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 Hong Leong bank evergreen fund, Have you heard of this aggressive fund ?

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post Jul 24 2014, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jul 23 2014, 05:08 PM)
1) your agent lied. it's ILP. your first year premium, only 40% (or 45% i don't remember, HLA increased it) goes to the investment... from that investment, insurance company will deduct the charges (insurance, admin, fund management)

2) And the 80% 20%... also wrong info... 80% of that 40% will be invested into EverGreen fund (the unique feature applies to the FUND NOT the insurance product). 20% of that 40% will be invested into low risk fund for deduction of the charges stated in 1).

The unique feature, no doubt is great cause there's minimum unit price that they guarantee for you at maturity.

3) so i just visited the cacated website... and got some figures from it. the below are from the website, if you look properly. LOL. i just happened to know which figures means what.

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take the example of the one maturing in 2023, in 9 years time...

current price 0.9014
Current guaranteed price 1.2358 (this can be higher but not lower, if fund perform good, then higher lo)

I buy this at 0.9014... 9 years later i cash in at 1.2358

so... 0.9014*(1.0357)^9=1.2358

so compounding get about 3.57% p.a return. (approximately, just to illustrate)
this is purely on the investment side. you need to factor in the cost of the entire insurance policy.

4) So... i like the feature... say if i have a kid, i'm saving for his/her education, i want a relatively low risk investment, then i go for something like this but if FD giving similar return, well, hmm... but... you need to understand is... this is INSURANCE, INVESTMENT-LINKED POLICY.

5)  the returns will definitely be lower from what i illustrated because of other charges. Of course, if investment return is good, then maybe can earn more, but... this will depend on how CIMB because ultimately, the investments is invested with CIMB Evergreen

of course, other investment also got charges and risk...

Questions?

Edit: wrong used of ^ previously. Fixed
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Thank for the info. Because try download their brochure illustration is still using 80/20 %
http://www.hla.com.my/product_and_services...on=product&id=8

http://www.hla.com.my/CorpSiteCMS/Presenta.../1394205944.pdf

however notice the appendix 5 stated: allocated premium to purchase the unit actually is based on years i.e. 1st year 45%, 2nd years 50%, 3rd and 4th year 76%, 5th and 6th year 90%, 7 years and above 100% ....

further look at the charges:
rm5 monthly policy fee and still need to pay yearly fund management fee between 0.25-1.30% ... probably take back their guarantee bonus unit and guarantee additional allocation already ... hmmm






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post Jul 24 2014, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(apathen @ Jul 24 2014, 02:57 AM)
Thank for the info.  Because try download their brochure illustration is still using 80/20 % 
http://www.hla.com.my/product_and_services...on=product&id=8

http://www.hla.com.my/CorpSiteCMS/Presenta.../1394205944.pdf

however notice the appendix 5 stated: allocated premium to purchase the unit actually is based on years i.e. 1st year 45%, 2nd years 50%, 3rd and 4th year 76%, 5th and 6th year 90%, 7 years and above 100% ....

further look at the charges:
rm5 monthly policy fee and still need to pay yearly fund management fee between 0.25-1.30% ... probably take back their guarantee bonus unit and guarantee additional allocation already ...  hmmm
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Ya. You notice appendix 5, the point I was trying to highlight. 80/20 is how your investment is allocated. My point was NOT all the money you pay goes to these investment, as you have already notice the illustration under appendix 5. I was afraid you didn’t know about the conditions in appendix 5.

For ALL investment-linked insurance, all insurance/takaful companies will charge monthly policy fee of RM5. I’ve seen RM6, if I remembered correctly, it was Etiqa. I don’t remember hearing any insurance companies not charging it.
Fund management fee is normal like any investment fund. The fund with the ‘unique’ feature, charges 1.30% p.a.

HLA Cash Fund charges 0.25% p.a. It’s those low risk, low return fund that invest in money market or similar type la.

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post Jul 27 2014, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jul 24 2014, 09:58 AM)
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Fund management fee is normal like any investment fund. The fund with the ‘unique’ feature, charges 1.30% p.a.

HLA Cash Fund charges 0.25% p.a. It’s those low risk, low return fund that invest in money market or similar type la.
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the thing is this plan is sort of like feeder fund to CIMB fund, the charges actually mean original CIMB management fee or additionally charges on top by HLA? also if i didn't hear wrongly there is exit fee incur too if redeem.



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post Jul 30 2014, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(apathen @ Jul 27 2014, 05:45 PM)
the thing is this plan is sort of like feeder fund to CIMB fund, the charges actually mean original CIMB management fee or additionally charges on top by HLA? also if i didn't hear wrongly there is exit fee incur too if redeem.
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this, you have to ask HLA whether you are paying double the charges or not, implicitly to CIMB and explicitly to HLA? i'm afraid agents are not likely to know the answer of it.

Well, this is an insurance plan. There isn't an exit fee. Well, not in the way you would think.

as you probably can understand by now... not all the premium paid is allocated towards your investment fund. it's only 100% from year 7 and after... what you pay over the 1st 6 years, those not allocated towards your fund (which is quite high), those are like your 'exit fee'... YOU will almost certainly lose some of the money your have paid earlier on to HLA. Highly unlikely to break even during the first few years, after all, we are talking about investment funds.

That is why there's always a warning on... "Life Insurance is long term commitment... you will lose more than you have paid if you cancel ..."






