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post May 13 2006, 10:36 AM, updated 20y ago

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Final PS3 specs:

    * HDD (Of 20 or 60GB capacity) includes in every SKUs.
    * 4 USB ports
    * BDR drive speed: 2X for BRD-ROM 8X for DVD-ROM
    * Free online play.
    * The only model available will be the black one.
    * The Controller will have a Tilt Sensor and it won't feature the Rumble function.
    * Price
          o USD499 for the 20GB HDD SKU: no HDMI, no memory card, no WiFi
          o USD599 for the 60GB HDD SKU: 1 HDMI connector

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509ae.pdf


Official Media:

The controller (A Wireless DS2)
http://www.scee.presscentre.com/imagelibra...DetailsID=28993

No vibration in the new controller
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Pursuant to the introduction of this new six-axis sensing system, the vibration feature that is currently available on DUALSHOCK® and DUALSHOCK®2 controllers for PlayStation and PlayStation®2, will be removed from the new PS3 controller as vibration itself interferes with information detected by the sensor.
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/060509be.pdf

The Console:
http://www.scee.presscentre.com/imagelibra...DetailsID=28995
http://www.scee.presscentre.com/imagelibra...DetailsID=28999
http://www.scee.presscentre.com/imagelibra...DetailsID=29000
http://www.scee.presscentre.com/imagelibra...DetailsID=29001
http://www.scee.presscentre.com/imagelibra...DetailsID=28994


Conforence Coverage:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/08/engadget...tation-3-e3-ev/ (with screenshots)
http://www.gamespot.com/ (free video streaming)


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Known Specifications: Wikipedia
* Processors:
o IBM PowerPC CPU "Broadway":
+ Has been recently completed
o ATI GPU "Hollywood":

* Supposedly "one development source we spoke to had this to say of the Revolution CPU and GPU: "Basically, take a GameCube, double the clock rate of the CPU and GPU and you're done." source: [17]
* Memory:
o 88 MB 1T-SRAM by MoSys
o 512 MB built-in expandable flash memory
o 16 MB DRAM or D-RAM
* Ports and peripherals:
o Two USB 2.0 ports.
o Wireless controllers.
o Possibly a single proprietary output for video and audio.
o 4 × Nintendo GameCube controller ports and 2 × Nintendo GameCube memory card ports (for compatibility).
o Optional USB PC-compatible 802.11b wireless router.
* Media:
o Slot loading optical disc drive compatible with both 12 cm and 8 cm proprietary optical discs (again, for GameCube compatibility) as well as standard DVD discs. The proprietary optical discs will hold 4.7 GB (single layered) and 8.5 GB (double layered).
o 2 × front loading SD memory card slots.
o Nintendo has announced that the Revolution will have a content ratings system in its console, having age restrictions as follows: PEGI 3+, 7+, 12+, 16+,18+, and ESRB EC, E, E10+, T, M, and AO.
* Networking:
o Wi-Fi by the Broadcom Corporation:
+ Built-in 802.11b & 802.11g support.
o No Ethernet port built-in, though Iwata has mentioned that a USB-attachment Ethernet port peripheral will be released, though no further information is known.
* Final version will be smaller than the presented Eł prototype, which is "about the size of three stacked standard DVD cases" (as quoted from the conference).
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Xbox 360 Hardware specifications

Specifications are also available at the official Xbox 360 website.[16]

The central processing unit (CPU), named Xenon (Microsoft) or Waternoose (IBM) is a custom IBM triple-core PowerPC-based design.[17]

    * 90 nm process, 165 million transistors, 65 nm process SOI revision in 2007 [18]
    * Three symmetrical cores, each one SMT-capable and clocked at 3.2 GHz
    * One VMX-128 (IBM's branding for AltiVec) SIMD unit per core
    * 128×128 register file for each VMX unit
    * 1 MB L-2 cache (lockable by the GPU) running at half-speed (1.4 GHz) with a 128bit bus
    * 34 gigabytes per second of L-2 memory bandwidth (256bit x 100 MHz)
    * dot product performance: 9.1 billion per second
    * 98 GFLOPS theoretical peak performance
    * ROM storing Microsoft private encrypted keys

The "Xenos" graphics processing unit (GPU) is a custom chip designed by ATI. (Developed under the name "C1", sometimes "R500")[19] The chip contains two separate silicon dies: the parent GPU and the daughter eDRAM.

