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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V134, CI step into 1800, are you happy?

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post Jul 30 2013, 04:59 PM

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Looks like still got people asking extension for bullish market. Anyway, this week, it's freaking bad for my profile.
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Probably after a slight correction, then we are on riding mode again?
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jul 30 2013, 05:07 PM)
Probably after a slight correction, then we are on riding mode again?
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ride on a bull or a donkey? tongue.gif
Took almost 1week to break 1800 but 1 day to break below 1800 :/ Irony
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Who knows? Not yet UMNO AGM then still can ride on I guess.. Haha.

Later break, no more wait you again.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jul 30 2013, 05:17 PM)
Who knows? Not yet UMNO AGM then still can ride on I guess.. Haha.

Later break, no more wait you again.
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hahah market bad i kacau abit only. yeah, once kerbau datang, kerbau pun boleh terbang
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QUOTE(ivanau88 @ Jul 30 2013, 04:30 PM)
feng shui started few hundred years back...probably thousands... go against ar tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ivanau88 @ Jul 30 2013, 05:18 PM)
hahah market bad i kacau abit only. yeah, once kerbau datang, kerbau pun boleh terbang
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Are you hinting Terbau akan terbang? hmm.gif
Got it! Thanks for the tipsy! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Top Gun @ Jul 30 2013, 05:28 PM)
Are you hinting Terbau akan terbang? hmm.gif
Got it! Thanks for the tipsy! tongue.gif
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kelong d dont find me. me talking about bull yawn.gif
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post Jul 30 2013, 05:43 PM

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Fitch downgrades Malaysia outlook to “negative” from “stable ”
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 30 2013, 05:43 PM)
Fitch downgrades Malaysia outlook to “negative” from “stable ”
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what a news at what a time....feng shui chart says it all
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QUOTE(ivanau88 @ Jul 30 2013, 05:49 PM)
what a news at what a time....feng shui chart says it all
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Quite many bad news if u read the Edge. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 30 2013, 05:43 PM)
Fitch downgrades Malaysia outlook to “negative” from “stable ”
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BolehLand Bond need to hike cuupon rate hmm.gif
Reits supress again ???
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 30 2013, 05:56 PM)
BolehLand Bond need to hike cuupon rate  hmm.gif
Reits supress again ???
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Malaysia bonds hit 3.97 % today . hmm.gif

10B RM bond matures tomorrow, with heavy FF outflow expected.

RM is getting hit. hard.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 30 2013, 06:00 PM)
Malaysia bonds hit 3.98 % today .  hmm.gif

10B RM bond matures tomorrow, with heavy FF outflow expected.

RM is getting hit. hard.
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meaning tomorrow will be HELL to the traders
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QUOTE(ivanau88 @ Jul 30 2013, 06:01 PM)
meaning tomorrow will be HELL to the traders
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HOLLAND for reits ?
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 30 2013, 06:00 PM)
Malaysia bonds hit 3.98 % today .  hmm.gif

10B RM bond matures tomorrow, with heavy FF outflow expected.

RM is getting hit. hard.
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hi sky 1809,


can you share which site you reference BolehLand BOND yield ?
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 30 2013, 06:04 PM)
hi sky 1809,
can you share which site you reference BolehLand BOND yield ?
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Ringgit drops to three-year low
Malaysia's ringgit fell to a three-year low on concern global investors will repatriate funds after US$2.9 billion of sovereign debt matures tomorrow.

The local-currency bonds "may have a large proportion of foreign ownership" and capital outflows could cause the ringgit to underperform, Dariusz Kowalczyk, a Credit Agricole CIB strategist in Hong Kong, wrote in a research note today. The yield on the government's benchmark three-year notes ended yesterday at the highest level since November 2008, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

"One of the factors that is behind the depreciation in the ringgit has been the large redemption of Malaysian government securities," said Khoon Goh, a senior strategist at Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Ltd in Singapore. "That has got the market somewhat concerned that we're going to see some large outflows from the bond market."

The ringgit declined 0.3 per cent to 3.2365 per dollar as of 10.03am in Kuala Lumpur, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. It earlier touched 3.2379, the weakest level since July 1, 2010. It has fallen for five straight days, the longest losing streak since December 2012, and depreciated 2.4 per cent this month and 5.5 per cent in 2013.

