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 V12 - Property prices discussion, For non "UUU" and "DDD" campers only...

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post Aug 13 2013, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 12 2013, 11:45 PM)
Buy 5 units now, subsale 4 unit later, can collect rental on 5th unit for free. If repeat on 3 or 4 different development, can retire liao. apa awak mau lagi?

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if it's 300k per unit then senang la.. if you are talking about 500k onwards.. you will need to feed at least rental of rm2.2k or so.. average rental even for expat is approx rm1.5k - rm1.8k.. anything higher they can just find those @ rm1.8k
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post Aug 13 2013, 03:46 AM

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Kind of frustrated when looking at property prices now, always the good ones are just right out of reach by about 120k....

I can comfortably buy a house about 540K - 560K.... but the bare minimum for houses that I like have always been in the 640K to 690K at least on propertyguru...

Is it realistic to expect future new launches will give prices within my range?

As a rough benchmark the house that have the bare qualities I love are the Ayu Impians http://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-li...r-sale-2997269#




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post Aug 13 2013, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 12 2013, 10:28 PM)
There are many of new development which does that! which questions me.. are we paving the overprice property because of dibs?? and on top of the market? Aurora condo in puchong - rm20k rebate.. sign SNP 10k.. get key another rm10k pay out. Mirage by the lake? i hope i spelled correctly.. in cyberjaya.. giving out approx rm96k cash...

if there is a any major downfall in the property sector most likely these places would go first.. Again it's really up to each individual to choose which part you would like to buy.. RM400k is abit not too affordable and those above rm500k i think they are really pushing the limits..
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Just curious, to your point about RM400K being not too affordable and RM500K pushing the limits... what kind of unit sizes are these in relation to? As I remember a post mentioning that 700sq ft condo (so called) already going for RM500K+... just curious whether this would be categorised as "being not too affordable" or "pushing the limits"... Just to see some consumer feedback.

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post Aug 13 2013, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Aug 13 2013, 08:53 AM)
Just curious, to your point about RM400K being not too affordable and RM500K pushing the limits... what kind of unit sizes are these in relation to? As I remember a post mentioning that 700sq ft condo (so called) already going for RM500K+... just curious whether this would be categorised as "being not too affordable" or "pushing the limits"... Just to see some consumer feedback.

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Rooney, the calculation is base on net income of combined husband and wife. They can choose whether to live in a small place with designer concept built up or big run down flat.. If one play by the rule of average income of Malaysian I don't think we would go wrong anytime soon. It's only when ppl start to goreng those beyond the average standard Malaysian could afford then the risk would increase exponential.
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post Aug 13 2013, 09:38 AM

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BLR is going to increase next year...
Will you all think property price will fall?

I have intention to purchase a unit for my marriage...
very tight budget...

if speculating will fall, i shall wait till next year smile.gif

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post Aug 13 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 13 2013, 09:13 AM)
Rooney, the calculation is base on net income of combined husband and wife. They can choose whether to live in a small place with designer concept built up or big run down flat.. If one play by the rule of average income of Malaysian I don't think we would go wrong anytime soon. It's only when ppl start to goreng those beyond the average standard Malaysian could afford then the risk would increase exponential.
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So you're saying that 400K is a bit not affordable and 500K is pushing it, and this is a generalised amount for the combined net income of husband and wife??? And that the affordability factor (i.e. 400K being a bit not affordable and 500K pushing it) has got nothing to do with the size of the unit???

So does this mean that in your opinion, you feel that whatever the property, big, small, designer, concept, landed, condo, etc... that anything that is priced 400K is being a bit not affordable and 500K is pushing it??? and also implying that the average standard Malaysian ceiling of affordability is 500K, regardless of the property type, etc ,etc...

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Aug 13 2013, 09:48 AM)
So you're saying that 400K is a bit not affordable and 500K is pushing it, and this is a generalised amount for the combined net income of husband and wife??? And that the affordability factor (i.e. 400K being a bit not affordable and 500K pushing it) has got nothing to do with the size of the unit???

So does this mean that in your opinion, you feel that whatever the property, big, small, designer, concept, landed, condo, etc... that anything that is priced 400K is being a bit not affordable and 500K is pushing it??? and also implying that the average standard Malaysian ceiling of affordability is 500K, regardless of the property type, etc ,etc...

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Rooney yes. That's my opinion. If your salary stay stagnant the only option for you is to opt for smaller places or places which is further away from town. Personally I'll still prefer places within the vicinity of Subang Jaya. I would not waste time looking for bigger units in Kajang or Semenyih. Again it's back to individual and their affordability level. You might think it's not true but in the long run if you are playing save within this margin the tendency of things going wrong would be much less of a risk.