    * 315 million transistors total
    * 500 MHz parent GPU (90 nm TSMC process, 235 million transistors)
    * 300 MHz 10 MB daughter embedded DRAM framebuffer (90 nm process, 50 million transistors)
          o NEC designed eDRAM die includes additional logic for color, alpha blending, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing.
          o 7 Render Output units
    * 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
          o 3 groups of 16 arithmetic logic units
          o 1 ALU per fragmentpipe for vertex or pixel shader processing
          o Unified shader architecture (This means that each pipeline is capable of running either pixel or vertex shaders.)
          o Support for DirectX 9.0 Shader Model 3.0, support for future Windows Graphics Foundation 2.0 shader models
          o 2 Shader operations per pipe per cycle
          o 40 Shader operations per cycle across the entire shader array
          o Shader performance: 48 billion (48,000 million) shader operations per second (96 shader operations x 500 MHz)
    * 14 Filtered & 16 unfiltered texture samples per clock
    * Maximum polygon performance: 500 million triangles per second
    * Texel fillrate: 8 gigatexel per second fillrate (16 textures x 500 MHz)
    * Pixel fillrate: 4 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X multisample anti aliasing (MSAA) or 1 gigapixel per second without multisample anti aliasing (8 ROPs x 500 MHz)
    * Dot product operations: 24 billion per second or 33.6 billion per second theoretical maximum when summed with CPU operations
    * 1 TFLOPS theoretical peak performance of CPU and GPU combined

Memory

    * 512 MB 700 MHz GDDR3 (1400 MHz effective) RAM (Total system memory is shared with the GPU via the unified memory architecture.)

The system bandwidth comprises:

    * 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth (700 MHz × 2 accesses per clock cycle (one per edge) on a 128 bit bus)
    * 256 GB/s eDRAM internal logic to eDRAM internal memory bandwidth
    * 32 GB/s GPU to eDRAM bandwidth (2 GHz × 2 accesses per clock cycle on a 64 bit DDR bus)
    * 21.6 GB/s front side bus (aggregated 10.8 GB/s upstream and downstream)
    * 1 GB/s southbridge bandwidth (aggregated 500 MB/s upstream and downstream)

Audio

    * All games must support at least six channel (5.1) Dolby Digital surround sound
    * Support for 48 kHz 16-bit audio
    * 320 independent decompression channels
    * 32 bit processing
    * 256+ audio channels
    * No voice echo to game players on the same Xbox console; voice goes only to remote consoles
    * Voice communication is handled by the console, not by the game code. This allows players to communicate online even if they are playing different games.
    * Uses XMA codec (based on WMA Pro)

Video

All games are required to support a 16:9 aspect ratio, and a HD resolution of 720p with 2x full scene anti-aliasing enabled. The GPU can crossconvert the native 720p to other display resolutions (including 480i SDTV and 480p) and dynamically crop or scale 16:9 to fit 4:3 screens. Some games will optionally support 1080i and 480p native rendering, instead of rendering at a fixed 720p resolution and then crossconverting.

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My words On :
Xbox 360 : Is for gamer who can't wait to play Next-Generation, like 2.75G Phone (EDGE), not fully 3G
PS3 : It have it all, but expensive and stupid 499USD set.
Wii : For everyone, grandpa,grandma, baby, serious gamer. FUN + addictive.

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post May 13 2006, 01:06 PM

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Can i throw away any sense of fanboyism and get all three? Poll does not allow such selection. tongue.gif

You dont necessarily need to OWN all three, just respect each and every strengths and weaknesses of them three. Or you dont need to OWN all three of them AT ONCE, just stagger them between periods and get them all three eventually.

Of course, not that all this gonna stop SOME of us from being fanboyish about their beloved console. Personally, i think restricting your gaming choices to one console, shuts your minds out from the great possibilities other competing consoles might have.

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post May 13 2006, 03:31 PM

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Can Xbox360 play HD DVD video? According to the specs it cannot play HD DVD video.

