is there any difference ?
when you play low sensitivity then change to another mouse and play low sensitivity, your hand will still be sore ..
any more further information about Rival?

using low sensitivity is good, also prevents carpal turnel and make yr hand muscular.

how low are we talking about here.
feeling as if my hand getting weaker year by year (might be placebo)

Well that's a first. Never heard of low sensitivity preventing carpal tunneling. But I guess if you play alot of hand/wrist based sports it should be oKay? I play alot of basketball/rugby.

rival feel a bit smaller then DA,
in term of comfort, DA still win i think, but performance, rival win

and I'm one of those that only sits in front of PC whole day literally
might need to work out more

Yeah got worried when you said your hand kept getting weaker by the year. Even if it's not the case, a little extra exercise or sport doesn't hurt.

450dpi ???

me 700-800 dpi, but now using 1800 dpi

oh yeah ken, i almost forgot you're a tech reviewer ==

the feeling might be because last time I worked at a hardware shop, lifting stuff up and down
but now full-time student, no more vigorous activity so might feel a bit weak

Hahaha bad luck with DA13.
One more question, how about the anti sweat coating on rival surface and the side rubber grip, I guess it's pretty much the same as DA13 right?

If you really hate glossy surface, get this thing called "Plastidip" at ACE hardware. Google/youtube it (they even use this to spray cars)

It gives you a PEEL ABLE rubberized surface.

for rival, if u want to reach that two extra buttons using ur thumbs (i dont know what its name), u can relax your thumb on the rubber grip which is nice to me, then if u wanna use the side button just move your thumbs up, not like DA, your thumb located nearly to the side buttons,

for easy explanation (sorry for my english) the side buttons on Rival located on top side, while DA located in the middle side. thats is what i can say about the rubber grip, which makes Rival feel a bit comfortable for that, oh ya, Rival side rubber grip seems like a rough texture, while DA, smooth.

anti sweat coating on rival is great and im comfortable with that, but still DA wins in term of comfortable due to its shape

yup, the kraken pro leather ear cushions were killing my ears after like 10 minutes of wearing it.

finally got the cloth replacements from razerzone with the help of my friend, it was about RM66+ with fedex shipping, which was the "normal" option on the site, it just doesn't say its fedex 0_o (still don't understand why maybank's mastercard doesn't work)

anyway, my ears don't feel agitated that much anymore after switching to cloth, but its still darn tight.

I read a couple of cases people put cushioning under the ear cups, 1 dude put in thin foam, the other dude with paper towel LOL.
It works for them, seems that the inside of the ear cup is touching the ears thus the discomfort.. but i didn't feel that way, well its worth a try. I notice this round hollowed rings of foam that came with the cloth replacement cushions, wonder if I should put that in.

I can use my Orca's cushion on my Kraken 7.1 LOL

yup that's what people are doing.

tested my friend's kraken forged

definitely not worth the price and a disappointment.

they marketed the headphone to work great on both gaming and music, but this one fails big time on the latter.

it is all marketing gimmick

btw I think whoever looking forward to buy the latest mice from Razer, DA 2013. I strongly advise you to spend the money on a better product offered by others. I've just tested friend's DA 2013 and I could say beside 6400 dpi, 4G sensor, they didn't change anything literally. The lift off distance is hard for me because it's heavy like its predecessor, I wonder why DA 2013 still didn't make any improvement on it.

for the same price or cheaper, I'd recommend Mionix Naos 7000, Logitech G400

unless they upgrade the switches/clicks for the mouse buttons to a more durable ones, i too do suggest everyone to stay away from razer mice. they have the very infamous double clicking issue that they yet to fix because they use the same inferior click switches.

their products are batch dependent. some of the batches are working okay. but most of the time not.

i did try to spread this so called 'razer awareness' in the previous version of the thread few years back, but if my memory serves me well, a lot of the forumers back then asked me to gtfo because they claimed they have the right to buy anything they want with their moniesss. lol

for now, the less being said about it the better.

This post has been edited by G_KeN: Feb 26 2014, 05:42 AM