect heading to the Q4 of 2013...

worth buying at the current price..
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Gold is definitely on a very very good prospect heading to the Q4 of 2013...

worth buying at the current price..
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hi i'm interesting and new into this gold investment? any proper advice? icon_question.gif notworthy.gif
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it's rm150 now. is it worth buying sad.gif sold too soon
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QUOTE(stephvin @ Sep 9 2013, 09:34 AM)
it's rm150 now. is it worth buying sad.gif sold too soon
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Eh, how come suddenly spike up.
I see 8.30am still RM147-148.
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what's with the sudden spike in gold price?

all of a sudden RM150?
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I think this week you;ll see quite major movements (upwards) for POG.
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what's with  the sudden spike in gold price?

all of a sudden RM150?
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my guess is that it'll move up somemore. US might hit syria. 12 countries supported the intervention in G20.
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Now USD1386/oz
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Gold edges lower on euro, Fed uncertainty may help

Gold edged lower as the euro eased on Monday but a possible delay in the U.S. Federal Reserve's decision to taper off its bond-buying programme could boost the metal's safe-haven appeal.

"This confusion will likely prevent gold from weakening substantially over the course of this week, but we suspect that the selling should intensify after the Fed meeting is out of the way and assuming we do indeed get a modest amount of tapering."

Jewellers in main gold consumer India expect a surge in imports this week after the government clarified overseas buying rules. Most of the jewellers are sustaining on stocks shipped from April to May, which totalled more than 300 tonnes.
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the price are usually stagnant in the beginning of the week. things will get interesting from wed onwards. especially these few weeks
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Traders split on gold touching new highs in next 2 years

Gold traders are divided on the outlook for prices next week, weighing signs of an improving US economy against the threat of a military attack on Syria. Two years after bullion set a record, the majority said a new peak won't be reached in the next 24 months.

Thirteen analysts surveyed by Bloomberg expect prices to rise next week, the same number were bearish and five were neutral. Gold slumped 28% since it reached an all-time high of $1,921.15 an ounce on September 6, 2011.

Eighteen people surveyed said the metal won't exceed that level in the next two years and 11 predicted another record. Gold is set for its first decline in 13 years after some investors lost faith in the metal as a store of value. Bullion rallied 17% from a 34-month low in June as the slump stoked demand for jewellery and coins and western nations debated attacking Syria after accusations the government used chemical weapons.

An accelerating US economy increased speculation the Federal Reserve will buy fewer bonds to stimulate growth, diminishing demand for gold as a hedge against inflation.

"As long as we're speculating on when any possible military intervention might take place, that could be supportive for gold as a safe haven," said Jonathan Butler, a precious metals strategist at Mitsubishi International (Europe) in London.

Fed bond buying "will be scaled back in the remainder of this year. If that were to take place, there's going to be some downside for gold," he said.
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I bet it will goes down by end Dec 2013
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I bet it will goes down by end Dec 2013
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Taper or Not Taper...everyone is waiting...everyone is guessing...

Why the US Fed won't taper QE: James Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis

HILTON TARRANT: US job growth came in lower than expected in August, and the unemployment rate dropping to a four-and-a-half year low as workers gave up the search for work in the US could delay the Federal Reserve’s scaling back its massive monetary stimulus later this month.
All eyes are on the Federal Open Market Committee meeting in just over 10 days’ time. Until today’s data it was widely anticipated we would see some easing or tapering of the stimulus programme. But James Rickards, author of Currency Wars: the making of the Next Global Crisis, believes that we won't see any cutting back at all of the Fed stimulus because the American economy remains just too weak.