For PS3, the first time they announce the price, ya my thought is like its exspensive. But considering the spec that they got, like able to play Blueray disc, free online, XDR ram, better HD resolution, HDMI OUT, 2.5" hard disk and bluetooth joypad, its quite a good package. Considering an high end gaming pc is about twice the price of PS3 and that pc can't support blue ray.

Well If you look PS3 just as a gaming console then you will think is not worth. But If you look at PS3 as a entertainment console then is quite worth.

I wont get the first version of PS3 because every first batch of any console has some problem. The best is probably the third batch. So I'll only buy it like 3 years after launch.
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i love them all. right now, im trying to fatten my wallet so i can buy all of them. my last 360 fund, i put it on a Sony T9 diet wacko.gif. dammit, no more impulse purchase in the future flex.gif
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yeah...nintendo wii
i want to play something fresh....already bored with ps2,havent touch it for months...
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post May 13 2006, 03:42 PM

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Xbox 360 plays HD DVDs using the HD DVD addon drive.
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post May 13 2006, 04:21 PM

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post May 13 2006, 05:02 PM

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This poll is bias..where is phantom!!!! The gaming console lead by drug addicts.
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post May 13 2006, 06:10 PM

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Wii is not next-gen, Wii is new-gen!!!
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post May 13 2006, 07:37 PM

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aye. I want the Wii! and a 360 would be nice too. tongue.gif PS3 can go kiss my ass until Sony puts back rumble! grrr...
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post May 13 2006, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ May 13 2006, 03:42 PM)
Xbox 360 plays HD DVDs using the HD DVD addon drive.
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How much is the HD DVD addon drive?
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post May 14 2006, 03:48 PM

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PS3 dumb expensive. doh.gif

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post May 15 2006, 04:47 AM

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I'm still wondering where the PS3's dual 1080p displays promise went? The promise i told everyone they would not keep?

Well i've done this so many times but i never get tired of it: I TOLD YOU SO LOLOLOLOLOL
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 15 2006, 04:47 AM)
I'm still wondering where the PS3's dual 1080p displays promise went? The promise i told everyone they would not keep?

Well i've done this so many times but i never get tired of it: I TOLD YOU SO LOLOLOLOLOL
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yeah, i also sceptical about it. and even if there's dual hdmi output, how many people got 2 tv capable of 1080p?
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 14 2006, 07:37 PM)
yeah, i also sceptical about it. and even if there's dual hdmi output, how many people got 2 tv capable of 1080p?
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It's not that. The problem is the graphics chip (G71 based) will not be able to deliver decent frame rates with that many pixels to draw. That's how i knew from the start that they were lying.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 15 2006, 08:37 AM)
yeah, i also sceptical about it. and even if there's dual hdmi output, how many people got 2 tv capable of 1080p?
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good question .. now another question .. how many people have 1 1080p resolution tv. and would let their children to play games on it. i bet playing games would kill the tv faster as compared to watching movies .. like it or not PS3's target audience will be from <>14yo onward. Parents get game consoles to get their children to stay at home ... that is one of the reason why Nintendo survived the technological onslaughts from Mic and Sony.
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QUOTE(HeavenNirvana @ May 13 2006, 03:31 PM)
Can Xbox360 play HD DVD video? According to the specs it cannot play HD DVD video.

For PS3, the first time they announce the price, ya my thought is like its exspensive. But considering the spec that they got, like able to play Blueray disc, free online, XDR ram, better HD resolution, HDMI OUT, 2.5" hard disk and bluetooth joypad, its quite a good package. Considering an high end gaming pc is about twice the price of PS3 and that pc can't support blue ray.

Well If you look PS3 just as a gaming console then you will think is not worth. But If you look at PS3 as a entertainment console then is quite worth.

I wont get the first version of PS3 because every first batch of any console has some problem. The best is probably the third batch. So I'll only buy it  like 3 years after launch.
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Not PC cant play BlueRay, and yet, dont compare with PC, PC just need to buy a BlueRay Drive to play BlueRay.

