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post Mar 30 2007, 12:59 PM

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heya.. some questions on the airbrush:
- what's the pro/cons between gravity feed and bottom feed types of airbrushes? which is recommended for a beginner, or is there no difference?
- what's recommended nozzel size for modelling work? (gunpla, then probly miniatures as well)

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post Mar 30 2007, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(Ratatosk @ Mar 30 2007, 04:14 PM)
My cheap double action is a 0.3mm nozzle. Which I think is good enough.

It's fine enough that I can get good control.

0.2mm is finer, but I imagine that it'll be even more prone to clogging up if u don't use specialized paints, or filter your acrylics after diluting.

And the 0.2mm costs a bit more (rm20), and I didn't think I need it that fine. For miniatures, you can only use the AB for basecoating anyway. Can't paint fine details with AB no matter how fine the nozzle, so no need to go overboard. And the gravity feed cup for the 0.2mm AB is much smaller too. Frequent refilling.
Gravity feed and bottom feed each has pros and cons. Easy to imagine how if u just look at the AB.

Gravity feed, there's a metal cup at the top. Fill it with paint. Spray till finish. Refill paint.
Then when you change colour, pour the left over paint out. Wash it. Flush the nozzle. Then fill with new colour.
And when u want to paint something at a funny angle, like drawing on the ceiling.... paint will fall out of the cup and into your face. Paint won't even reach the nozzle if you paint at a funny angle.

Bottom feed. You just collect lots of bottles. Fill each bottle with the colour you want to use, properly mixed and diluted to how you like it. Screw on the bottle, and spray. Finish with that colour, unscrew, put the cap back on. And next time you want to use the same colour again, it's ready. Effortless, consistent colour results every time.

Then, you put the bottom feed straw in a small bottle of water / cleaner. Spray to flush the nozzle. And you're ready to screw on the next bottle with a new colour.

Very convenient. And can also spray on ceiling.

But need to collect more bottles, which isn't expensive. SGD$1-2 each when I saw at ArtFriend.

Or if you only want to paint ONE drop of colour somewhere... might be wasteful to use a bottle for it, and mix a larger batch of paint that you won't finish. A bit of wastage. No big deal.

Compressor need to use higher pressure to suck the paint up against gravity.

Bottom feed AB is more expensive.

I like the idea of bottom feed. But I didn't want to spend extra on the AB until I'm really serious about the hobby. The gravity will do for what I need it for at the moment.
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cools smile.gif thanks for the reply.. Hmm. in regards to the miniature spraying, I had asked Wolf about it before, and he said that he's able to use airbrushes for more than just base coating. Still wondering how he's doing it though. Gotta drop by his place one of these days, and check with him on news about the airbrush lessons that he's thinking about doing.
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post Apr 11 2007, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(Keinn @ Apr 10 2007, 07:11 PM)
i'm new here.. i'm interested abuot airbrush too.. so normally what do u recommend for a beginner to get started with airbrushing?? is it just the airbrush and the compressor? then what about the paint?? any paint will do? and is there any other stuff we need to add in with the paint b4 spraying it?
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I got meself a sparmax compressor and airbrush. For the compressor, I got the one without the tank, as I figured that for my usage level, I dun need something that expensive as yet. For the airbrush, couldnt decide between the gravity feed or the bottom feed, so I got myself the side feed instead. Comes with both gravity feed cups and bottom feed containers. Costs about RM50 more than just the gravity feed ones, but after using it, its definetely worth the RM50 extra that I paid for it. If I only need to use a bit of a particular color, the gravity feed cone's perfect for it. If I need to use quite a lot of a particular color, then the larger bottom feed bottles is useful.

