Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

Enquiries/Recommendations GE 40 vs Y410p vs Illegear RE-13 Pro, Recommnedation/Suggestion Needed

views
     
Areas Elysian
post Jul 26 2013, 12:32 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
User of the GE40 here. I have mine with a 128GB SSD, 256GB SSD and a 1TB HDD.

Just fyi, weight wise the GE40 is the lightest of the lot at 1.9kg.

With Illegear, get the most basic spec and do the upgrade yourself. Get it naked if you can. Their upgrade pricing is really expensive, better to just source it yourself.

With that out of the way, you need to ask yourself what are you going to use it for? What do you value?

My reasoning for the GE40. The best balance between performance, battery life and weight. The screen does leave a lot to be desired, but that is if you have an IPS next to it. On its own you don't really notice it.
Areas Elysian
post Jul 27 2013, 01:17 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(marquis @ Jul 26 2013, 02:51 PM)
Anyways, regarding the Illlegear, if I were to get it as bare as possible though, wouldn't upgrading it myself void whatever warranty they give?

On a different note, is RM 550 really worth it for the bump to the display and GPU?

HD+        --> FHD
GTX 760M --> GTX 765M

I'll be using it mostly for work...and a bit of play. Somewhere in the 60/40 distribution? For work it'll be mainly used for Excel (Many many many open at the same time). For play; AI, PS, with a bit of gaming on the side. Mostly RPG, and old ones at that - Skyrim, D3, Dragonage (Not too demanding I think). Much later on I'll also hope to use it for Solid Works and AutoCad (not too much on AutoCad though). Finally probably some Matlab thrown in.

I need it to be as light as possible (within reasonable means of course) since there is a chance I'll be travelling a lot for work. I was from the old skool Inspiron 1520 (the only gen with a dGPU I think), and that piece of machine is not light...especially if you take the public transport. Especially so in Malaysia, with the crowd and heat.

Thank you for the feedback regarding the screen btw. Much appreciated. So the screen isn't so bad if you're out and about then? Is the difference moving from a FHD to an HD+ very jarring or is it acceptable?
Don't really have a budget? Though I think the most I would fork out for a lappie at this point in time is RM 4,000. Since I don't think anything more than that is justified for someone that's not really a hardcore gamer.
*
Just remember that moving from HD+ to FHD increases the processing power needed for gaming from the GPU.

But base on your work with AI,PS and what not, you would appreciate the higher resolution as well as an IPS screen.

Both the GE40 and RE-13 are similar in weight, so you won't feel much difference there.

One thing you can have going for the Illegear though is you can spec it without any HDD and RAM and what not.. so you can easily just use some old parts for now as make shift if budget is an issue.
Areas Elysian
post Jul 27 2013, 10:42 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(Unomi @ Jul 27 2013, 10:32 AM)
Why dont try the newest Alienware? Mx14 is around the same price range as illegear re-13.

If you are not a hardcore gamer, my advise is Lenovo Y410P. Cheap and good. But you dont expect top performance. xD
*
He doesn't want something too heavy. Unfortunately the Mx14 is like almost 4kg for a 14" machine.
Areas Elysian
post Jul 28 2013, 07:35 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(jin_akira @ Jul 27 2013, 02:33 PM)
wow you can add parts to the laptop yourself? where to get the parts? is it as widespread as desktop parts?
*
Laptop parts, but you can get it easily anywhere.

HDD will be 2.5" sized versus 3.5" on desktops, there's also mSATA which is even smaller.. RAMs also using smaller RAMs, not desktop ones, but can find easily.
Areas Elysian
post Jul 29 2013, 01:47 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(Prince J @ Jul 29 2013, 11:24 AM)
Just a note.

We have been receiving many reports that inexperienced users failed to upgrade their system/ port over their own parts /installing their own OS.

If there is physical damage done by users when they are upgrading their laptop the warranty void.

ILLEGEAR guides users how to install their own OS/ parts but we hold no responsibility when users failed to do so.