As per Fun wise, Nintendo Wii for da Way!!!, its not just sitting and playing???? its come out the game just like exercise.
Maybe in my heart, im still a nintendo fans boy tongue.gif

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post May 16 2006, 08:19 AM

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had to admit, if let only ONE to choose... i will get the PS3 eventhou i'm own an x360 just for the 2x more power it can give compared to x360.. there will be time when multi platform games on x360 will have lower framerate compared to ps3

anyway, will get them all eventualy
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QUOTE(eone @ May 15 2006, 07:19 PM)
had to admit, if let only ONE to choose... i will get the PS3 eventhou i'm own an x360 just for the 2x more power it can give compared to x360.. there will be time when multi platform games on x360 will have lower framerate compared to ps3

anyway, will get them all eventualy
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Haha, dream on. The PS3 is about on par with the xb360. In fact, the xb360 is actually a step ahead in the graphics department.

Well i guess it's 2x more powerful if you're willing to believe the people who said that the PS3 would have 2x 1080p display capability. ROFL.
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 16 2006, 10:59 AM)
Haha, dream on. The PS3 is about on par with the xb360. In fact, the xb360 is actually a step ahead in the graphics department.

Well i guess it's 2x more powerful if you're willing to believe the people who said that the PS3 would have 2x 1080p display capability. ROFL.
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Well this is because xbox360 game now is in the second generation already and PS3's game isnt an end product yet. I'm sure the second generation PS3 game will have a much more improve graphics.
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well.. i really respect the Cell cpu.. even 200mhz cell on ps2 capable running games that from pc with 2ghz, just imagine, 3.2Ghz + 7 SPEs.... let alone the cell it self is actually a gpu
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QUOTE(HeavenNirvana @ May 15 2006, 11:18 PM)
Well this is because xbox360 game now is in the second generation already and PS3's game isnt an end product yet. I'm sure the second generation PS3 game will have a much more improve graphics.
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Well here's the deal: The ps3 GPU is a G71 (directx9). The Xbox360 GPU is close to what we'll get when directX10 arrives.


QUOTE(eone @ May 15 2006, 11:50 PM)
well.. i really respect the Cell cpu.. even 200mhz cell on ps2 capable running games that from pc with 2ghz, just imagine, 3.2Ghz + 7 SPEs.... let alone the cell it self is actually a gpu
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PS2 does not have a Cell, and Cell is not a GPU.
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QUOTE(HeavenNirvana @ May 16 2006, 12:18 PM)
Well this is because xbox360 game now is in the second generation already and PS3's game isnt an end product yet. I'm sure the second generation PS3 game will have a much more improve graphics.
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Actually xb360 first gen games looks pretty damn good compare to ps3 first gen....i still remember lots of people laughing at it though, saying xbox1.5. Now when the ps3 game ingame were shown...erm.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 16 2006, 01:40 PM)
PS2 does not have a Cell, and Cell is not a GPU.
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eh, i tot emotion is 1st gen cell..

anyway, here's an interesting article (its old btw)
http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/200...0/gpus-vs-cell/

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QUOTE(guardioo @ May 15 2006, 09:29 PM)
Not PC cant play BlueRay, and yet, dont compare with PC, PC just need to buy a BlueRay Drive to play BlueRay.
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until MS finally decide to support blu-ray, there will be no blu ray driver that can communicate with the windows.


QUOTE(eone @ May 16 2006, 03:17 PM)
eh, i tot emotion is 1st gen cell..

anyway, here's an interesting article (its old btw)
http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/200...0/gpus-vs-cell/
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the link is about someone saying he using cell processor with 8 spe, nothing about emotion is 1st gen cell.
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QUOTE(eone @ May 16 2006, 02:17 AM)
eh, i tot emotion is 1st gen cell..

anyway, here's an interesting article (its old btw)
http://gametomorrow.com/blog/index.php/200...0/gpus-vs-cell/
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I don't think you even know what the article was discussing now do you?
If that code had any dynamic branching in it, that will explain why it's slower on the Nvidia GPU. Run it on the X1900 or Xenos (xbox360 GPU) and it will fly.

The Cell, while being a good streaming processor, does not have the resources to do texturing and all the other stuff which a GPU can do quickly.