For paints, I'm still using the acrylics that I've been using for me gundam models all these time (handbrush), which is a mix of Citadel and Tamiya. Normally I just thin using water, but I find that putting in a few drops of alchohol (I use methylated spirits) helps to break down the water tension, and also helps the citadel and tamiya paints to mix together better.
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QUOTE(Keinn @ Apr 11 2007, 02:27 AM)
icic.. so how much did it cost you for a complete set.. i went and ask abuot the airbrush set in a hobby shop and the price was rm 500.. comes with an airbrush and a compressor..
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Wow.. RM500 is cheap. What type of compressor and airbrush is it, and which shop? I got my sparmax compressor and sparmax sidefeed airbrush (double action) with extra feed bottle for RM790, from Petaling Street.
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post Apr 13 2007, 12:55 PM

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There's something that I started pondering on in regards to airbruses. Does anybody wish that there's somekinda laser pointer thingy attached to the airbrush, so they can see precisely there they're pointing at?

Does such a thing even exists?
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post Jun 14 2007, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(erh_teo @ Jun 14 2007, 06:26 PM)


air brush kit (or hand piece)
*single or dual action
Diff is dual action can control paint flow as u are spraying. single also can (correct me if i'm worng notworthy.gif ), but must adjust before spraying, once adjusted, that's the constant amount that comes out.
*gavity flow/side/suction
depends what purpose and usage la..
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if gravity one, is for normal usage, cleaner is easy
if side one is almost like gravity flow cup, but is a bit cumbersome for me
wel for suction/bottom cup is actually recommended when there's a lot of diff paints need to be sprayed as it's easier to change bottles than to clean the normal gravity cup, but is bad if small amount is sprayed, too little paint will have problem for the suction up to the ab.
I was not able to decide between the gravity and bottom feeds, so I got myself a side feed instead (being able to use both gravity and bottom on this). after using it for a while, I kinda wished that I got the gravity feed one after all. Realized that I don't find the bottom feed jars that convenient to use, and now just using the gravity feed cone instead.

QUOTE(erh_teo @ Jun 14 2007, 06:26 PM)
basic component of an air compressor:
1)air compressor (the motor/pump that pumps in air)
2)air tank (reservoir tank)
3)air pressure detector (sort of like limit switch, when detect certain air pressure in the reservoir tank, will cut off the air compressor)
4)air/ moisture trap filter + pressure regulator + pressure gauge (all in 1)
5)socket attached with hose

so anybody can build an air compressor and sell it?
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hmm... if u really want a crude solution, just get some air hoses, the all in one moisture trap + pressure regulartor + pressure gauge, and an old tire from one of those huge trucks smile.gif

although u'll find ppl giving u all kinda funny looks whenever u need to haul it over to the petrol station to refill the air.

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post Jun 19 2007, 11:31 AM

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[quote=erh_teo,Jun 19 2007, 11:09 AM]
[quote=supermen,Jun 17 2007, 02:32 PM]
my own experience using AB for Gunpla:

PAINT:
i use mr. hobby lacquer paints and thin it with industrial thinner which u can buy at hardware shops for rm 3.50 or so per bottle. zebra brand thinner works the best. you don't even need to use mr. retarder for the mr. surfacer to prevent 'webbing'. it will spray out consistently. mr. hobby plus industrial thinner gives a very smooth paint job. till the point that it looks like the plastic was molded in that color.

Are you using the water-based or the thinner-based type (Mr. Color)?

My bro was telling me the thinner based one works better than the water based one. The sprayed texture was more even with less noticeable bubles and "pimples".
the paint also more durable and more scratch-proof..

but the problem is Mr. color doesn't match with water, indrustrial thinner/ alcohol..
just mr.thinner only.. sweat.gif

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acrylics (water based) tends to be annoying to airbrush, for the reason that it clogs up the nozzle too easily. Also its harder to clean the inside of the airbrush, where spraying of thinner through it is not enough, u really need to find something that can scrub the inner chamber.