Therefore it's advisable to pre-order everything you want when you order.
*
What kind of physical damage could installing your own OS cause?
Areas Elysian
post Jul 31 2013, 02:19 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jul 30 2013, 03:02 PM)
Bloody ell. I've had my GE40 for only a WEEK and NOW the Aspire V7 premium comes out. I very jelly now. Damn you Acer.

But seriously, here's my 50 cents to the matter.

WARNING, THIS GETS LONG! Even without the stuff in the spoiler.

<My take on the GE40>
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


TL;DR: The MSI GE40 is the spiritual successor to the Compaq V3000, but with hugely upgraded internals.

So, will I recommend the GE40 to someone else? I will, but with clear caveats.

If you're looking for an balanced blend of mobility and power at a great price, and you're ready to accept the compromises that come with it; then by all means, the GE40 is a great choice. If you want a bit more power at the cost of mobility, pick the RE13. Although running stuff at full HD with the RE13's 765 should equal running stuff on 900p with the GE40's 760 90% of the time. 

Plus the RE13 ALSO runs almost as hot as the GE40 -  so the only thing you're gonna get with the RE13 is a brighter, HD screen (that might suffer from IPS bleed, and is NOT the better one from ChiMei), better more robust construction (that is still, unfortunately, largely plastic) and less battery life (4 hours tops). Another plus is that you get on-site service.

As for the Y410P, NOT having the 900p variant come into Malaysia was the worse decision Lenovo ever made. Otherwise, it's cheap and you get a chance to SLI BUT that's about it. Well, IMHO it's being sold for below 3k for a reason.

As for the V7, as envious as I am, it's an Acer. An ACER! Oh the memories of broken hinges, subpar construction and drawn out warranty claims. It's the sexiest "gaming"  ultrabook I know of though, other than the Razer Blade and the Gigabyte Ultrablade (lol at the names)...

... BUT IT'S AN ACER!
*
Which V7 are you talking about specifically? I know it comes in various screen sizes and what not... And AFAIK, the V7s all comes with Dual Core only.. so not as good as the Quads in the GE40 when it comes to PhotoShop and Lightroom.

Also, for those who are not too into warranties etc and want to take the leap, GE40 purchased from Amazon for RM4250 delivered from the USA, comes with mSATA board (2x slots) and ODD Bay SATA slot. Stock with 128GB mSATA SSD (SanDisk) and 750GB SATA 7200rpm (Hitachi).
Areas Elysian
post Jul 31 2013, 11:50 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(marquis @ Jul 31 2013, 11:39 AM)
I was made to believe that MSI has an international warranty for the first year? If that's the case, it's really just getting a reduced warranty for better specs. The amazon link you gave earlier didn't have a promotion anymore. So I guess prospective buyers should have it bookmarked.

--------------
Thanks again for the input guys!
*
Yes, the warranty is international for the first year. Let me get the quote from that seller's listing. It's 1st year international, 2nd year USA.
Areas Elysian
post Jul 31 2013, 12:01 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(marquis @ Jul 31 2013, 11:39 AM)
edit: WTH? Click once and it double posts sweat.gif
*
Yes, it is still up, I just checked... But boo.... shipping is now @ US $348.05... not worth it anymore..

This was what I had earlier:

Items Ordered Price
1 of: MSI G Series GE40 2OC-009US 14-Inch Laptop (Black/Red) [Personal Computers]
Condition: New
Sold by: EXCaliberPC (seller profile)
$1,299.90


Item(s) Subtotal: $1,299.90
Shipping & Handling: $47.98
-----
Total before tax: $1,347.88
Sales Tax: $0.00
-----
Total for This Shipment: $1,347.88
-----

Oh well.. I was lucky then.. Most likely he undercharged me for shipping..
Areas Elysian
post Aug 1 2013, 11:58 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(Amal @ Aug 1 2013, 09:40 PM)
The display on the RE13-Pro is so awesome until you can even play games at 1366x768 resolution, and still looks superb(no blurry).
*
I stopped reading after that. Scientifically, anything BUT the native resolution of a LCD panel will always lead to some kind of an excess blur, one way or another.