Global funds held 33 per cent of Malaysian sovereign notes in May, the highest proportion among Southeast Asia's biggest economies, according to central bank and Finance Ministry data. This renders the nation's securities vulnerable to a global sell-off, Arjun Shetty, a rate strategist in Singapore at Deutsche Bank AG, said last week.

The government will auction RM4.5 billion of 2020 securities today, according to data published on the central bank's website.

The ringgit also weakened amid concern about a possible deterioration of Malaysia's current-account balance, Goh said. The surplus fell to RM8.7 billion in the January-March period from RM22.9 billion in the preceding three months, official data show. The nation may record an US$800 million current-account deficit in the second quarter, the first shortfall since 1997, according to a July 26 note from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

One-month implied volatility in the ringgit, a measure of expected moves in exchange rates used to price options, rose 16 basis points, or 0.16 percentage point, to 8.30 per cent.

Government bonds declined. The yield on the 3.48 per cent notes due March 2023 climbed four basis points to 3.97 per cent, the highest since the notes were issued in March, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.-- Bloomberg


KUALA LUMPUR (July 31): BNP Paribas is of the view that Malaysia faces a possible sovereign downgrade if its economic growth slows and the reforms stalled.

The research house also sees a weaker ringgit ahead due to fiscal strain.

“With revenues remaining stagnant at best, Malaysia’s debt-to-revenue ratio at 237% in 2012 is already well above the ‘A’ range medians of 137%.

“This puts the sovereign at risk of an outlook downgrade should growth falter or reforms stall,” said a country strategy report on Malaysia by PNB Paribas.

In the same report, it said the US dollar/ringgit will see more volatility as Malaysia’s current account surplus buffer gets eroded and investors hedge themselves through the currency.

“We currently have a forecast of 3.15 by end of this year and 3.30 by end 2014. We are revising these up to 3.25 and 3.35 respectively,” it said.

Below is the full report by PNB Paribas dated July 29, written by its analysts Yii Hui Wong and Mirza Baig:

“Our recent trip to Malaysia has cemented our bearish view on Malaysian rates and the currency.

Policymakers appear too sanguine on the growth and debt outlook and politics are still playing a role in key fiscal reform decisions.

The weakness in the fiscal outlook is not new. The government has been beating the drum on fiscal consolidation for years. Yet, the official government debt / GDP ratio has continued to climb, now just 1.5% short of the 55% of GDP ceiling.

In an environment of strong growth and robust capital inflows, this could be easily brushed aside as was the case for 2012 and much of this year.

However, growth is moderating, led by the drag from net exports and a loss in momentum from investment spending. With China slowing and Fed tapering expected to impact inflows negatively, this will amplify worries over debt sustainability.

Fiscal reforms remain distant…

We expect the trigger for a further sell-off in MGS to be the debt ceiling issue and the lack of fiscal reforms both on the revenue and expenditure side.

On the revenue side, the GST implementation is key to broadening the tax base. Petroleum-related revenues contributed 30% of RM207.2 billion of federal government revenues in 2012 with half of this came as dividends from Petronas.

Instead of a fixed amount of RM30 billion as dividends, Petronas has repeatedly stated that it would be moving gradually to a 30% (of profits) dividend distribution which implies approximately RM12-15bn (or 6%-8% of revenue) reduction eventually.

A simple back-of-the-envelope calculation implies that the GST rate will have to be a minimum of 5-6% rather than the original 4% if rolled out together with other comprehensive tax reform measures.

We remain sceptical that these can be carried out especially as the budget is likely to be passed in October, before the UMNO general assembly elections for party leadership.

Even then, it is assumed in our projections that the GST will be implemented immediately and effectively whereas the reality is that GST would have a lead-in period of around 12-18 months.

With revenues remaining stagnant at best, Malaysia’s debt-to-revenue ratio at 237% in 2012 is already well above the ‘A’ range medians of 137%.

This puts the sovereign at risk of an outlook downgrade should growth falter or reforms stall.

On the expenditure side, subsidies take up about 19% of total expenditure with around 10-12% as fuel subsidies. Plans to cut subsidies on the widely used RON 95 grade of petrol have been shelved since December 2010.