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post Aug 13 2013, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Aug 13 2013, 12:07 AM)
If there are tons of unit to be rent out, but only got a few tenant that want to rent... Would rental market goes down?
Meaning previously can rent out at RM 2k and suddenly force to rent out at RM 200  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Since the 5th unit is paid for by 4 subsale, whether rental is rm2k, rm1.8k, rm1.5k is free money.

QUOTE(cwhong @ Aug 13 2013, 12:19 AM)
Not so easy bro, 5 units if really can buy then the next questions is buy at the same time? Means how much interest have to bear? If i also got the capital and i can wait but have to ensure all is good properties ie. can be rented or sold higherthan the buying price after deducted all the capital and expenses. And keep one for ownself ..... Keep repeat the flows? I doubt that everyone can do that..... If yes, just few only can succeed...... U know how long the one full cycles? If concurrently ! Can earn rental but cannot retire yet......... Not in the numbers was ur family with kids....... We are talking about average ppl, not loaded family background ......... Right?
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There is something call DIBS, nothing to pay until handover and hopefully subsale. It is as close as god given money!






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post Aug 13 2013, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 13 2013, 10:02 AM)
Rooney yes. That's my opinion. If your salary stay stagnant the only option for you is to opt for smaller places or places which is further away from town. Personally I'll still prefer places within the vicinity of Subang Jaya. I would not waste time looking for bigger units in Kajang or Semenyih. Again it's back to individual and their affordability level. You might think it's not true but in the long run if you are playing save within this margin the tendency of things going wrong would be much less of a risk.

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QUOTE(Singleon @ Aug 13 2013, 09:38 AM)
BLR is going to increase next year...
Will you all think property price will fall?

I have intention to purchase a unit for my marriage...
very tight budget...

if speculating will fall, i shall wait till next year smile.gif
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Fall or not, u still need a house for husband and wife. It can fall maybe, but house can increase too. My opinion, maybe stagnant.
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QUOTE(Singleon @ Aug 13 2013, 09:38 AM)
BLR is going to increase next year...
Will you all think property price will fall?

I have intention to purchase a unit for my marriage...
very tight budget...

if speculating will fall, i shall wait till next year smile.gif
BLR going up by 0.25% will have little effect on buying sentiments. After all, its just an increase of maybe RM50 per month or less. Prices will continue to rise at least until 2015 i think. From then on, its anybody's guess. If the financial sector and Malaysia's economy is still strong then, there will not be a slump but i think that the property market is due for a correction in 2016/2017 at the rate things are going. But how bad will the correction be and which areas will be affected is again, anybody's guess. I would think that new launches that were priced much higher than existing property in that area would be hardest hit as their prices will not be sustainable especially if the investors are those with little or no holding power to weather storms.
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 13 2013, 10:02 AM)
Rooney yes. That's my opinion. If your salary stay stagnant the only option for you is to opt for smaller places or places which is further away from town. Personally I'll still prefer places within the vicinity of Subang Jaya. I would not waste time looking for bigger units in Kajang or Semenyih. Again it's back to individual and their affordability level. You might think it's not true but in the long run if you are playing save within this margin the tendency of things going wrong would be much less of a risk.

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Correct. U can always buy cheap big big houses somewehere in Sungai Besar Selangor but it is almost 100km away from KL. So preference, do you want it or not, that is the question.

Selangor is a big state. Dont think of Shah Alam and Subang Jaya only.

Kajang is quite decent, but yeah not my cup of tea.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 13 2013, 10:09 AM)
BLR going up by 0.25% will have little effect on buying sentiments. After all, its just an increase of maybe RM50 per month or less. Prices will continue to rise at least until 2015 i think. From then on, its anybody's guess. If the financial sector and Malaysia's economy is still strong then, there will not be a slump but i think that the property market is due for a correction in 2016/2017 at the rate things are going. But how bad will the correction be and which areas will be affected is again, anybody's guess. I would think that new launches that were priced much higher than existing property in that area would be hardest hit as their prices will not be sustainable especially if the investors are those with little or no holding power to weather storms.
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Just second thought of budget
Because we are first time buyer we are not sure what is the best price. As I see all prices are shitty high
We need a house in the end.
Can jimat then jimat few "k" la
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post Aug 13 2013, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Aug 13 2013, 10:08 AM)
Fall or not, u still need a house for husband and wife. It can fall maybe, but house can increase too. My opinion, maybe stagnant.
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Ya,
Because we just starting to build a family
Everything is ringgit and cents.
Since now is almost 3rd quarter. If some guru did a very precise research or speculation
It would be very beneficial
If can tahan until next year lo.
But no one knows what will happen ... Next day.
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QUOTE(slickz @ Aug 13 2013, 03:46 AM)

Is it realistic to expect future new launches will give prices within my range?