It just means your eyes are ok with it, that's all. Don't get me wrong, it's good you're loving it. That's all that matters really, but just be careful if someone more sensitive listens to your advice and buys it. They'll be solely disappointed.

QUOTE(Eiraku @ Aug 1 2013, 10:50 PM)
Also, "supposedly" IPS screens ghost more than TN at this point - which was the main reason Razer stuck with TN for their Blades. Whether or not this is true remains to be seen though. ld look a BILLION times better than my shitty angles 900p panel lol - even if that shitty panel takes about 6 hours to die off.
*
From memory, they were talking about 14" 900p screens, how in that level, the IPS screens at that size and/or resolution were really bad with regards to response speed at the 30-40+ms, hence the usage of TN. Illegear is at 13.3", so at that size the quality of IPS screens could be better. I mean you see IPS screens that achieves <10ms often..
Areas Elysian
post Aug 13 2013, 11:52 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(marquis @ Aug 13 2013, 10:44 AM)
As of right now and the sudden hike in unexpected expenditures, I don't forsee my self buying one anytime within the next two months sweat.gif

To answer your question though, it's either the GE40 or the RE13.

It all really boils down to what Eiraku has (so kindly) pointed out. Mobility in terms of battery life.

I love it when all these people pop in! I learn lotsa new stuff biggrin.gif

Thanks again guys smile.gif

PS: Unseen, why are you so intent on knowing which one I pick? sweat.gif

PPS: Lemme know if this thread should be closed. I think leaving it open is a brilliant idea tongue.gif
*
Two months.. many things can happen in that time. Yeah.. GE40 or the RE13 seems to be the usual two candidates for powerful small-ish machines that will not burn a hole so big in your wallet that your balls gets burnt too.

Also, it's normal for people to want to know the choice of others. It builds confidences in their decisions or future decisions etc. LOL. Or will give them reason to doubt or reinforce their own decisions.
Areas Elysian
post Aug 13 2013, 02:55 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 13 2013, 02:30 PM)
well if you ever wanted to actually  own big boy gaming notebook you come buy my notebook in 3 month time MSI GT70(gtx780m)  i probably selling around 5.5K... i buy high end notebook  twice or three time  a year... so i also sell my used notebook in 4-6 month...

x
Edit: i may buy Illegear 17 RX... seem Single powerful GPU not enough to my taste... maybe dual... try Alienware..Asus G series and now MSI GT series maybe Illegear next...  blush.gif
*
Why do you like dual?

I just moved from dual GTX 580 on my desktop to single GTX 780.

I find dual very bugger, lots of issues and doesn't give the kind of yield you would expect. Plus it's hot and is taking up lots of slots.. LOL
Areas Elysian
post Aug 13 2013, 03:25 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Aug 13 2013, 03:20 PM)
oh my... when i say dual... dual GPU notebook.. smile.gif  smile.gif
*
Yeah, I know it's dual GPU notebook, but doesn't the same still apply? SLi scaling + power consumption + drivers compatibility.
Areas Elysian
post Aug 13 2013, 05:00 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(marquis @ Aug 13 2013, 03:43 PM)
Going back on track, is a full HD on a 13/14 incher overkill though? Thoughts?
*
You will need the grunts to push the FPS out. Most notebook at that size lacks the GPU power for FullHD if you're gaming. If you're not gaming at all, the higher the resolution the better.
Areas Elysian
post Aug 14 2013, 11:29 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(marquis @ Aug 14 2013, 10:07 AM)
So in other words, get a FullHD for other utilities but when gaming, scale it down to a lower resolution? That'd work right?
*
Try it out for yourself. Some people can see the differences, others can't.

For me, down scaling almost always results in blurred fonts and details. Though I have not seen in real life a 13.3" FullHD to HD down scaling. It's just something like speakers/headphones. Some people can tell the difference and are picky, others don't care and as long as there's bass, they're happy.