And the emotion engine is not the first generation Cell. The PS3 is using the 1st generation Cell.

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I don't care if it's bloody 2D. If it's fun, I'll play. So far in my mind I'm targeting the 360 for run and gun, bloody explosions, and the Wii for unique gameplay. If and when the PS3 comes down to a reasonable price, maybe I'll get it.

Heck. By that time maybe I can afford a decent LCD screen too.
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 16 2006, 03:50 PM)
I don't think you even know what the article was discussing now do you?
If that code had any dynamic branching in it, that will explain why it's slower on the Nvidia GPU. Run it on the X1900 or Xenos (xbox360 GPU) and it will fly.

The Cell, while being a good streaming processor, does not have the resources to do texturing and all the other stuff which a GPU can do quickly.

And the emotion engine is not the first generation Cell. The PS3 is using the 1st generation Cell.
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eh? really? to my understanding is, the code is actually for the GPU, and they tested on the cell alone, simple as that.. and i read somewhere long ago, cell is from emotion ><, the concept is there..

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QUOTE(eone @ May 16 2006, 04:19 PM)
eh? really? to my understanding is, the code is actually for the GPU, and they tested on the cell alone, simple as that.. and i read somewhere long ago, cell is from emotion ><, the concept is there..
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you do seem a tad confused imo. tongue.gif first and foremost, the Cell is not a GPU. that bit is being handled by Nvidia on the PS3...
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ May 16 2006, 02:08 PM)
Actually xb360 first gen games looks pretty damn good compare to ps3 first gen....i still remember lots of people laughing at it though, saying xbox1.5. Now when the ps3 game ingame were shown...erm.... tongue.gif
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Well from what I see, PS3 ingame that were shown is very nice. Heavenly sword's graphics is beautiful and with interactive background, same goes to warhawk. As for xbox360, their doa4 and doax2 graphics is not a huge improvement and their hair animation is really a let down. Doax2 is not much improve from doax. Thats why 360 is still call as 1.5. But Xbox360 best graphics preview game must be gears of wars. Its graphics is on the par with unreal tournament 2007.

The fact is PS2 and PS3 architecture is challenging for game developer because they are harder to create. So developer must take time to find out those goodies in order to create beautiful graphics and gameplay. But since Sony add alot of middleware to PS3, it should help developer to create game easier.

Xbox360 is easier because its architecture is similar to PC.

I'm preety sure that PS3's games graphics will improve over the past few months after its release.
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...have you seen tekken 6 video? (gamespot got) Hair & clothes animation, gfx....erm....you get the drill. Doa 4 tops it anyday....

Anyway Heavenly Sword is awesome indeed...warhawk, no...just not yet.

of course ps3 gfx will improve over time...thing is, there is nothing on their showfloor that justify xb360 as...xbox 1.5 yet, in fact it's quite a let down.
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QUOTE(HeavenNirvana @ May 16 2006, 12:02 PM)
Well from what I see, PS3 ingame that were shown is very nice. Heavenly sword's graphics is beautiful and with interactive background, same goes to warhawk. As for xbox360, their doa4 and doax2 graphics is not a huge improvement and their hair animation is really a let down. Doax2 is not much improve from doax. Thats why 360 is still call as 1.5. But Xbox360 best graphics preview game must be gears of wars. Its graphics is on the par with unreal tournament 2007.

The fact is PS2 and PS3 architecture is challenging for game developer because they are harder to create. So developer must take time to find out those goodies in order to create beautiful graphics and gameplay. But since Sony add alot of middleware to PS3, it should help developer to create game easier.

Xbox360 is easier because its architecture is similar to PC.

I'm preety sure that PS3's games graphics will improve over the past few months after its release.
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Xbox360's architecture is not similar to a PC at all. It's not using any PC parts at all. However, a lot of ppl are saying that development on the 360 is nice because the tools microsoft provides are good. Carmack's game engine developed for the 360 will utilize its graphics capabilities to the maximum and prove me right about Xenos laugh.gif

The PS3's RSX is just a modified G71, which is a PC part. Hahahaha.
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thats totally console fans boy thinking, you play game bcoz of graphics??

tats not really a good thinking.

