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post Jul 22 2013, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(hrevijay @ Jul 22 2013, 04:26 PM)
This sets a very good precedent. It will let the rakyat know that the law enforcement agencies are impartial in the actions. Very good. Now lets go all the way to the death penalty to emphasize the point.
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hmm.gif I smell someone being double standard over here.

But I agree, these 4 should receive maximum punishment and I hope the same level of liability can be imposed on the "related couple" as well...to emphasize the point and act as future deterrents. thumbup.gif
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post Jul 22 2013, 06:15 PM

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Haha, everyone is an innocent until proven guilty.

Want to hear stories from both sides. When is the date of trial?
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post Jul 22 2013, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(hrevijay @ Jul 22 2013, 06:27 PM)
Oh please, don't give me that shit. indians, chinese, malays, i honestly don't give a damn...fry them all for i care.

Lets evaluate this situation logically. you ask for maximum punishment for alvivi. really ? that's 15 years. and for what ? publishing a photo online that might have ruffled a few feathers ? If that's how you think, that there is something really wrong with your head. At the most, what they have done is annoy a few people. Community service and maybe, a fine should suffice. On the other hand, this 4 mamats have kidnapped and violently beaten a man. Now if something had gone wrong that night, assuming he tried to jump out of the moving vehicle, he could very easily have died. So what they have done is unforgivable. These monsters most certainly deserve the maximum punishment. Lets not forget the fact that they had extorted money from him before letting him go. That basically is kidnap, assault and armed robbery. Death------ deservingly so !

I rest my case your honor
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Ruffled a few feather perhaps, but what if something went wrong and instead of just ruffling those feathers, a tension broke out, Who knows right? Worst case scenarios though just assumptions should be treated equally thus both deserve maximum punishments.

Wait....why the f*** are you bringing this racial shit?

And no plea had been made, and dafuk you're resting your case? Since when a pre-trial statement becomes a fact? Both Alvivi and these boys still have the chance to prove otherwise.
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post Jul 22 2013, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(hrevijay @ Jul 22 2013, 06:46 PM)
Hey asswipe, aren't you the one who b****ed about double standards ?
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Hey *******, I'm b****ing about the level of liability and out of a sudden you spewed that chinese, malay bla bla idgaf. You sure are one big *******. The IGP stated in his press statement that the kidnapping was related to those two, and the victim stated otherwise. Did the victim lie? Who knows?
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post Jul 22 2013, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(hrevijay @ Jul 22 2013, 07:04 PM)
No idea wtf you're getting at. Anyways, you brought up double standards here. Obviously implying that it was a malay vs chinese thing. So don't me give the bullshit about level of liability. I don't give a fuq about who said what, the fact that they extorted money from the victim very clearly states the motive of the case. and it certainly had nothing to do with the alvivi case, merely a ploy to make their criminal act to be something that it is not.

I mean look at the jihadist in the middle east who blow themselves up in the name of religion. Now these people are the ones who are really driven by their beliefs. Now do you see them extorting money from their victims.

and chill, no need to get so pissed off.
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Wow, you can really read people mind? And another irrelevant argument. How about this, I'll let you feel as if you've won this "case". cool2.gif
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post Jul 23 2013, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Jul 23 2013, 04:34 PM)
http://hornbillunleashed.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/48462/
Young Singaporean Muslim

When I first saw the “Halal Bak Kut Teh” picture on The Real Singapore Facebook page, I was irritated but I didn’t think much of it. I believed the guy was an idiot and that’s it. But I was surprised that the backlash has gotten so big over just a few hours.

I was disappointed to see so much hate comments being posted by fellow Muslims over this one photo and some even go far as to post threats of violence and death threats. And now, the couple is facing up to 15 years in jail and heavy fines over this one photo, which really saddens me as thieves and people with assault charges usually get much less.

Why am I not offended? I actually have a different perspective on the issue. I subscribed to a few foreign news channels like Al Jazeera and The Young Turks and I have seen the faces of REAL HATE.

I have seen people like Pastor Terry Jones, who called for the burning of the Quran. I have seen a group of Islamophobic Americans gather to throw hateful slurs at a mosque event in California. I have seen the absolute disrespect of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula and his blasphemous film which he called “The innocence of muslims”. I have seen the bigotry and also the sympathy of the people of Texas in ABC news experiment “What would you do?” when Muslims are discriminated. I have seen a Hispanic woman pushing a Muslim man onto an oncoming train, killing him, just because he was Muslim. And the worst of late, I have seen the genocide of the Muslim Rohingya people by the so called “Buddhist” Burmese.

The face of hate comes in many sickening form. But when I see Alvin’s face, I don’t see a hateful person; I just see the face of a troll.

Understanding hate and dark humor.

Maybe it is because of my age and my exposure to the internet, I understand dark humor and some can be really funny. I am a fan of South Park with their highly intelligent yet crude but funny jokes and satires. But in the end, dark humor is essentially a joke that can either be funny or fall flat and just be stupid.

I would say that Alvin’s Halal Bak Kut Teh photo is just a piece of really bad dark humor that is not funny. There is no real malice in this photo. He did not insult our prophet, he did not call for the Quran to be defaced and he did not go out to injure a fellow Muslim. At most I could say that he is insensitive for suggesting that a dish most commonly made with pork is halal.

We are getting into an uproar over FOOD? Let’s change the situation a bit and say Alvin did the same photo BUT with frog legs (which is also haram). How much of an uproar will that make?

Being respected. As Muslims, we always ask that our religion be respected. But it would be hard to respect someone if he acts like an overly sensitive baby who would throw a tantrum over such a small issue. We need to be mature. If you find the photo insensitive, feel free to make a video or make an article to address how insensitive the post is or simply bring this matter to facebook admin let them handle it. To issue threats of violence, instigate suicide and even death threats over a food related matter is simply unacceptable.

Justice. Quoting from the Holy Quran 2:190

“Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.”

The concept is simple, if you are called to defend our faith, do so without transgression. If you are threatened with words, you are to fight back with words ONLY. If you are threatened with fists, you are to fight back with fists at most. If you are threatened with a sword, you may fight back with a sword.

What Alvin did does not warrant jail time for up to 15 years or even such a heavy fine. Prison is a place where we keep thieves, robbers, rapists and murderers, people who have committed crimes against property and person. To treat Alvin, whose crime is bad humor, like a harden criminal is indeed transgressing the limit. At most, all he deserves is a small fine and mandatory community work (maybe at a mosque so he could learn a thing or two about being with Muslims).

In all, we must keep things in perspective in issuing justice so that our emotion doesn’t cloud our reason. We should not turn an issue about food into something that could divide a nation and we must act more maturely if we want to be respected. – The Real Singapore
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post Jul 23 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Jul 23 2013, 04:52 PM)
Does other human Malays reads different Quran, if yes than i agree with the invalid !

The person who write the article are trying to promote tolerance and compromise towards other human beings, rather than hate and anger, which nowdays our young ones seems to act, due to easily give in with their polluted minds !
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Zainah Anwar read the "Yellow Book" instead, and someone I knew, Siti Kasim don't read at all..literally. laugh.gif

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