Interest payments also take up about 11% of total expenditures, so a back-up in yields would put additional strains.

And given the UMNO elections, it seems unlikely that the government would cut food and fuel subsidies any time this year. Instead, development spending may be cut to plug the gap, though this may hurt growth.

… and support for ringgit is fading

Compounding the issues in fiscal sustainability is the structural decline of the current account surplus – largely driven by the deteriorating trade balance.

Our economists have pencilled in a current account surplus of 4% of GDP for this year and 2% for 2014 with risks on the downside.

Commodity exports make up around 30% of the export basket and the price impact on export growth has been the driver of the decline.

In the electronics sector which makes up another 30% of exports, a turnaround is unlikely to materialize in the near-term as demand for the traditional PC hardware that Malaysia produces remains muted.

With net FDI flows remaining negative, portfolio inflows waning, and locals continuing to buy USD, the support for MYR and local currency bonds is diminishing.

Bear steepening in MGS

While MGS net supply for the rest of the year is a manageable MYR8.8 billion and the next big redemption month is only in October (with MYR6bn worth of redemptions), foreign holdings are around 47% of MGS.

We believe that much of these holdings are underwater, exacerbated by currency losses.

Through 2011/12, USDMYR was trading below 3.20. 3Y and 5Y MGS yields were also trading below 3.47% and 3.66% respectively.

The pain threshold for some investors could already have been breached given where the currency and bonds are now trading.

As regards local support, we understand that local investors have been mostly buying GIIs, quasi-sovereign debt or corporate paper as these provide higher yields.

For example, insurer holdings of MGS paper has remained relatively stable around 8-9% of outstanding stock while banks have maintained it around 13-14%.

Otherwise, some of them have been looking to diversify to invest in other markets, primarily in Korea and Thailand.

Even the national pension fund, EPF, already hold 30.8% of outstanding MGS. They have their own mandates to fulfil and we do not expect them to be a large support for MGS in the event of a sell-off. BNM currently holds only 0.5% of outstanding stock of MGS and technically can buy up to 10% of any issue in their normal monetary operations.

However, should they step in, we think that it would only serve to shake confidence than bolster it.

We recommend shortening duration in bonds and establishing 3s10s steepeners in swaps at 82bps. The 3Y10Y spreads in bonds and swaps are currently 47bps and 92bps respectively.

We are targeting 100bps in bond spreads and 130 bps in swap spreads. Bonds could underperform swaps as the proliferation of range accrual products onshore could weigh on steepening momentum (refer Chart 8). Carry is slightly positive at 1bp per month on these trades.

There are two domestic risks to the steepening view. First, if the administration surprisingly delivers fiscal reforms, then it would likely convince ratings agencies to delay a sovereign downgrade.

It would come as a sharp surprise to the market too, which has adopted a resigned and bearish attitude towards Malaysian fixed income. As such, the Malaysia budget announcement in October 2013 presents an unusually high event risk for the market.

The second risk is if BNM were to hike rates. Clearly the growth outlook does not support tightening, though if MYR depreciation takes on IDR or INR type proportions, BNM would be in a bind.

On the currency, we think USD/MYR will see more volatility as the current account surplus buffer gets eroded and investors hedge themselves through the currency.

We currently have a forecast of 3.15 by end of this year and 3.30 by end 2014. We are revising these up to 3.25 and 3.35 respectively.”

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Those bond funds NAV are moving downwards too. So that's just because of the market value? As they not necessarily selling their bond holdings right? As those are low risk funds, they mostly will hold the bond to receive steady interest income right? If this is the case, we may consider to buy at low? notworthy.gif

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 30 2013, 06:26 PM)
Those bond funds NAV are moving downwards too. So that's just because of the market value? As they not necessarily selling their bond holdings right? As those are low risk funds, they mostly will hold the bond to receive steady interest income right? If this is the case, we may consider to buy at low?  notworthy.gif

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx
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U tend to gain on maturity but it takes 8 to 15 years to mature for long term bonds .

Long term bond is out of favour in current trend unless with very attractive yields , short term ones like 3 years maybe hmm.gif

It is more risky to speculate on bond yields, experts say.....

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