Regarding PC support Blue-Ray or not, doesnt want to cause flame war la, admit it, PC can buy anything to add-on, doesnt need M$ to support or not support, as long as some manufacturer come out blue ray drive, they will come out thier own driver support.

ok~back to console,

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We won't know if Nintendo's attempt to capture new gamers and the mass market will truly be successful until the Wii console has been on the market for some time, but if early impressions are any sign, Nintendo is in fine shape. Most attendees of this year's Electronic Entertainment Expo were quite impressed with the Wii's intuitive and remarkably sensitive motion tracking controls, and while graphics found within games like Tennis in Wii Sports are somewhat disappointing there's no denying the fun to be had with the Wii and its games.

Apparently investors have been quite encouraged by the Wii debut as well. According to BBC News, Nintendo shares jumped over six percent to 19,710 yen having gone as high as 19,890 yen, which represents its highest level since April 2002. BBC News website technology editor Alfred Hermida said that the "Wii overshadowed Sony's much vaunted PS3 at the expo," and analysts seem impressed as well.

"In our opinion, the highlight of the show was the unveiling of Nintendo's Wii console, with hands-on demonstrations of the console's unique controller mechanism," said Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter in his latest industry note. "Most of the attendees we spoke to found the Wii to be truly revolutionary, and the majority were quite impressed with the potential for the platform."

He continued, "We found the controller mechanism extremely innovative, and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. In our opinion, the Wii was the hit of E3, and we think that sales expectations for the console are likely to rise substantially now that retailers have seen how popular the device was with industry professionals... It did not announce a price point for the console, though we expect an announcement by September. Our estimate is currently $299, though we think it is possible that the Wii could launch at $249."

Pachter added that he wasn't impressed by what Microsoft and Sony had to offer. "Other than Wii games, we saw little that impressed us beyond stunning graphics. A few of the PC games were really interesting, in particular [Will Wright's] Spore, but the Xbox 360 and PS3 games on display looked like high definition versions of console games released over the last two years."

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But i looking forward for ps3 controller, not sure how much fun will it giving me

Anyway, you may go ahead and buy ps3!!!!but i doubt there is pirated games tongue.gif

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cell is not a gpu, but it can be a gpu .. oh.. blink.gif rclxub.gif sweat.gif

thousand sword true of its beautiful gfx, but that goodness in within an arena

and about the controller, such revolutionary as wii did show us, for me, its just a controller which any console can adopt it later, its gfx is a let down.

also, seen vf5 @ ign, the fighting scheme need to be revamp, it looks like playing old vf4.. and doa4 seems for me, is far better.

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cell is not a gpu, but it can be a gpu .. oh..  blink.gif  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif

thousand sword true of its beautiful gfx, but that goodness in within an arena

and about the controller, such revolutionary as wii did show us, for me, its just a controller which any console can adopt it later, its gfx is a let down.

also, seen vf5 @ ign, the fighting scheme need to be revamp, it looks like playing old vf4.. and doa4 seems for me, is far better.
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No, wii's controller needed quite a bit of work, it's not a tilt sensor unlike the PS3's.

And they never marketed the wii as a super HD ultra mega gfx machine. As i always say, they weren't the ones who promised dual HD displays and failed to deliver laugh.gif
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Personally, after E3, im more pysched to get myself the Wii, than PS3. The simple fact that MGS4 without any tactile feedback kills the experience already shows that Sony does not care to elevate their target audience's experience other than following the previous generation's experience. Sure you can tilt and all, but from what i read, the tilt addition into the Warhawk demo was implemented 10 days before it hits showfloor. Tilt technology isnt something new, it has been implemented on old GBA carts and as proof of concept even during the old Genesis/SNES days. Only this time Sony wants it taken one step further, into the mainstream audience , rather than the older days where it is limited to GBA carts.Sure, my Sawaru:Made in Wario cart is very "interactive" when i played it on my GBA, but doing that same thing evoked the "been there, done that" feeling on the PS3.

C'mon Sony, stop following and start leading the innovation. I miss the old Sony ,the old Sony during the Nintendo-Sony breakup SNES era. Proves only that when you're pushed to a corner with nothing to lose then during those desperate hours, you get the thinking machine going. They (Sony) shouldnt be resting on their laurels just because they are leading the pack previous gen!