JAMES RICKARDS: I don’t think it's going to happen. Certainly it's on the agenda in the sense that the Fed is talking about and thinking about it – they certainly would like to taper. I don’t think there’s much doubt about that. And to a great extent the markets have priced that in.
I don’t think the Fed actually will taper in September – in fact, I don’t think they’ll do it at all this year and the reason is I'm sort of taking the Fed at their word. They said we’d like to. Tapering is the jargon, it's reducing asset purchases, but asset purchases are the way they print money. So what they are really saying is we are going to print less money.
But they said we are going to do that sometime this year if the economy grows in accordance with our forecast, etc. And so many people in the market have focused on the first part about tapering, but ignored the conditionality, the “if” clause about the economy conforming to their forecast.
So one thing you need to know about Fed forecasting – they have the worst forecasting record of any institution I can think of, any central bank or any private forecaster. Every year the Fed gives a one-year forward forecast. In ’09 they gave a forecast for 2010, in 2010 they gave one for 2011, etc. The last four years they’ve been wrong all four times by a lot – meaning one or two percentage points of growth, which is orders of magnitude when you are talking about GDP. So there’s no reason to have confidence in the Fed forecasting.
The actual economy is doing very poorly. My feeling is they are not going to taper because they’ll be tapering into weakness and the economy’s very weak. But it's a close call. I’d be the first one to say it could go the other way. If they do taper, they’ll be tapering into weakness, as I say, and I expect they would increase asset purchases some time by mid-2014.
Remember, this is the third time we've gone though this – QE1, which they stopped, it turned out they had to go back with QE2. They then stopped QE2 in June 2011, and by September 2012 they were back to QE3. Now they are talking about tapering QE3. But the history has been every time we do see these, the economy goes into a funk. And so I don’t think they’ll do it. But if they do I think they’ll be increasing asset purchases within say, six to eight months.

HILTON TARRANT: Does the Fed have to taper, or is this the new normal? Are we now so addicted to this liquidity, to these assets, that that’s kind of how we are going to go?

JAMES RICKARDS: A good question. The fed’s not doing this gratuitously. They are doing it to try and help the economy and to prop up the banking system, which is their mission. The problem is it hasn’t worked, it hasn’t worked well at all. So the question is do you give up or do you keep trying. Do you back away or double down? And there is a real division of opinion on that one.
One of the reasons this is so difficult to call is because the Federal Open Market Committee is evenly divided between those who think they should taper and those who think they should not. And the argument for tapering has been articulated by Jeremy Stein, one of the governors of the Federal Reserve. He said, look, you are getting less and less benefit out of this. Meanwhile you are increasing systemic risk and setting us up for another asset bubble and asset bubble collapse.
On the other side is Janet Yellen who says we have enormous slack in labour, we have an enormous slack in industrial capacity. There is no example of inflation arising in these circumstances and we should print more.
I've spoken to some of the Federal Reserve Bank presidents, Charles Owen of Chicago, Dennis Lockhart of Atlanta, among others, and they said theoretically there is no limit to the Fed’s balance sheet. Now I happen to disagree with that. I think there can come a very rapid, almost instantaneous loss of confidence. Once that happens nothing can save the dollar. We are not there yet, but we are getting closer all the time. As I say it will happen very unexpectedly.
So there are others that think the Fed can keep doing this, that they should keep doing it. There are others who think that the risks are not outweighing the benefits. The problem is they are both right as both sides have good arguments. This is what happens when you manipulate. You paint yourself into a corner from which there is no good way out.

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I bet it will goes down by end Dec 2013
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Normally gold price goes down around NOV-DEC. and pick up back early of the year.
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Just out of curiosity. How do you guys actually buy gold? Using CFD accounts or Bank certificates?
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Gold Extends Loss on Prospect of Fed Tapering, Syria Proposal

Gold dropped for a second day on speculation that the U.S. Federal Reserve will start to pare stimulus from next week, and as a bid to avert military action in Syria eroded haven demand.

“The market is likely to be influenced by discussions over tapering and geopolitical tensions relating to the situation in Syria,” Howard Wen, an analyst at HSBC Securities (USA) Inc., wrote in a note.
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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 10 2013, 09:41 AM)
Normally gold price goes down around NOV-DEC. and pick up back early of the year.
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gold price lately has been boring and will probably be so for many moons.

ok to keep some to hedge against ever weakening rm, but it doesn't look like it's going to be a winner for some time.
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The price dropping again, on slower basis unlike previous months
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The price dropping again, on slower basis unlike previous months
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yup. and it's 1374/oz now

meanwhile, maybank is still 1386/oz

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 10 2013, 05:27 PM)
yup. and it's 1374/oz now

meanwhile, maybank is still 1386/oz
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as I said before, always slow when reducing the price doh.gif
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 10 2013, 05:38 PM)
as I said before, always slow when reducing the price  doh.gif
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So you are buying from Maybank? If you sell back to them. how?

