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post Aug 2 2013, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Aug 2 2013, 06:06 PM)
http://my.news.yahoo.com/penang-turns-cons...-085100075.html

Please continue to push the property price up. We are now official Spain nation wink.gif

Lets see how our job going to further shrink for construction job to replace.
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Its not as bad as you think.
We are different from Spain and Greece because their cost of labour is far more expensive.
Its true that Spain, Greece, and other EU countries and the Malaysia government spend too much, but because our labour cost is lower, businesses move to low cost regions during a downturn.
Our ringgit going down against the USD is actually also a good thing because it makes our exports even cheaper.
In Australia, they were bragging how high their currency is against the USD, but then came the announcement Ford was pulling out their car manufacturing from Australia. In fact manufacturing in Australia is only relatively small sector.

The Malaysian economy can still be saved by the private sector.
Do you think the MNCs in Malaysia are sitting still while the rest of the world become more competitive?
In Penang, local management in MNCs like Intel, Altera, Sony, Agilent, etc. are working hard to transform even if the government does not.
Working hard to bring in more product lines, jobs, etc.
I admit that MIDA does work hard as well, but you should be thanking the Malaysian Managers in these MNCs to not just say, we are cheap, but we are also capable.
Not just Penang, but elsewhere in Malaysia.

However. I would be extra cautious in property investment in 2013.
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Rental are really crazy..some places listed as higher than another place with facilities..rental look like its going down..
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QUOTE(axisresidence17 @ Aug 2 2013, 10:41 PM)
Rental are really crazy..some places listed as higher than another place with facilities..rental look like its going down..
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What do you mean? some places listed higher but still rental down???



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post Aug 2 2013, 10:54 PM

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With sarcasm, do you think these people are just pure investors or homebuyers? Hahaha...

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post Aug 2 2013, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Aug 2 2013, 10:54 PM)
With sarcasm, do you think these people are just pure investors or homebuyers? Hahaha...

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Wow... Looks like buying Vege...

Gosh! How much psf??
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QUOTE(chengcheng @ Aug 2 2013, 10:56 PM)
Wow... Looks like buying Vege...

Gosh! How much psf??
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Developer sell SOS... but buyers think can be like Hostel for Segi Uni new campus.

The area is very quiet now...

720 sf - RM419,800
688 sf - RM408,800
596 sf - RM350,800
583 sf - RM350,800
450 sf - from RM262,800
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post Aug 2 2013, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(tigana @ Aug 2 2013, 07:50 PM)
Its not as bad as you think.
We are different from Spain and Greece because their cost of labour is far more expensive.
Its true that Spain, Greece, and other EU countries and the Malaysia government spend too much, but because our labour cost is lower, businesses move to low cost regions during a downturn.
Our ringgit going down against the USD is actually also a good thing because it makes our exports even cheaper.
In Australia, they were bragging how high their currency is against the USD, but then came the announcement Ford was pulling out their car manufacturing from Australia. In fact manufacturing in Australia is only relatively small sector.

The Malaysian economy can still be saved by the private sector.
Do you think the MNCs in Malaysia are sitting still while the rest of the world become more competitive?
In Penang, local management in MNCs like Intel, Altera, Sony, Agilent, etc. are working hard to transform even if the government does not.
Working hard to bring in more product lines, jobs, etc.
I admit that MIDA does work hard as well, but you should be thanking the Malaysian Managers in these MNCs to not just say, we are cheap, but we are also capable.
Not just Penang, but elsewhere in Malaysia.

However. I would be extra cautious in property investment in 2013.
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If you notice well, a lot of factory worker are moving to property region because of salary issue. Let's don't discuss about Greece yet as Greece crisis has nothing to do with property. Yes, Spain cost of labour is far more expensive but at the same time they having a lot of foreign workers as well. My future prediction is all the private sector are mostly construction. I don't believe that purely construction income are good for our nation as property can't be export. Investor may come and buy the property....all they want but don't forget when they want to sell it...who they can sell it to? In the end, the property are going back to Malaysia. This is a crisis that soon coming. What I highlight is Msia are going Spain way as Spain majority private sector are just construction before the property crisis.

Oh ya, I know the local management are doing it hard. But, statistical won't lie. The MNC are going down after so many year of tried hard. Our MNC industry has been stagnant for more than 10 years before it start drops few years ago.

Anyhow, I will be watching biggrin.gif

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post Aug 2 2013, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Aug 2 2013, 10:54 PM)
With sarcasm, do you think these people are just pure investors or homebuyers? Hahaha...

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I know what they are and what is their background. tongue.gif
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post Aug 2 2013, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 2 2013, 07:29 PM)
to me, this is very bad news. if penang as the bedrock of boland mfg thinks its a goner, tough.

in the old days, sg did that - plough money incl cpf into constr when recession arrives. that actually worked, but they r passed that now, more in to services n trade.

here, gud times, bad times, just build n constr out of trouble. may not work tis time with so much debt overhang. of course, the leakages go on regardless...

very dark days ahead... more so when focus seems to be dogs n canteens....
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They can't afford to mass around with their property this time, or their people are going to sleep on the street or in Johor tongue.gif So...now they turn to rich China folk or foreign workers that will give better tax rate. The local hates it but they have to live with it, Singapore don't have another way around or it will be game over. wink.gif

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post Aug 2 2013, 11:40 PM

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preview event held early this morning...