While raising the bar on graphical nuances is a given, since every console update equals more room for graphical improvement, discerning gamers at present want an equally involving experience to go with that shiny graphics. After seeing videos on how Wii works and how the crowd loved it, i dare say they totally own E3 this year, and out of nowhere to boot!

I'd have more of gameplay please, over glitzy graphics. Im playing more UNO compared to Oblivion. Just received my New Super Mario Bros on the NDS, and im playing that more than Monster Hunter Freedom on PSP. What im saying is, not that Oblivion or Monster Hunter Freedom arent interesting in the gameplay department, but over time, interesting gameplay will hook you over , over any shiny graphics thrown at you.

P/s: Ikanayam, i clicked tthat "link" on your sig to see ourselves in action, i had teh tarik spilling our of my nostrils burst out laughing while i read those comments. I couldnt agree with you more on those "idiots" , too bad, the links are....broken?Or deleted?

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I have to agree. Gameplay rules.

This year's E3 has pretty much confirmed my belief in Nintendo's approach - and as a bonus I'm considering getting myself a 360, simply because there are going to be some good times for MS's console while Sony sorts their shit out, pricing and feature wise.

The 360-Wii combo I believe will be good enough for at least a couple years, especially since my gf INSISTS on buying the Wii - that's how appealing it looks for her. I personally think that initially there'll be some sort of similarity between Wii's lineup and the DS's - first party games will rock, hard and third party offerings will waver between mediocre and average - well, at least until they actually try hard to make an actual playable game and not some movie adaptation ripoff. However, if Ninty's really being friendlier to indy and thirdparty devs, that may mean the curve will change and we're gonna see better thirdparty offerings, which is always good.

I REALLY wanted to be impressed with the PS3. Really. They've always had good franchises, and I foresee myself getting one probably in a couple years. Their showing at E3 was again, a letdown, as even a pro-Sony friend of mine admitted (and he was there for E3).

I guess Miyamoto is right - if the industry chooses to constrain itself to a small, shrinking pool of hardcore gamers, pretty soon we'll cannibalise ourselves to death. But as long as the gameplay can draw new gamers in, the ones who DIDN'T grow up with NESes, MegaDrives or Game and watches, we're pretty much in good shape.

So come on Sony, deliver something good. The world is watching.

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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ May 17 2006, 01:11 AM)
...have you seen tekken 6 video? (gamespot got) Hair & clothes animation, gfx....erm....you get the drill. Doa 4 tops it anyday....

Anyway Heavenly Sword is awesome indeed...warhawk, no...just not yet.

of course ps3 gfx will improve over time...thing is, there is nothing on their showfloor that justify xb360 as...xbox 1.5 yet, in fact it's quite a let down.
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Tekken 6 demo on E3 is a rush product, thats why its short. I think the animation of the hair on tekken 6 is better than doa4. Doa4 hair animation is so unnatural but the gameplay is quite good. xbox1.5 is given because of last year's event. This year, the graphics has improve so that nick is remove.
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 17 2006, 02:02 AM)
Xbox360's architecture is not similar to a PC at all. It's not using any PC parts at all. However, a lot of ppl are saying that development on the 360 is nice because the tools microsoft provides are good. Carmack's game engine developed for the 360 will utilize its graphics capabilities to the maximum and prove me right about Xenos laugh.gif

The PS3's RSX is just a modified G71, which is a PC part. Hahahaha.
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I thought xbox360 is using powerpc architecture. PS3 games is harder to make cos of its cell processor. It has multi core (I think ther are 9 core if I'm not mistaken) so it makes it harder for the developer to create the logic of the process that runs the game.


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I dont care how the hair animates like in Tekken vs DOA4. People can speculate all they want about demos they see, which might or might not be realtime, but im presently PLAYING DOA4, compared to only watching downloaded videos of some future to be released games and comparing it with an already released game.