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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Sep 10 2013, 05:38 PM)
So you are buying from Maybank? If you sell back to them. how?
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Sell at price they quote. You must always monitor the price movement

just go to their branch & sell it.

http://jinjack.net/vdraw/grab/gold_rate/

http://www.maybank2u.com.my/mbb_info/m2u/p.../INV-Investment

http://www.maybank2u.com.my/mbb_info/m2u/p...cntKey=INV03.03
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low at 1372.. and falling rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 10 2013, 05:47 PM)
I know. But do you find that it is worth it? I mean do you think there are other cheaper ways? Thanks for the info though. So you feel that Maybank is the best?

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as I said before, always slow when reducing the price  doh.gif
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yea, as usual la. im gonna wait for tmr's update. before i buy more.

btw, it's 1370/oz now
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Sep 10 2013, 05:55 PM)
I know. But do you find that it is worth it? I mean do you think there are other cheaper ways? Thanks for the info though. So  you feel that Maybank is the best?
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I don't know if there's other cheaper ways hmm.gif

I don't think Maybank is the best, but looking at this forum a lot people have Maybank GIA & bought their gold.

Actually I'm still new & learning about this gold thing blush.gif
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QUOTE(sylar111 @ Sep 10 2013, 05:55 PM)
I know. But do you find that it is worth it? I mean do you think there are other cheaper ways? Thanks for the info though. So  you feel that Maybank is the best?
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maybank is not the best but is the least to open an account. u only need 1 gram to open whereas some banks need 5-10g.
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 10 2013, 06:06 PM)
I don't know if there's other cheaper ways  hmm.gif 

I don't think Maybank is the best, but looking at this forum a lot people have Maybank GIA & bought their gold.

Actually I'm still new & learning about this gold thing  blush.gif
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indices are all gaining positively. no wonder gold drop la..
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gold price lately has been boring and will probably be so for many moons.

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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 10 2013, 06:13 PM)
indices are all gaining positively. no wonder gold drop la..
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yea.

also Russia’s Proposal on Syria to surrender its chemical weapons, So it means no attack / war rclxms.gif
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Just out of curiosity. How do you guys actually buy gold? Using CFD accounts or Bank certificates?
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yea.

also Russia’s Proposal on Syria to surrender its chemical weapons, So it means no attack / war  rclxms.gif
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yea.

also Russia’s Proposal on Syria to surrender its chemical weapons, So it means no attack / war  rclxms.gif
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Now already USD1365/oz smile.gif
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I predict it would be boring for many suns  wink.gif
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I really hope what u say will come true... make it 10-20 yrs and it'll be superb thumbup.gif
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Haha. Can't wait for maybank's update tmr. Getting ready to buy some grams
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if like this trend, tmrw could be around USD1345/oz rclxms.gif
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if like this trend, tmrw could be around USD1345/oz  rclxms.gif
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Hahah. Anything can happen.
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I really hope what u say will come true... make it 10-20 yrs and it'll be superb  thumbup.gif
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hi just wanna ask as i new in this GIA,so which is best? i mean physical gold or paper gold? sweat.gif sweat.gif
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there always chart on btw sell price and buy price,sell price is when u purchase paper gold from bank and buy price is when you decide to sell it back to the bank,is that right? just need some point here as i'm very noob in this thing sweat.gif
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hi just wanna ask as i new in this GIA,so which is best? i mean physical gold or paper gold? sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Physical is u own the physical form of it. Like u buy gold necklace from poh kong and sell it when the price is high to earn ur profit. Same thing goes to bars/coins. Paper gold is like I pay $ and buy gold in the form of paper. Written in the paper is the amount of gold u own and u sell it at the price u like. If the company go bust, ur money is gone.