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post Aug 3 2013, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(chengcheng @ Aug 2 2013, 10:52 PM)
What do you mean? some places listed higher but still rental down???
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yup apartments listed higher or similar rental to a condo. or that the rental within the same building differs widely. so some rental rate is likely to go down. those enter late might not be able to pay their monthly repayment then.
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post Aug 3 2013, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Aug 2 2013, 02:35 PM)
good sharing.
let's take a look at property as an example.
the zest.
launch circa 2008/2009.
launch price approx RM200psf.
say 1100sf apt at RM240k.
DP = RM24k
fast forward to now circa RM460psf. So approx RM506k.
take gross profit = approx rm266k / RM24k (vested capital)
1108% over 5 years
= 222% p.a.

not sure whether the above calculation is right or not.
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The good for property investment over shares:-
1). Low interest rate 4.3%
2). The profit is calculated based on vested capital not the cost of the house.
3). It is tangible. You can buy for staying or investment. For shares investment, it is intangible.
4). less risky but good for appreciation. (Average 8% p.a. increment at least)

No doubt sifu kochin is good at property investment.

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tigana
post Aug 3 2013, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(accetera @ Aug 2 2013, 10:54 PM)
With sarcasm, do you think these people are just pure investors or homebuyers? Hahaha...

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bbb mode is back in subang jaya with @cylee pic from empire remix2
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Isn't Empire remix on commercial strata? So I would think most are investors hoping to rent out.
I could be wrong.
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post Aug 3 2013, 10:24 PM

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once upon a time, ppl used to Q for 3 days for new property launches. Now at least you get to ballot.

BUY BUY BUY ppl .... u can at least make 2 or 3x. So far it has only gone up 2-3x, i think it got room to grow another 2x.

All condos will be priced above RM1k psf from the current avg RM500psf. So average 1000sf unit will sell for RM1 million ...

BUY now before it is too late ppl ...
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post Aug 3 2013, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(ibwo @ Aug 3 2013, 10:24 PM)
once upon a time, ppl used to Q for 3 days for new property launches. Now at least you get to ballot.

BUY BUY BUY ppl .... u can at least make 2 or 3x.  So far it has only gone up 2-3x,  i think it got room to grow another 2x.

All condos will be priced above RM1k psf from the current avg RM500psf.  So average 1000sf unit will sell for RM1 million ...

BUY now before it is too late ppl ...
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what is 2-3x? sap sap sui oni... shanghai prop price gone up more than 10x in 10 years time. scary or not tongue.gif
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post Aug 3 2013, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(ibwo @ Aug 3 2013, 10:24 PM)
once upon a time, ppl used to Q for 3 days for new property launches. Now at least you get to ballot.

BUY BUY BUY ppl .... u can at least make 2 or 3x.  So far it has only gone up 2-3x,  i think it got room to grow another 2x.

All condos will be priced above RM1k psf from the current avg RM500psf.  So average 1000sf unit will sell for RM1 million ...

BUY now before it is too late ppl ...
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Apartment within 3rd ring road in Beijing and Shanghai is over rmb50k psm. Why only rm1k psf in kl not rm2k+ psf?

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post Aug 4 2013, 05:06 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 3 2013, 11:36 PM)
Apartment within 3rd ring road in Beijing and Shanghai is over rmb50k psm. Why only rm1k psf in kl not rm2k+ psf?
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Maybe hav to change d saying..
Buy at own risk to
Don't buy at own risk?
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post Aug 4 2013, 06:46 AM

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QUOTE(ibwo @ Aug 3 2013, 10:24 PM)
once upon a time, ppl used to Q for 3 days for new property launches. Now at least you get to ballot.

BUY BUY BUY ppl .... u can at least make 2 or 3x.  So far it has only gone up 2-3x,  i think it got room to grow another 2x.

All condos will be priced above RM1k psf from the current avg RM500psf.  So average 1000sf unit will sell for RM1 million ...

BUY now before it is too late ppl ...
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How many u bought?? πŸ˜„πŸ˜„
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Aug 2 2013, 01:39 PM)
bro those invested in gold.... by now already lau sai...
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More "sai" to come when Fed taper off.....β˜”β˜”β˜”β˜”

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post Aug 4 2013, 07:03 AM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Aug 1 2013, 05:31 PM)
Oh yeah Bank bumiputera does not exist anymore. My point was, during these recession period in Malaysia, stocks hurt the most compared to property.
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Bank Bumi merged with another bank to form Bumiputra bank ( ie BCB), and was later merged with 2 banks over 6 years ago to form CIMB with Dato Nasir leading the group.

Since CIMB was formed in 2006, it has acquired southern bank in 2007, and a list of foreign banking entities...




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