but the Mr. Color laquer based paints (the thinner based types) mixes well when using industrial thinner though, from what I find. Keep in mind that there's a difference between alcohol and thinner. I use alcohol when mixing the water based ones, but thinner for the lacquer based types.
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post Jun 21 2007, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(erh_teo @ Jun 21 2007, 06:16 PM)
hmm.. i think i tried zebra brand before but forgot whether it's spirit of thinner...
but some thinner has bad effect on plastic sad.gif

hardware thinner.. hmm.. tried many.. but stil will clog after ab sometime..

reason is bcoz the paint itself is not 100% dissolve la.. nex time i shoot some close up pic..

emulsion formation.. anyone has experience??
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Zebra's got both spirit and thinners (it'll say on the bottle). their thinner does tends to erode plastic, but is pretty alright if u use it only for thinning your paints for spraying, but don't try to use it for paint stripping through.

also, the other reason for clogging will be due to the paint drying up too quickly, which can still happen should even though the paint's fully disolved when loaded into the AB
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post Jun 22 2007, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(erh_teo @ Jun 22 2007, 03:03 PM)
ahh... i see smile.gif

i checked mine (zebra brand), it's methylated spirit.. no wonder la..

so wat to do wt the fast drying paint? use retarder? any other options?
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hehe.. I tend to get my mix ups even worse than u smile.gif I keep both spirits (for acrylics) and thinners (for lacquers), and I had reached for the wrong bottle a few times before (they look so damn similar when u're not paying attention), and wondered how come the lacquer paints r not disolving then I mix in the 'thinner' tongue.gif

fast drying paint, apart from using retarders, the only thing that I can think of will be to use more thinner (this will mean that more time spent on spraying though). Also, matt paints tends to clog more often compared to semi gloss or gloss due to their texture. Despite not liking gloss finishings, I tend to use gloss or semi gloss paints more lately (to reduce the clogging), and just finish it off by spraying on a matt coat after
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QUOTE(mdshahrs @ Jun 22 2007, 07:58 PM)
Hi guys.. Im new here.. Just got a question.. Anyone of you knows where to service compressor in KL area.. My compressor seems to have a problem where it will keep pumping the air until the pressure is tooo high and the air cant come out from the airbrush. You even can here the air hissing out from the compressor and the gauge pressure indicator will decrease to 0 PSI.. My only option is to off the switch and let go some of the air from the moisture trap.. Then only I can start spraying back.. It kinda annoying and I kinda afraid of long term damage if it keep continuing to happen like that.. By the way my compressor looks like Ozak one except without the 'Driyer'.. Thanks for the info in advance.
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I havent been airbrushing long enough to need servicing for my compressor, sorry.

But anyways, looking at what u wrote, it sounds a bit weird. if it continues to pump air but nothing comes out of the AB, then it looks like there's a clog somewhere outside of the compressor, especially when it sounds like there's still pressure present in your moisture trap. Of which sounds even stranger when u had mentioned that the pressure gauge states 0 PSI (unless your pressure gauge is not on the moisture trap itself).

if your pressure gauge is on the moisture trap itself, then it might be that part that's the problem, and not the actual compressor itself.
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QUOTE(sooyewguan @ Jun 24 2007, 10:41 PM)
Hi all sifu.  anyone ever tried this tamiya airbrush system ? i wonder is it good for newbie to start with.

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thanks for advise
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can't really tell what it is by just looking, but Tamiya tends to be kinda expensive. What u can do is to drop by Petaling Street, look for Venus Arts. The uncle there is pretty helpful, just tell him that u're looking for an airbrush, and that u're a beginner, and ask for his recommendation.

For the compressor, make sure that its got a moisture trap. For the AB itself, I suggest a gravity feed (like the one in the pic that u had posted) double action. Avoid the single action ones.