Yes, u have to buy and sell according to ur bank's buy/sell price

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why would ppl buy physical gold when paper gold is more easy to invest and has narrow spread??
If buy from Poh Kong at 167
can only sell back at discounted 20-25%.( assume price stagnant)
am i right?
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QUOTE(elfness @ Sep 11 2013, 12:08 PM)
Hi all the sifus here.
why would ppl buy physical gold when paper gold is more easy to invest and has narrow spread??
If buy from Poh Kong at 167
can only sell back at discounted 20-25%.( assume price stagnant)
am i right?
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QUOTE(elfness @ Sep 11 2013, 12:08 PM)
Hi all the sifus here.
why would ppl buy physical gold when paper gold is more easy to invest and has narrow spread??
If buy from Poh Kong at 167
can only sell back at discounted 20-25%.( assume price stagnant)
am i right?
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U'll risk the company go bust. Imagine if u have rm100k worth of paper gold with u and the next day u see, the company bankrupt. Ur rm100k is gone with the company. If u have the physical, u don't have to worry. Like u buy from poh kong and the next day poh kong bankrupt. U no need to worry coz u have ur gold with u.

Another reason ppl buy physical is to curb hyperinflation. Money is being print in every country and it cause inflation. Money might become just a piece of paper. By then, ppl will use gold/silver as money just like few hundred years ago. Google mike Maloney and see for urself.

I invested in GIA (paper gold) instead of a physical gold coz I can't afford the physical. And I'm not investing a lot of money in GIA. Plus, it's a bank... Chances of it going bust is slimmer. It depends on how u look at it.
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Paper gold.
Cheaper when buy.
Narrow spread you want to sell.
Easy to trade.
If company bankrupt investor cannot claim back anything.
but bank very unlikely goes burst right??

Sifus here are mostly invest in physical or paper?

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It would be wise to revisit the wisdom of Buffett and his thoughts on gold:

1. “Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.”

2. “The problem with commodities is that you are betting on what someone else would pay for them in six months. The commodity itself isn’t going to do anything for you….it is an entirely different game to buy a lump of something and hope that somebody else pays you more for that lump two years from now than it is to buy something that you expect to produce income for you over time.”

3. “Gold is a way of going long on fear, and it has been a pretty good way of going long on fear from time to time. But you really have to hope people become more afraid in a year or two years than they are now. And if they become more afraid you make money, if they become less afraid you lose money, but the gold itself doesn’t produce anything."

4. “I will say this about gold. If you took all the gold in the world, it would roughly make a cube 67 feet on a side…Now for that same cube of gold, it would be worth at today’s market prices about $7 trillion – that’s probably about a third of the value of all the stocks in the United States…For $7 trillion…you could have all the farmland in the United States, you could have about seven Exxon Mobils (XOM) and you could have a trillion dollars of walking-around money…And if you offered me the choice of looking at some 67 foot cube of gold and looking at it all day, and you know me touching it and fondling it occasionally…Call me crazy, but I’ll take the farmland and the Exxon Mobils.”

5. “The major asset in this category is gold, currently a huge favorite of investors who fear almost all other assets, especially paper money (of whose value, as noted, they are right to be fearful). Gold, however, has two significant shortcomings, being neither of much use nor procreative. True, gold has some industrial and decorative utility, but the demand for these purposes is both limited and incapable of soaking up new production. Meanwhile, if you own one ounce of gold for an eternity, you will still own one ounce at its end.”

6. “What motivates most gold purchasers is their belief that the ranks of the fearful will grow. During the past decade that belief has proved correct. Beyond that, the rising price has on its own generated additional buying enthusiasm, attracting purchasers who see the rise as validating an investment thesis. As 'bandwagon' investors join any party, they create their own truth — for a while."

7. “I have no views as to where it will be, but the one thing I can tell you is it won’t do anything between now and then except look at you. Whereas, you know, Coca-Cola (KO) will be making money, and I think Wells Fargo (WFC) will be making a lot of money and there will be a lot — and it’s a lot — it’s a lot better to have a goose that keeps laying eggs than a goose that just sits there and eats insurance and storage and a few things like that."
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It would be wise to revisit the wisdom of Buffett and his thoughts on gold:

1. “Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.”

