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 V12 - Property prices discussion, For non "UUU" and "DDD" campers only...

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post Aug 15 2013, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Aug 15 2013, 09:25 AM)
thanks for your adv. notworthy.gif

maybe i should go away and read silently &  not making any opinion.
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Sometimes its good to take a break and just read ... but please do share if you have some good findings... can be up news or down news also can... as long as it doesn't sound like a sales pitch... I realise a handful in here when they share news its like doing sales (a fine example is the one with a lot of photos) ... lol!!!! my god... reminds me of Bee Gee's song.... Desperado... ... ... nice song

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post Aug 15 2013, 10:29 AM

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Asia investors grapple with shortage of shorter bonds as Fed jitters grow
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/08/15/m...E97E00420130815

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post Aug 15 2013, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(cockee @ Aug 15 2013, 10:38 AM)
I would use another word instead of 'fragile'.
It's 'insecure'.
There are so many 'insecure' forummers lately.

Just yesterday someone posted a question about Scott Garden. I made a statement about at night noises from the pubs can be heard even from Casa Desa abt 500m-1km away.

Wah lau eh.. straight away two fellas (I suspect with vested interest) attack that statement, calling it an exaggeration. These fellas probably had no education, since it is common knowledge sounds travel further and louder at night.  doh.gif
Luckily, two other forummers who lived in Casa Desa supported my statement.

Of coz, then those fellas turned and twisted to talk about how satisfied their local and oversea tenants are, etc, etc. You can check out the thread yourself.

My point is you can see the defensiveness of these fellas when someone said something negative or perceived negative about properties.
If the market is so good and strong, if the properties is doing so well and prosperous, why they even feel the need to defend it? Why so insecure about their own investment, right?

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Spot on... if a person's strategy/ investment is sound and well planned they have nothing to fear and therefore no need to be emotional/ defensive/ hostile... but its also good that they show this as it may tell the more experienced/ observant a lot about their character, their motive and their situation amongst other things... no?

The easier one is agitated the more their lack of wisdom... IMHuO...

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post Aug 15 2013, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Aug 15 2013, 10:56 AM)
learn something new everyday.
and i wonder why's that?  hmm.gif
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Could also be because at night, other activities are lesser... thus emphasizing the volume of sounds that would not otherwise be noticeable... for example the dripping faucet can only be heard clearly when the house is quiet (most likely at night).

Which brings out a very good point... yes the place is buzzing with activity thus people may feel yes, this is a good investment... however... the flip side is the noise from the pubs... and that's when its new... what about cleanliness (rubbish from restaurants) if not well maintained this would result in rodent infestations... and ultimately the decline in value and attractiveness of that area in terms of residential purpose... Other factors to consider also are the heightened crime and vandalism... as you know the drunken tend to be more rowdy... no?

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post Aug 15 2013, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Aug 15 2013, 11:44 AM)
some are kuli worker collect rent for bosses.

some are property egent

some are developer staff

some are lawyer office staff

some are banker earn big bonus when bank profit high

some don't have property siok sendiri saying got so many here and there.

a lot are using dupe accounts to said UUU ma. laugh.gif
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Wakakaka!!!! You forgot O&G... teacher... char kuay teow seller... etc etc... brows.gif
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post Aug 15 2013, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Aug 15 2013, 11:49 AM)
that i put under "some don't have property siok sendiri saying got so many here and there."
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Ahhhhhh.... I see... or should I say... I get it... brows.gif

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post Aug 15 2013, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(cockee @ Aug 15 2013, 12:30 PM)
Dude, go Google Map lar.. it's stated the distance between Tesco Scott Garden to Casa Desa is 750m. That's close enough for 1km.

Exaggeration is when it's 100m or 200m but stated as 1km.
Approximation is when it's 0.7 or 0.8km but stated as 1km.

When people said that house is worth a million ringgit, they could mean RM980k, or RM1.05mil. Not need to be exactly RM1,000,000, right?
You expect every forummers to be super precise in everything?  rclxub.gif

Very interesting character. LOL.
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I was previously staying in a condo less than 200m from MRT station... my god... I can hear train coming and going day and night ... not to mention the smell of steel dust in the air... jeezzzz however having said that... I think the distance to walk to the station was fine... I did consider moving to a condo slightly further around 500m - 600m, slightly cheaper too but my god!!!!!! the walk was ridiculous... by the time I got to the train I'd be soaked!!!!So I decided wth just stay put... So if you're thinking of buying anything near MRT please do consider how far your tenants would have to walk... anything more than 250m is crazy and it would be best if the MRT station was underground ... then no noise pollution!!!!