QUOTE(marquis @ Aug 14 2013, 10:07 AM)
IMHO, the idea of a gaming laptop has been oversold and not to mention, overused. For someone such as yourself, then perhaps it has it's merits...however my years in uni lugging around a 15" old skool Dell was really not pleasant. In retrospect, I didn't even need all that power - I spent more time with word and excel than anything else! sweat.gif The only saving grace was the dreadful cold of Aberdeen so you don't sweat much laugh.gif

So I've promised myself never again, to get something heavy and bulky. When I say notebook, I mean something not  likely heavier than a book. Portable means I can lug it around half the day and not worry about stunted shoulders laugh.gif
*
I, myself, ever since my first year Uni days with a 15" old school Dell, decided to just assemble a Shuttle SFF computer. Since I really only moved it between Australia and Malaysia, and it was more powerful than any laptops back then (mobile GPU was only then just starting out, so mainly just low end GPUs).

QUOTE(Amal @ Aug 13 2013, 08:08 PM)
Sorry that last time I forgot to mention that mine is using Chi Mei LCD.  tongue.gif

Btw, just had a game of Battlefield 3 on 1366x768 on Ultra today in my office.
My colleague is so amaze that it play so smooth and it looks so sharp and beautiful.
Though he already own a GTX 780 gaming desktop rig at home.

Poisoning TS more.  brows.gif
*
What monitor does your friend who has the GTX780 play on? For me, I will never be amazed with 1366x768, no matter what the details settings are at. Of course, that's after playing it on a 2560x1440 27".

QUOTE(marquis @ Aug 14 2013, 10:07 AM)
Way to go man. Seriously, my fortitude saving throw isn't good against poison of this type sweat.gif

Since you've used it for a while now, how do you rate the battery life of the RE-13? I'm talking in terms of non-gaming use - Excel, Office, Web Browsing etc.
*
While I do not have a RE-13, I can give you my 2cents worth on the GE40. On Power Saving mode (brightness 50%, CPU max 50%), I can go for 5+ hours of excel, office, web browsing. Web Browsing consumes the most power.

On Balance mode (brightness 80%, CPU max 99% so no Turbo Boost), I get about 3-4 hours.

The real killer here for me is the GPU, consuming most of the power.
Areas Elysian
post Aug 14 2013, 09:53 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(Amal @ Aug 14 2013, 05:32 PM)
Unfortunately the battery only last 2.5-3 hours on web surfing, microsoft office app.
Hoping that a BIOS will solve the battery issues.
Maybe I should change to 4702MQ if it does help a bit.  hmm.gif
He is using a normal 1920x1080 24".
Translate to 91.71 pixels per inch.

That must be one nice monitor you have there. Mine is only 1920x1080 on 24" at home like my colleague.  sad.gif

So, a 2560x1440 on 27" is around 108.79 pixels per inch.
A 1366x768 on 13.3" is around 117.83 pixels per inch.
I'm guessing it should looks almost the same, if not of the slight blur due to the non-native resolution.
With Ultra settings on Battlefield 3, it enables all the highest Antialiasing features and so on, to make it look more sharper.

It actually looks much better than the sample.
*
You're comparing raw ppi, but you must remember, at higher resolution, you can have larger UIs as well and the fonts and from sitting back at normal viewing distance, it's pretty damn nice. Not to poison you. tongue.gif

Also, your friend is crazy to have a GTX780 for a FullHD screen. That's overkill. If I was still using my 24" monitor I would have stuck to my GTX580 SLi as that handled everything thrown at it.

Most likely what made the 1366x768 look decent on the 13.3" was the fact that the screen is FullHD to begin with, so with that many pixels there, it down scaled nicely.
Areas Elysian
post Aug 15 2013, 08:53 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(Amal @ Aug 14 2013, 10:28 PM)
I have actually many times thought of changing my current LCD(5 years old) to one like yours(27" 2560x1440).
But then I'm only using it to connect to my laptop(got no desktop), which is definitely not powerful enough to game on it. sad.gif
Unless it still looks good when scaling to 1920x1080. Does it?