2. “The problem with commodities is that you are betting on what someone else would pay for them in six months. The commodity itself isn’t going to do anything for you….it is an entirely different game to buy a lump of something and hope that somebody else pays you more for that lump two years from now than it is to buy something that you expect to produce income for you over time.”

3. “Gold is a way of going long on fear, and it has been a pretty good way of going long on fear from time to time. But you really have to hope people become more afraid in a year or two years than they are now. And if they become more afraid you make money, if they become less afraid you lose money, but the gold itself doesn’t produce anything."

4. “I will say this about gold. If you took all the gold in the world, it would roughly make a cube 67 feet on a side…Now for that same cube of gold, it would be worth at today’s market prices about $7 trillion – that’s probably about a third of the value of all the stocks in the United States…For $7 trillion…you could have all the farmland in the United States, you could have about seven Exxon Mobils (XOM) and you could have a trillion dollars of walking-around money…And if you offered me the choice of looking at some 67 foot cube of gold and looking at it all day, and you know me touching it and fondling it occasionally…Call me crazy, but I’ll take the farmland and the Exxon Mobils.”

5. “The major asset in this category is gold, currently a huge favorite of investors who fear almost all other assets, especially paper money (of whose value, as noted, they are right to be fearful). Gold, however, has two significant shortcomings, being neither of much use nor procreative. True, gold has some industrial and decorative utility, but the demand for these purposes is both limited and incapable of soaking up new production. Meanwhile, if you own one ounce of gold for an eternity, you will still own one ounce at its end.”

6. “What motivates most gold purchasers is their belief that the ranks of the fearful will grow. During the past decade that belief has proved correct. Beyond that, the rising price has on its own generated additional buying enthusiasm, attracting purchasers who see the rise as validating an investment thesis. As 'bandwagon' investors join any party, they create their own truth — for a while."

7. “I have no views as to where it will be, but the one thing I can tell you is it won’t do anything between now and then except look at you. Whereas, you know, Coca-Cola (KO) will be making money, and I think Wells Fargo (WFC) will be making a lot of money and there will be a lot — and it’s a lot — it’s a lot better to have a goose that keeps laying eggs than a goose that just sits there and eats insurance and storage and a few things like that."
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totally agree with u. but i take my friend's situation, she can only afford monthly rm200 for investment. she would have save the money in savings a/c and earn the interest. instead, she use the money and buy a gram of gold in GIA, although it's riskier than savings a/c, but if she can sell it at higher price, she would have earn higher profit than gaining interest in savings a/c. let's say she buys 1 gram of gold every month (like saving rm200/mth), and sell them at a profitable price (assuming after 10 mth), she would have 10 x rm200 (her initial capital) + profit = rm2xxx. now, that she have more money, she can enter the stock market with it.

the conclusion is, not everybody has the money to buy stocks. some might just be able to squeeze only rm100 a month. while saving for a big chunk of money for bigger games like stocks, GIA is one of the options.

just my 2 cents
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 11 2013, 01:38 PM)
totally agree with u. but i take my friend's situation, she can only afford monthly rm200 for investment. she would have save the money in savings a/c and earn the interest. instead, she use the money and buy a gram of gold in GIA, although it's riskier than savings a/c, but if she can sell it at higher price, she would have earn higher profit than gaining interest in savings a/c. let's say she buys 1 gram of gold every month (like saving rm200/mth), and sell them at a profitable price (assuming after 10 mth), she would have 10 x rm200 (her initial capital) + profit = rm2xxx. now, that she have more money, she can enter the stock market with it.

the conclusion is, not everybody has the money to buy stocks. some might just be able to squeeze only rm100 a month. while saving for a big chunk of money for bigger games like stocks, GIA is one of the options.

just my 2 cents
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LOL that is provided that the price of gold increases in the 10th month. What if the price decreases?
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Gold could fall to $1,250 if Fed tapers next week: UBS

The outlook for gold prices looks gloomy if the Fed goes ahead and begins tapering its securities purchases, Bank of America analysts say.

Such a move at next week’s FOMC meeting would represent the first step in a tightening of the Fed’s monetary policy. An increase in interest rates, or even the promise of increased interest rates demonstrated by tapering bond purchases, would depress gold prices because “rates represent opportunity costs of holding gold,” wrote BofAML metals strategist Michael Widmer in a note. The Fed currently buys $85 billion in mortgage and Treasury debt each month.