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post Aug 15 2013, 01:17 PM

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Round 1 ??????

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post Aug 15 2013, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Aug 15 2013, 01:25 PM)
have you experience the sound from ktm tracks from subang empire soho units before?  thumbup.gif
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Nope... whats that like? brows.gif

Anyway... if google says it's 750m driving distance... straight line distance should be shorter no? and if shorter then possibility of noise levels is higher no?

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post Aug 15 2013, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Aug 15 2013, 01:31 PM)
Wow...... Is this a IQ test question?  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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Like that also you can ask whether it's an IQ test question? So obvious also have to ask? shocking.gif shocking.gif

ROFLMAO!!!! WoW!!!

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post Aug 15 2013, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(cockee @ Aug 15 2013, 01:32 PM)
Well it is obvious u miss the gist of the statement.  At casa desa u can hear the noises from scott garden. So that is no exaggeration.
Yea I might not be 100% accurate about the distance. Any reasonable intelligent people wud know it is an estimation because how do u give a 100% accurate distance? From which specific unit at what block to which pub? This is what I meant not reading in context.
Thirdly, do they even teach rounding up in school anymore? Lol.
Ok I wasted enuf time on this guy.
Thank u for your opinion.
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Yups... wasted... luckily didn't ask facing which direction, what floor, which room, windows open or closed, if open how may inches got curtains or not... LMFAO!!!! was TV turn on... maybe it was the TV... or maybe neighbour partying he thought was the pub... brows.gif

I think I also better stop replying his comments too...

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post Aug 15 2013, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Aug 15 2013, 01:46 PM)
Why don't you buy a car?
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Wow... what information you want to korek now sei ling chat... you forgot you kena kantoi from me during our last PM ah? brows.gif brows.gif
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post Aug 15 2013, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Aug 15 2013, 01:47 PM)
Then so obvious answer question u also ask??  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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To test who dum8 enough to reply lo... wakakaka... and now we know lo...

WoW!!!! boom!!!! gone!!!

Ok ok just kidding, relax... dowan to waste time replying you ler...

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post Aug 15 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Aug 15 2013, 02:09 PM)
Just ask only
A used kancil are affordable so that u don't need to rent near to train station, moving from 200m to 500m and now tiring walking every morning and evening
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That's what I expected from you, predictable... unfortunately before knowing the whole story you already try to be smart... sigh... Let me (again) enlighten you... kancil car doesn't pass the vehicle safety standards test in Singapore... wakakaka!!!... please read more before trying to act smart ok sei ling chat? or else really have to share your kantoi bs story with everyone...

and please relax after reading this okay... chill... don't get emotional.

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Just to add on... its totally doesn't make any sense to stay 500m from MRT and drive to the MRT... that's just a no brainer... so I don't know what you're thinking... the only thing is if people are going to drive... they'd op not to stay at a distance where walking to MRT is too troublesome and driving to MRT doesn't make sense.

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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Aug 15 2013, 02:03 PM)
good one but i don't think many will appreciate it. Here is my reason.

I have clients (more than half) mistakenly think the mortgage rate is going to be low (<6%) and can't comprehend the possibility of 200 or more basis point increase. The common reason they cite is our OPR is 3% and BNM will do whatever they could to lower further the rate since it has been like that for the past few yrs.

It is quite dangerous to think that way and that's why whoever have a tendency to use i.e fed fund rate to 'forecast' the mortgage trends should REFRAIN from doing.

A more scientific and practical method is still watch closely the credit market supply/demand (involve a lot of data). Nothing less than looking into the current a/c (which affect how payment is made between partners. It will lead to how our currency and monetary policy), broad money supply trend, reserve requirement SRR (that when OPR comes in), fiscal policy (it affect health of our economy that lead to the money cost a.k.a interests rate), reserve surplus (bullets available for rainy day), debts market especially sovereign and etc. 

Unfortunately to connect the dots and draw a conclusion is far too outstretch to most people.

So better don't do it if you don't know these stuffs. Just continue to be prudence financially (don't over burdened with debts. New wave against debts is coming near), save money and be prepare for 200 - 300 basis point (or maybe more) interests rate hike at least for mid term, i.e post 2015.

