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post Jul 20 2013, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(lavendershuin @ Jul 20 2013, 12:47 AM)
I am driving VIOS Manual Type J. Each time when I stopped my car at traffic light or caught in jam, my car engine will gradually die. I have to press the accelerator pedal prevent the engine stop. Anyone know what's the reason? how much of the repair?
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O2 sensor dead. Common problem for Vios.

My friend stalled when traffic jam, luckily replaced under warranty. 2 O2 sensors around RM1,200 if replaced at Toyota.
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post Jul 20 2013, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(lavendershuin @ Jul 20 2013, 09:36 AM)
ahhh wahhhh minor adjustment need RM1200  cry.gif
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Keyword here: "Replaced at Toyota"

If you car is out of warranty, you can get it diagnosed at Toyota SC, but replace at outside workshops which should be much cheaper.

Oh also it could be another sensor which is at fault, the MAF sensor, which is also RM600++ at Toyota SC.
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post Jul 20 2013, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(danabu @ Jul 20 2013, 10:11 AM)
must be kidding toyota got no common problem. all the common toyota problem is because of the owner.
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That is to say, the only common problem the Vios has are owner problems rclxms.gif

No owner = no problem

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post Jul 20 2013, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Tidor @ Jul 20 2013, 11:39 AM)
what is ur RPM meter (located beside speed meter) indicate when your engine idle? if less than 1 then maybe need to go shop to adjust the engine timing.. adjust timing usually free.. low engine timing will also cause it to die at traffic light if u did not press acc pedal..
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Vios dugong has drive-by-wire throttlebody. You can't adjust the idling like a cable-driven throttlebody.
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post Jul 20 2013, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 20 2013, 01:25 PM)
Manual start stop function lah. Engine stops itself, but owner has to start again.
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laugh.gif At least it is half-decent then

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post Jul 20 2013, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(viosTRD @ Jul 20 2013, 03:29 PM)
Yes. Must be this. Go to adjust it. If still cant solve check your spark plug.
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Yes mr. Genius. Do drive your dugong to any outside workshop and ask the mechanic to adjust the idling RPM for you, then come back here and tell us he whack your head with a spanner or a hammer.

Dugong uses drive-by-wire throttle control, the only way you can adjust the idling RPM is to tweak the ECU. The only Vios that can adjust idling RPM old-school style with a screwdriver is the old gen Vios, which uses cable-driven throttle.

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post Jul 20 2013, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(viosTRD @ Jul 20 2013, 04:29 PM)
Adjust is for ts easier understanding dude. Who dont know new vios use ecu. Adjust/tweak also see how u look at it only dude.
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Old and New Vios also use ECU.

Old Vios has cable-driven throttle, therefore you can send to outside workshop to adjust idling RPM.

New Vios (dugong) use drive-by-wire throttle, therefore outside workshop cannot adjust the idling.

Understand the difference?
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post Jul 20 2013, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Jul 20 2013, 04:56 PM)
Sorry... from what I know there is nothing to adjust. Problem is elsewhere.

What do you adjust for cable driven throttle?
- The throttle opening ?? it should be the IACV that control amount of air going in right?
- The TPS sensor position ?? unless something was changed at the TB, the TPS sensor should not be touched.
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In the TS's case the problem memang is elsewhere, I suspect the O2 sensors as his case is similiar to my friend's.

For cable throttles, there is a screw on the throttle body that directly adjusts the throttle valve opening when idling.
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post Jul 20 2013, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Jul 20 2013, 05:42 PM)
O2 sensor faulty normally got check engine light.... plus bad fuel economy. Have to scan for fault code and monitor closed loop feedback with OBD2 scan tool to check.

Never worked on a Vios engine..  but normally throttle valve is fully closed during idling for cable driven TB. Air metering in to keep engine running in idle is control by a separate IACV.

Very weird that Vios doesn't use similar setup with IACV but got screw to adjust throttle valve directly for cable driven.
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My guess is O2 sensor faulty will only throw up CEL if it is not responding. If it is feeding bad data to the ECU, the ECU won't know anything is wrong. My friend didn't encounter CEL also until he completely stalled.

the idling screw serves as some sort of easy override on top of the IACV control. This is not limited to just the old Vios, most cable driven TBs have this.

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EDIT: my mistake, it doesn't adjust the throttle valve directly, but rather the opening of an alternate air flow route.

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post Jul 20 2013, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(unitron @ Jul 20 2013, 05:55 PM)
Ah... ic ic... there is another separate path for the air...  adjusting screw does not mess with the throttle valve position.
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Yep, edited my above post to mention that, my mistake blush.gif

 

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