No, it's polished for incomplete parties. Full parties & solo queue shouldn't really benefit from this.

That is a concern, but smurf protection already exists, so that should in theory solve part of the problem.

Let me try explain why Valve is struggling with MM as a whole:

The main problem with the system is how it ASSIGNS ratings, matching those ratings is a much simpler process.

When the system was first proposed, Valve hinted that they were using a derived version of Microsoft's TrueSkill rating system (TSR). This system was originally developed for games such as Halo etc. As with most ELO-based systems, TSR is optimized for 1v1 games, and not the 5v5 game that DotA is (for such games, there needs to be a correlation between the impact one teammate has on another's rating). The reason TSR was selected as the base model to work with is it's high convergence rate, i.e. players get a relatively accurate rating within a small number of games. For 1v1 games, TSR can accurately rate a player in under 5 games. For a complex multiplayer game like DotA, this value inevitably increases (the actual minimum number of games to get a proper rating is unknown, but some people on Dotabuff have noted that they can get moved up to the next bracket by 6 games).

As far as matching goes, we know that parties of similar size are preferable, and that each party is evaluated by it's average rating, with some bonus/penalty depending on the best player in the party as well as the party size. This indicates the use of a stripped down genetic algorithm to identify the optimum matchups. One inherent problem with genetic algorithms is to keep the matching accurate, it takes a considerable amount of time (i.e. server resources) to compute. In practice, a variable called the mutation rate is adjusted so that the matching becomes as accurate as possible for a given amount of time that's considered reasonable. This give and take is why Valve cannot please everyone - either matches are slightly unbalanced for certain members of the population, or it takes 30 minutes to queue.

Overall, this presents a very complex mathematical problem, and it's one that's not going to be resolved quickly. Even the smallest of improvements take years to perfect.

It's already been established for quite some time. Now, can you please stop feeding the troll?

This post has been edited by v1n0d: Jul 18 2013, 06:08 PM

This is why you shouldn't feed trolls. It only encourages them. If you just ignore him, he'll grow bored and go away.

SEA Inhouse League divisions are out. Those who applied do check.

The new MM algorithm seems to be doing okay now.

You sendiri guess la, bukannya macam susah nak teka pun.

Not necessarily true. My win rate is below 50%, but I'm in the upper bracket. Truth is, nobody knows how the MMR is assigned. There's a Valve guy on the forums addressing concerns now, you can post there to ask him how to move up.

In the client, go to watch and choose recent matches. Search by your name and set the appropriate bracket.

There was a Valve circular somewhere that said the EXP level has no effect whatsoever on MM.

Eh this one too much work la.

Nope. My main account 1k+. My smurf 100 wins. Both also meet the same people in MM.

I was just about to say this.

Registration is on their Facebook page. Slots closed for the S1 though. Pity everything's going in in August, it's the busiest time of the year for me.

Have you tried Googling a solution?

IDK. Seems to work pretty well though, my first smurf took a while to get to VH, but the 2nd account got there in 3 games.

SGSuser is the trollmaster, can't you see him feeding his pet?

I try organize next Tuesday can? I'm in KL until then, didn't bring my laptop with me.

https://www.facebook.com/SEAIHL

Subang so far la, I confirm cannot go one.

+1 to this. Even pro stacks can go down. Under the right circumstances, anything can happen.

This portion is completely wrong. Granted, there is a segment of players who take the game seriously and play to win (me included), but that doesn't mean everyone has to follow suit. Just as much as these "noobs" are spoiling the game for you, you're spoiling the game for them as well by making it a stressful environment when all they wanna do is have fun. This is precisely why people have been asking Valve to provide separate casual and competitive queues. Everyone b1tches about MM from time to time, but that's just what it is - b1tching. If you're serious about wanting to do something about it, then join a guild or league.

This looks like the rempit version of this thread: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2887021

Yeah, but some of the players there are very good. I've played D1 with them before. It would be great if they could also share their tips etc. here.

So tomorrow night how? Inhouse on or not?

cc: Blues89