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unlikely
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post Aug 13 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Singleon @ Aug 13 2013, 10:27 AM)
Just second thought of budget
Because we are first time buyer we are not sure what is the best price. As I see all prices are shitty high
We need a house in the end.
Can jimat then jimat few "k" la
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Singleon, you see why ppl are complaining these days was because they are expecting to purchase houses in PJ for less than 300k. Decent and nice.. but the question is.. where do you find the land to build homes in PJ?? Do you think those who are staying in PJ would be willing to sell you at a discount of 50% or so? Never I would say.. So location is pretty important. However if you opt for location then be prepare to make some sacrifices.. smaller unit.. high dense area.. limited parking space and so on so forth.

If you would want best price you would need to look at outskirt.. even places in puchong you would need to look for it at the far left corner like puchong south or taman tasik if you would want it to be cheap. It's pretty hard to use the word "best price" as a factor in property purchase. Houses in Setia Alam was like CHEAP way back in 2007 - 2009 who dares to buy there? Well tons of Klang folk move on from Meru to Setia Alam as they have better township and everyone likes the G&G. again places once sold at less than rm300k were not double the value. Upcoming ones would be Semenyih, Kajang, Sentul???? maybe?? Sungai Buloh and so on so forth.. Heard of Puncak Alam? They are building there as well. Time to scout for these places I would say.

Those selling at Rm500, rm600, rm700, rm800 psft... I would avoid at all cost.. Not that you couldn't afford but they are just too risky for us.
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QUOTE(kmf123 @ Aug 12 2013, 10:48 PM)
Hello all passionate property & real estate enthusiast & investors. I have something that might be of interests to some of you  smile.gif

Since there is a discussion about how much higher (UP) can the prices go, why not take a look at historical prices and make an informed decision about the future price of your property?

Perhaps your neighbour's house is also a good indicator of your house price ?

I've started a thread on my own in the Classifieds Section of Lowyat.net. Currently I'm covering Puchong, but if there's demand, I can cover other areas too. If you would like me to be more specific, you can also PM me  smile.gif

My other lowyat.net thread:
Latest Property Prices in Puchong

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Thanks for sharing
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post Aug 13 2013, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(Singleon @ Aug 13 2013, 10:32 AM)
Ya,
Because we just starting to build a family
Everything is ringgit and cents.
Since now is almost 3rd quarter.  If some guru did a very precise research or speculation
It would be very beneficial
If can tahan until next year lo.
But no one knows what will happen ... Next day.
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Exactly! we can't predict the future so let's focus NOW and get what you need. Perhaps you could setup a fomula for yourself.. like eg for me:

30% is used for property home loan repayment. - this would give you an ample buffer incase shits happen you could stretch it to 35%, 40% and to be continued.
9% is used for hire purchase repayment. - calculate them to include your roadtax and insurance as well so you do not need to worry whether you have the money to pay or not when time comes.
3% is used for insurance.
3% is used for PTPTN repayment.
15% is used for monthly expenditure. includes makan makan, jalan jalan.

For my case my other half is paying for the utility bills and other etc so I just focused on this figure and play by it. The rest is used to save up for rainy days and also for more bullets when time comes to reinvest the money. Reason why I don't use all up to finance my property it's because you have to factor in the risk... incase shit really do happen you could stretch the 30% > 40% or even 50% and you will still live like normal with less savings perhaps.. Reaching 60% is just too dangerous.
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QUOTE(Singleon @ Aug 13 2013, 10:27 AM)
Just second thought of budget
Because we are first time buyer we are not sure what is the best price. As I see all prices are shitty high
We need a house in the end.
Can jimat then jimat few "k" la
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Nothing is cheap nowadays, that's the problem for 1st time homebuyer, at least you know the reality and trying to find one rather than emo
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QUOTE(Singleon @ Aug 13 2013, 10:27 AM)
Just second thought of budget
Because we are first time buyer we are not sure what is the best price. As I see all prices are shitty high
We need a house in the end.
Can jimat then jimat few "k" la
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Be wary of tricky and greedy agents... especially those that behave like sales people when they speak... high chances they are agents/ flippers looking for a quick buck... But having said that, if you do your homework and look around in the market you maybe able to find some good buys... not many at the moment but my opinion is there will be more to come... good luck!!!

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