What I got was the Sparmax compressor + side feed AB (accepts both top and bottom jars), and thinking about it now, I should have just gotten the top feed ones instead, as I find that I never make use of the bottom jars anymore.
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post Jun 25 2007, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(sooyewguan @ Jun 25 2007, 12:52 AM)
Thanks the info. but i am currently in japan, so need to visit some shop here to see what they are selling.
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oooooo... ought to be far more choices available there. But no idea on how the prices r like though. So far from what I've seen in the earlier posts in this thread, Tamiya's decent, but pricey. Other brands r likely to be better value for money.

Oh yeah, when u shop around for ABs right, u might find that some of the gravity feed types may have rather small sized cones. Don't be put off by those. The one in the pic that u've posted has got a rather large cone, and u'll seldom fill it up fully anyways. Even should u need to spray a lot of the same color at the same time, its better to split it into batches, as you may need to stop halfway and spray thinner (or spirits, depending on your paint type) through the airbrush to clear it up a bit more before continueing.
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post Jun 25 2007, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(sooyewguan @ Jun 25 2007, 02:08 AM)
not really sure whats the price in malaysia. but the tamiya system above is selling around RM 500.00 here. hope thats not too expensive.

but the bundled AB is single action only, and i think there are no moisture trap also
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Really got no clue about the pricing of the Tamiya ones.. sorry.

I got my Sparmax compressor (with moisture trap) and my Sparmax sidefeed double action AB for RM790, off Venus Arts at Petaling Street. I guess u can use that figure to compare the prices over there for something similar.

U'll definetely need a moisture trap for your compressor, due to Malaysia's relatively high level of humidity. Also, even for beginners, the single action is not really worth it, as it kinda lacks the control level that u can get from the double action. The starting cost for an AB kit is high enough that you might as well pay that extra and get the double action AB guns than start with a single action.
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QUOTE(sooyewguan @ Jun 25 2007, 04:55 PM)
Came across with this cheap double action AB today, can switch between gravitiy or bottom paint bottle. Price around RM80.00.

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Seems good enough for begineer to begin with.
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Yeah, RM80 is a great deal for this one. Cant really tell how good it is, but well, its pretty well priced for you to start experimenting on before getting a better one.
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QUOTE(neshh @ Jun 25 2007, 07:36 PM)
Hi there,

This airbrush thing seems very interesting. I would like to learn about it. Anyone can help/guide me here? I am graphic designer.
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AB is nice smile.gif However I mainly use it for models, so cant really help u much on the part of being a graphic designer. But check this out. This' what I think that u're after?

http://www.khulsey.com/demo_howto_airbrush_technique.html
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QUOTE(earlydevilex @ Jun 27 2007, 10:23 PM)
grafiti  at bts.selling 580 whole set compressor+ab+regulator
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any idea what's the brand of the AB?
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if its just a little RM200 difference (real small amount when it comes to AB sets), I'll say go for the Iwata instead. Honestly, RM500 for an Iwata set is dirt heap, and Iwata is the brand that most pro modellers swear by.

And yes, that's the paint suitable for AB use. How long it'll last would really depend on your model itself, and how u mix the paint.

There's 2 types actually. One is the one that u had posted (acrylic, water based). There's another type from Mr Hobby with a different cap, of which is lacquer, also of the same size. I would prefer to use lacquer (thinner based) for airbrushing though, as I find that lacquers clogs less in the airbrush.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 30 2007, 01:36 AM)
Is it the iwata AB come with the compressor and cost RM500? Where can I get it? I think it quite cheap.
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well, the fellow's in Japan right now, so if u want it, you'll have to beg him to get it for u first, then u pay him when u collect from him back in Malaysia smile.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Jun 30 2007, 10:57 AM)
I see. Thaught can get it here. Any shop got sell it at here? My single and double action AB spoil liau. Thinking of get a good AB.
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I guess your best bet locally will be Venus Arts over in Petaling Street. Not too sure how much they're selling and what choices they've got though, but I got my sparmax from there. The uncle there is pretty friendly and helpful too. I'm likely to make another trip there sometime soon to look for a dedicated gravity feed AB.

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