But if still want be smart but not paying the price to do tons of reading and researches. Don't look into short term interbank rate (fed fund rate or OPR in our case). Instead, your priority should be on long term government bonds market. Does't mean to ignore the OPR, but try to bring in the bonds into the picture. why? beyond explanation here. but if you do grasp the mechanism, it's very worthwhile.

** this comment is not target to Amaybumibuyer, but to general readers. Just a piece of opinion. Don't listen to all self awarded 'pro'. Do your own research and seek advise from really competence people. It is your own money bro! **
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Ditto on the last sentence.

I agree on your points and I take a different approach to understanding the rates... purpose of fed rates are to manage the overall liquidity in the economy and to ensure that all available monies are not idle whereas mortgage rates (fixed and adjustable) as you rightly put is more dependent in that area of finance (i.e. mortgages) therefore its down to margins/ profits/ products/ strategies/ etc... two very different things... now fed reserve discount rate is actually an outright borrowing from fed funds rather than funds in the economy... now if the additional funds require is not available from the market (i.e. other banks), then the bank will have to borrow from the fed ... the cost of this borrowing has to be borne by someone and therefore will be absorbed into the mortgage rates or whatever commercial product rate in which the borrowed money (from fed) is used for... so the different rates will impact different areas of the market because that's the original purpose it was set up for in the first place.

Ditto again on the last sentence.


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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Aug 15 2013, 02:33 PM)
Healthy discussion only bro, cheers
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I don't find your comments/ discussion healthy la bro... I dunno why... no offense... cheers
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 15 2013, 03:52 PM)
ya, i won't try to connect the dots like school maths. biggrin.gif

only that when i read that article, it just reinforced my view that if debt levels are still rising and mgs/my bonds are now "tak laku" forcing yields to rise continuosuly, what rates will they have to price new issues, how long can opr stay the same, how long can our mortgage and car loan rates stay the same?

perhaps india and indonesia experiencing more severe but similar probelms will lead the way in telling what is to come soon?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-14/i...e-outflows.html
http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/08/15/m...N0GG0DO20130815

today, rm approaching 3.28 for usd and 2.59 fo sgd.
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Thanks for the sharing... I'd just like to add that further to what India is facing right now as detailed in the article is also the multiple corruption scandals that have been uncovered recently (maybe more coming up) that is destroying investor confidence in their economy in which monetary policies may not be able to address but only deeper structural reforms... Will boleh-land will follow suit in the same direction of India? biggrin.gif

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post Aug 16 2013, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(taufu @ Aug 16 2013, 12:36 AM)
Am a newbie in prop but isn't first few years installment very large portion paid to mortgage loan interest?
When selling minus various fees like agent comm, lawyer fees etc, the profit not that much isn't it?
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You're right!!! rclxms.gif For a newbie you're even more observant than some who have recently purchased... maybe this site can give more clarity on how monthly installment payments are utilised towards setting off the principal balance.

http://mortgage-x.com/calculators/amortization.htm

You will notice, by entering dummy data in to the calculator that after making 5 years of installments payments which is equivalent to 34%+ of the total loan value, you will still owe the bank 95% of the total original loan value ... (for a 30 year loan) ... This is a very basic mistake that most property buyers tend to overlook and it only hits them in the face when they dive into the details... I'm sure with this you can see what kind of price increment in terms of % you need to sell you property off after 5 years to make some profit... Now you have to ask yourself, at currently property price levels do you think that property prices will increase by more than that break-even percentage? Not to mention the charges and taxes involved biggrin.gif

Now there is a way to make the above situation more advantageous to yourself... however I'll leave that to the property taikos here to add on...

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post Aug 16 2013, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(wwwcomment @ Aug 16 2013, 09:08 AM)
hi rooney sorry i no good in financial calculation,
if the interest rate is 4.2%, how many percentage of principal have been settled, which means how many percentage of loan amount settled? assuming i pay installment monthly and never pay extra to offset principal. tenure 35 years.
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How may years have you paid installments for?
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post Aug 16 2013, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(wwwcomment @ Aug 16 2013, 09:16 AM)
lets say i have paid 10 years, so after 10 years, i only have paid the principal by about 12% right? still owe 88% right?
trying to figure it out from the calculator.
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A little more... you would have settle around 15-16% of your original loan value after 10 years of installment payments on a 35 year loan... the point to bear in mind is after 10 years of installment payments you would have already paid out more than 50% of the original loan value... I guess this is the price of leverage.

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