Gold prices would probably fall to $1,250 an ounce in the first move, said Joni Teves, an analyst at UBS, in an interview with CNBC on Tuesday. “But I certainly wouldn’t rule out another attempt below $1,200 if, for example, the Fed is more aggressive than the market is currently expecting,” she said in the interview.

“Armed conflicts especially in the Middle East have historically had a visible impact on gold prices through increased geopolitical risk and often oil price spikes,” wrote BofAML analysts. “We believe this time is not different: gold could rally immediately after the conflict starts although the rally could subside if the conflict does not escalate.”

But given the easing of geopolitical tensions, “the key for gold is if the situation escalates or if it is protracted,” said Teves on CNBC.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Sep 11 2013, 12:45 PM)
It would be wise to revisit the wisdom of Buffett and his thoughts on gold:

1. “Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.”

2. “The problem with commodities is that you are betting on what someone else would pay for them in six months. The commodity itself isn’t going to do anything for you….it is an entirely different game to buy a lump of something and hope that somebody else pays you more for that lump two years from now than it is to buy something that you expect to produce income for you over time.”

3. “Gold is a way of going long on fear, and it has been a pretty good way of going long on fear from time to time. But you really have to hope people become more afraid in a year or two years than they are now. And if they become more afraid you make money, if they become less afraid you lose money, but the gold itself doesn’t produce anything."

4. “I will say this about gold. If you took all the gold in the world, it would roughly make a cube 67 feet on a side…Now for that same cube of gold, it would be worth at today’s market prices about $7 trillion – that’s probably about a third of the value of all the stocks in the United States…For $7 trillion…you could have all the farmland in the United States, you could have about seven Exxon Mobils (XOM) and you could have a trillion dollars of walking-around money…And if you offered me the choice of looking at some 67 foot cube of gold and looking at it all day, and you know me touching it and fondling it occasionally…Call me crazy, but I’ll take the farmland and the Exxon Mobils.”

5. “The major asset in this category is gold, currently a huge favorite of investors who fear almost all other assets, especially paper money (of whose value, as noted, they are right to be fearful). Gold, however, has two significant shortcomings, being neither of much use nor procreative. True, gold has some industrial and decorative utility, but the demand for these purposes is both limited and incapable of soaking up new production. Meanwhile, if you own one ounce of gold for an eternity, you will still own one ounce at its end.”

6. “What motivates most gold purchasers is their belief that the ranks of the fearful will grow. During the past decade that belief has proved correct. Beyond that, the rising price has on its own generated additional buying enthusiasm, attracting purchasers who see the rise as validating an investment thesis. As 'bandwagon' investors join any party, they create their own truth — for a while."

7. “I have no views as to where it will be, but the one thing I can tell you is it won’t do anything between now and then except look at you. Whereas, you know, Coca-Cola (KO) will be making money, and I think Wells Fargo (WFC) will be making a lot of money and there will be a lot — and it’s a lot — it’s a lot better to have a goose that keeps laying eggs than a goose that just sits there and eats insurance and storage and a few things like that."
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 11 2013, 02:34 PM)
Gold could fall to $1,250 if Fed tapers next week: UBS

The outlook for gold prices looks gloomy if the Fed goes ahead and begins tapering its securities purchases, Bank of America analysts say.

Such a move at next week’s FOMC meeting  would represent the first step in a tightening of the Fed’s monetary policy. An increase in interest rates, or even the promise of increased interest rates demonstrated by tapering bond purchases, would depress gold prices because “rates represent opportunity costs of holding gold,” wrote BofAML metals strategist Michael Widmer in a note. The Fed currently buys $85 billion in mortgage and Treasury debt each month.

Gold prices would probably fall to $1,250 an ounce in the first move, said Joni Teves, an analyst at UBS, in an interview with CNBC on Tuesday. “But I certainly wouldn’t rule out another attempt below $1,200 if, for example, the Fed is more aggressive than the market is currently expecting,” she said in the interview.