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post Jul 30 2014, 11:19 AM

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one of the agent told me about their guarantee pay out 20% on the amount you invest p.a.? anyone know what this?
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post Jul 30 2014, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(yapthepro @ Jul 30 2014, 11:19 AM)
one of the agent told me about their guarantee pay out 20% on the amount you invest p.a.? anyone know what this?
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I need to know which insurance plan they are talking about.

anyway... no such figures of return is remotely possible. LOL
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QUOTE(yapthepro @ Jul 30 2014, 11:19 AM)
one of the agent told me about their guarantee pay out 20% on the amount you invest p.a.? anyone know what this?
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I think that is previous HLA product so called 'CASH PROMISE'. This plan already withdraw last few weeks and launch another new plan so called 'WEALTH PLAN' now. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yapthepro @ Jul 30 2014, 11:19 AM)
one of the agent told me about their guarantee pay out 20% on the amount you invest p.a.? anyone know what this?
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I think that is previous HLA product so called 'CASH PROMISE'. This plan already withdraw last few weeks and launch another new plan so called 'WEALTH PLAN' now. tongue.gif
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hi guys, i've been approachd by agent regard this fund..can some one advise/comment about this fund? is it really good to invest in? what pro & cons? really need some info before decide..TQ
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QUOTE(Johore @ Oct 29 2014, 08:39 AM)
hi guys, i've been approachd by agent regard this fund..can some one advise/comment about this fund? is it really good to invest in? what pro & cons? really need some info before decide..TQ
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HL group? I can only use cheat and mislead to describe.
Even yesterday a ******* from HL group start bullshiting that mid income group no need to have fuel subsidy also won't affect much doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2014, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(Johore @ Oct 29 2014, 08:39 AM)
hi guys, i've been approachd by agent regard this fund..can some one advise/comment about this fund? is it really good to invest in? what pro & cons? really need some info before decide..TQ
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example

Please read my previous post and do some homework.

Quick note
1) this is an investment-linked insurance plan. Not pure investment. if you want pure investment this is not it.
2) if you already have existing insurance plan, suggest you to not get this as well.
3) PROS: if you hold to maturity, they have something called minimum guarantee unit price
4) CONS: it's insurance plan, you might not need it. they deduct charges cause insurance company do need to charge you by providing insurance coverage.

My take? No. not worth it. i rather take my money put in FD.


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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 29 2014, 09:10 AM)
example

Please read my previous post and do some homework.

Quick note
1) this is an investment-linked insurance plan. Not pure investment. if you want pure investment this is not it.
2) if you already have existing insurance plan, suggest you to not get this as well.
3) PROS: if you hold to maturity, they have something called minimum guarantee unit price
4) CONS: it's insurance plan, you might not need it. they deduct charges cause insurance company do need to charge you by providing insurance coverage.

My take? No. not worth it. i rather take my money put in FD.
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hi adele123,

tq for such a info..it help me a lot to make a wise decision.. notworthy.gif
i've heard is a combination of hla n cimb for these fund.
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post Oct 29 2014, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Johore @ Oct 29 2014, 12:43 PM)
hi adele123,

tq for such a info..it help me a lot to make a wise decision.. notworthy.gif
i've heard is a combination of hla n cimb for these fund.
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the evergreen thing, it's managed by CIMB. HLA just feed into them.
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post Nov 5 2014, 02:44 PM

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This HLA evergreen is just a saving plan managed by CIMB by buying into mutual fund-like scheme.

The returns are very similar to most of the other company saving plan.

The main point is that a saving plan is there to provide you a fixed savings that you put into if you're not the kind of person that saves a lot as a pool of fund for additional fund for retirement or education.
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I would like to know more about this , as far as I know the premium only paid for 6years only. Am I right?
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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Sep 12 2015, 10:22 PM)
I would like to know more about this , as far as I know the premium only paid for 6years only. Am I right?
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It depends on which plan u choose
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post Sep 14 2015, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Sep 12 2015, 10:22 PM)
I would like to know more about this , as far as I know the premium only paid for 6years only. Am I right?
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hope you won't be confused.

Like any investment-linked insurance plan, there is flexibility to pay or not to pay premium for the whole of life of the insurance coverage term. the insurance plan will sustain provided there's sufficient money inside to deduct insurance charges.

in reality, the premium for this HLA plan is meant to be payable every year, and not meant for 6 years only. the option is there to convert to a 6-year premium payment.
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post Sep 14 2015, 10:51 AM

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i just signed this plan for 3 months ago and i wish to cancel the plan now although i knw that i will lose the money that i paid before this. bt i found that the agent is lying to me and nt describe clearly to me and the agent is so untrusting. The agent keep ask me to pay money even before the due date for more thn 3 weeks with the bad attitude like im owing the money.they should remind you its about time for the payment but not asking you to pay money like u r owing thm. its so annoying. Any way can i cancel it?
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QUOTE(adamcyr @ Sep 14 2015, 10:51 AM)
i just signed this plan for 3 months ago and i wish to cancel the plan now although i knw that i will lose the money that i paid before this. bt i found that the agent is lying to me and nt describe clearly to me and the agent is so untrusting. The agent keep ask me to pay money even before the due date for more thn 3 weeks with the bad attitude like im owing the money.they should remind you its about time for the payment but not asking you to pay money like u r owing thm. its so annoying. Any way can i cancel it?
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U can directly go to HLA branch or get in touch with me ...to be mentioned , the surrender value been paid back to u will lower than the amount u paid last 3 months , if u okay with that , I will help u terminate ...
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post Sep 22 2015, 04:58 PM

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I spoke to HLA salesperson last week about this fund. The summary of the conversation are yes, it is an insurance linked investment funds. During the course of my investment, if I mati, yes there're will be an investment payout to my family.

Another point is, say i start investment for 30k first year, i have to continue invest another 30k for 2nd year and 30k for 3rd year. If i take out before the 3rd year, sure will not return 100 percent. There's only a profit return after the 3rd year. Can I say only guaranteed profit after 3 years?

Am I correct?

This post has been edited by frostfrench: Sep 22 2015, 05:13 PM

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