About my colleague, he bought the PC(not including monitor) from his rich friend at a very good price. Lucky him.

Yup, it most probably is because of the many pixels on the 13.3" LCD.
*
Yeah, in that sense the retina resolution on the MBP isn't too bad as well then if scaling is decent. I'll definitely make it a point to take a look when possible.

RE: Monitor, while I enjoy the quality of the 27" and the resolution at 2560x1440, I feel the money needed on graphic cards hurts the experience. LOL. And no, scaling it down doesn't look good, otherwise I wouldn't have upgraded to the GTX780 and just scaled it down.
Areas Elysian
post Aug 16 2013, 01:47 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(marquis @ Aug 15 2013, 03:19 PM)
Will take note on the screen advice...though based on what Amal has posted...don't seem too bad tbh. Helps when I need the extra real estate on the screen (seeing as to how tiny it actually is).

As someone pointed out earlier, the slightly better GPU of the RE-13 would be better at handling FullHD as opposed to the the GE40.
*
It's still a 13 incher. While it may have FullHD vs 900p, it's not like you are sitting any closer to be able to use smaller icons/fonts and to make use of the more resolution real estate, you have to remember that. So it's mainly only for a sharper experience, not so much real esate.

Also, the resolution difference bump to 1080p from 900p is 44%. Just ask yourself the question, is the GTX765m 44% better than the GTX760m? That will answer your question. This is only for gaming. Windows and all, browsing etc it'll have no problems at all.

QUOTE(Amal @ Aug 15 2013, 10:40 PM)
Update : After putting on power saver mode, turning off unnecessary apps, reduce the screen brightness to a viewable level, based on the estimation, it can last around 3.5-4 hours of web surfing.
*
Can you get a program or something to find out what is your computer's power draw from its batteries?

Currently my GE40 draws 8-9w when idle on power safer. On regular usage like opening folders, words/office etc typing and all, it draws between 9-11. When I start web browsing it draws anywhere between 9-12/13.

Battery capacity is about 60Wh+, so you can easily see how the 5+ hours battery of the GE40 came from.

Also, did you have any extra peripherals connected to your laptop? External mouse, wireless dongle etc?

My test is from using the laptop and only the laptop, no extra devices connected.
Areas Elysian
post Aug 16 2013, 06:08 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
QUOTE(Amal @ Aug 16 2013, 04:56 PM)
Yup, wait if you can wait. Buy when you really need it.

Hopefully the next batch of RE13 doesn't change the LCD to other than Chi Mei IPS.

Brightness were at 30-40%.
Though at 0% doesn't mean that you can't see anything at all.

Again, that is all just estimation.
Haven't done a proper test yet.
I'm only looking at BatteryBar. Not sure if it is accurate.

When browsing, it hover around 14W-18W.
Battery capacity is 62,160mW.
Tested with no peripherals connected, and no keyboard light.

Really jelly looking at your power draw.  cry.gif

My Vaio S is around 6W on idle, 8W-9W web surfing. Good in terms of battery, but two times weaker.  tongue.gif
*
QUOTE(Amal @ Aug 16 2013, 05:41 PM)
A comparison of the GE40 and RE13 LCD.

GE40 - AUO B140RTN03.0
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


So, you have to set your priority right.
Superb Screen Quality or Superb Battery Life?  biggrin.gif
*
That 2.19W is a big difference when you think about it.. it adds a lot.. I wonder if there's a software that figures out the power draw of the processor as well in real time. Maybe it's another 1-2W difference from there, which makes it on par. Currently my battery meter is showing my battery to have 61.527 Wh of max charge capacity, so it's not a difference in battery size.

Yeah.. big difference in the power draw.. need to find someone with the 4702 on the cleavo to do a comparison/monitoring..
Areas Elysian
post Aug 21 2013, 12:09 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,132 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
I wonder what is the difference with battery life between the GE40 and RE13 under full-load if both are running without Turbo Boost on, because I never run with Turbo Boost on my GE40 if it's on battery.

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0257sec    0.67    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 5th December 2025 - 03:53 PM