“Armed conflicts especially in the Middle East have historically had a visible impact on gold prices through increased geopolitical risk and often oil price spikes,” wrote BofAML analysts. “We believe this time is not different: gold could rally immediately after the conflict starts although the rally could subside if the conflict does not escalate.”

But given the easing of geopolitical tensions, “the key for gold is if the situation escalates or if it is protracted,” said Teves on CNBC.
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If interest rates increases,

a) the DJ will go to 13000

b) gold will go to 1200

c) US unemployment will rise to 9% in 1Q2014

d) US GDP growth will reverse to sub zero
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LOL that is provided that the price of gold increases in the 10th month. What if the price decreases?
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that's y i said riskier than savings a/c biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 11 2013, 02:55 PM)
that's y i said riskier than savings a/c  biggrin.gif
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So do you add more gram to mbb GIA?

Today price already reduced to rm146/g from rm150

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 11 2013, 03:04 PM)
So do you add more gram to mbb GIA?

Today price already reduced to rm146/g from rm150
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yea, saw it but dunno yet. tongue.gif might wait and see whether it'll go down to 1200/oz like what u posted above. ahaha.. the price is quite stagnant today
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 11 2013, 03:09 PM)
yea, saw it but dunno yet.  tongue.gif might wait and see whether it'll go down to 1200/oz like what u posted above. ahaha.. the price is quite stagnant today
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Nowadays we cannot predict the price. Suddenly it would shot up because of some "war" issues. Suddenly it would dropped because "war" delayed & fed tapering doh.gif

The 1200/oz is just what UBS predicts, don't know can reach that level not hmm.gif
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 11 2013, 03:18 PM)
Nowadays we cannot predict the price. Suddenly it would shot up because of some "war" issues. Suddenly it would dropped because "war" delayed & fed tapering  doh.gif 

The 1200/oz is just what UBS predicts, don't know can reach that level not  hmm.gif
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true... hmm.gif maybe i'll add some. keep some $ to add more if US tapering happens.
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 11 2013, 03:23 PM)
true...  hmm.gif maybe i'll add some. keep some $ to add more if US tapering happens.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 11 2013, 02:51 PM)
If interest rates increases,

a) the DJ will go to 13000

b) gold will go to 1200

c) US unemployment will rise to 9% in 1Q2014

d) US GDP growth will reverse to sub zero
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 11 2013, 12:24 PM)
U'll risk the company go bust. Imagine if u have rm100k worth of paper gold with u and the next day u see, the company bankrupt. Ur rm100k is gone with the company. If u have the physical, u don't have to worry. Like u buy from poh kong and the next day poh kong bankrupt. U no need to worry coz u have ur gold with u.

Another reason ppl buy physical is to curb hyperinflation. Money is being print in every country and it cause inflation. Money might become just a piece of paper. By then, ppl will use gold/silver as money just like few hundred years ago. Google mike Maloney and see for urself.

I invested in GIA (paper gold) instead of a physical gold coz I can't afford the physical. And I'm not investing a lot of money in GIA. Plus, it's a bank... Chances of it going bust is slimmer. It depends on how u look at it.
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just went to maybank apply GIA,staff turned say cant and holder name must be parents/guardian for below 18,btw i'm 17 hv to wait next year,just think to invest earlier for better future and gold price are turn down those months sweat.gif sweat.gif
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what about u? did u add any grams?
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 11 2013, 04:25 PM)
what about u? did u add any grams?
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nope. wait & see the situation biggrin.gif
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nope. wait & see the situation  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hey_there @ Sep 11 2013, 12:24 PM)
U'll risk the company go bust. Imagine if u have rm100k worth of paper gold with u and the next day u see, the company bankrupt. Ur rm100k is gone with the company. If u have the physical, u don't have to worry. Like u buy from poh kong and the next day poh kong bankrupt. U no need to worry coz u have ur gold with u.

Another reason ppl buy physical is to curb hyperinflation. Money is being print in every country and it cause inflation. Money might become just a piece of paper. By then, ppl will use gold/silver as money just like few hundred years ago. Google mike Maloney and see for urself.

I invested in GIA (paper gold) instead of a physical gold coz I can't afford the physical. And I'm not investing a lot of money in GIA. Plus, it's a bank... Chances of it going bust is slimmer. It depends on how u look at it.
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It would be impossible for people to use Gold as money. Gold is simply inefficient as a monetary tool. Paper money is still better but there has to be very strict process to ensure that people do not simply print. Think about this. If gold is being used, then gold mining countries will be very rich instantly which is pretty illogical.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Sep 11 2013, 12:45 PM)
It would be wise to revisit the wisdom of Buffett and his thoughts on gold:

1. “Gold gets dug out of the ground in Africa, or someplace. Then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.”

2. “The problem with commodities is that you are betting on what someone else would pay for them in six months. The commodity itself isn’t going to do anything for you….it is an entirely different game to buy a lump of something and hope that somebody else pays you more for that lump two years from now than it is to buy something that you expect to produce income for you over time.”

3. “Gold is a way of going long on fear, and it has been a pretty good way of going long on fear from time to time. But you really have to hope people become more afraid in a year or two years than they are now. And if they become more afraid you make money, if they become less afraid you lose money, but the gold itself doesn’t produce anything."

4. “I will say this about gold. If you took all the gold in the world, it would roughly make a cube 67 feet on a side…Now for that same cube of gold, it would be worth at today’s market prices about $7 trillion – that’s probably about a third of the value of all the stocks in the United States…For $7 trillion…you could have all the farmland in the United States, you could have about seven Exxon Mobils (XOM) and you could have a trillion dollars of walking-around money…And if you offered me the choice of looking at some 67 foot cube of gold and looking at it all day, and you know me touching it and fondling it occasionally…Call me crazy, but I’ll take the farmland and the Exxon Mobils.”

5. “The major asset in this category is gold, currently a huge favorite of investors who fear almost all other assets, especially paper money (of whose value, as noted, they are right to be fearful). Gold, however, has two significant shortcomings, being neither of much use nor procreative. True, gold has some industrial and decorative utility, but the demand for these purposes is both limited and incapable of soaking up new production. Meanwhile, if you own one ounce of gold for an eternity, you will still own one ounce at its end.”

6. “What motivates most gold purchasers is their belief that the ranks of the fearful will grow. During the past decade that belief has proved correct. Beyond that, the rising price has on its own generated additional buying enthusiasm, attracting purchasers who see the rise as validating an investment thesis. As 'bandwagon' investors join any party, they create their own truth — for a while."

7. “I have no views as to where it will be, but the one thing I can tell you is it won’t do anything between now and then except look at you. Whereas, you know, Coca-Cola (KO) will be making money, and I think Wells Fargo (WFC) will be making a lot of money and there will be a lot — and it’s a lot — it’s a lot better to have a goose that keeps laying eggs than a goose that just sits there and eats insurance and storage and a few things like that."
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He is right about the fear part and there is good reason to fear considering how money is being managed right now. That is the only reason why people are buying gold but it is a very, very valid reason.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Sep 11 2013, 07:43 PM
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Gold Trades Near Three-Week Low as Obama Seeks Syria Delay

Gold futures swung between gains and losses, reaching the lowest in almost three weeks, after U.S. President Barack Obama asked Congress to delay a vote on military action against Syria, diminishing demand for a haven.

“For the time being at least, the Syrian crisis is averted,” David Govett, head of precious metals at Marex Spectron Group in London, said today in an e-mail. “For now, it would seem that the ‘war premium’ has gone. Now we are left with the Federal Open Market Committee meeting next week, where it seems that most people are looking for some sort of quantitative-easing tapering.”

Obama will pursue a Russian proposal to have Syria surrender its chemical weapons to international authorities, he said yesterday from Washington. The development postpones a congressional vote on using military force against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government following an Aug. 21 chemical attack that the U.S. says killed more than 1,400 people.

“Gold prices have started to decline with the declining probability of a military intervention,” Goldman analysts including Jeffrey Currie wrote in a report, issued before Obama’s address. “We continue to expect that gold prices will decline into 2014 on the back of an acceleration in U.S. activity and a less accommodative monetary-policy stance.”

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