My point is, i'd rather EXPERIENCE the game, rather than speculate, comment and b**** all i want about videos i downloaded from the net and compare. which is better, hands-on, or the demos you see? Im tired of seeing something that might or might not be realtime, passed as the real deal, and then when the real game comes out, it fell short of what was initially shown.
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QUOTE(HeavenNirvana @ May 16 2006, 09:57 PM)
I thought xbox360 is using powerpc architecture. PS3 games is harder to make cos of its cell processor. It has multi core (I think ther are 9 core if I'm not mistaken) so it makes it harder for the developer to create the logic of the process that runs the game.
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The Cell also uses a powerPC based architecture. It has one full core (2 threads) and 8 SIMD units (7 active, 1 disabled in the PS3). They have to be managed by that single full core. The xbox360 uses 3 full symmetrical cores (2 threads each).

These CPUs are not as powerful as most people want to believe. A dual core Conroe will probably come close or surpass these CPUs in most cases except just massive number crunching work. They are good streaming CPUs but not good general processors, especially the Cell.

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i agree with stringfellow. i actually don't care how the hair animate in a game... or how mario's jeans overall look second-hand processed or not. i just want good game play.
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The majority thinks that the first thing of a next gen the graphics must be beautiful and realistic than ever. Their thought is better graphics = better gameplay. From my experience not all game that is good in graphics have good gameplay. You gonna have them both.
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i prefer ps3 as there is much more games available for it than other console

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i prefer ps3 as there is much more games available for it than other console
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 17 2006, 02:02 AM)
Xbox360's architecture is not similar to a PC at all. It's not using any PC parts at all. However, a lot of ppl are saying that development on the 360 is nice because the tools microsoft provides are good. Carmack's game engine developed for the 360 will utilize its graphics capabilities to the maximum and prove me right about Xenos laugh.gif

The PS3's RSX is just a modified G71, which is a PC part. Hahahaha.
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xbox360 is similar to the pc architecture lar. Is just that now they have 3 core mananging their own processing element.

PS3 has one core and has 8 SPE in its architecture.

By the way RSX is a graphic card by nvidia. So its similar to pc graphic card. Same goes to xbox360's GPU.

Both console's processor are maximise in the media entertainment functionality. So it doesnt have as many function as the PC's processor.

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QUOTE(HeavenNirvana @ May 17 2006, 12:55 AM)
xbox360 is similar to the pc architecture lar. Is just that now they have 3 core mananging their own processing element.

PS3 has one core and has 8 SPE in its architecture.

By the way RSX is a graphic card by nvidia. So its similar to pc graphic card. Same goes to xbox360's GPU.

Both console's processor are maximise in the media entertainment functionality. So it doesnt have as many function as the PC's processor.
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PCs are x86. PowerPC/Cell is not similar to x86. So you can't say they are similar.

RSX is a G71 modified to use XDR RAM. The Xbox360 GPU has no PC equivalent.

And the PS3 has one PPE and 7 SPEs. One of the 8 is disabled.

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 17 2006, 01:59 PM)
PCs are x86. PowerPC/Cell is not similar to x86. So you can't say they are similar.

RSX is a G71 modified to use XDR RAM. The Xbox360 GPU has no PC equivalent.

And the PS3 has one PPE and 7 SPEs. One of the 8 is disabled.
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 17 2006, 01:59 PM)
PCs are x86. PowerPC/Cell is not similar to x86. So you can't say they are similar.

RSX is a G71 modified to use XDR RAM. The Xbox360 GPU has no PC equivalent.

And the PS3 has one PPE and 7 SPEs. One of the 8 is disabled.
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I get what you meant of PS3's GPU and xbox360 GPU. tongue.gif

Well ATI and Microsoft is trying new things by unified the pipelines and other stuff.
Nvidia's RSX is just adding more pipelines and running on XDR ram.


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QUOTE(eone @ May 17 2006, 01:15 AM)
so, its a mac then  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(HeavenNirvana @ May 17 2006, 01:17 AM)
I get what you meant of PS3's GPU and xbox360 GPU.  tongue.gif

Well ATI and Microsoft is trying new things by unified the pipelines and other stuff.
Nvidia's RSX is just adding more pipelines and running on XDR ram.
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As far as i know, RSX doesn't even have more pipelines than a normal G71, they basically just changed the interface to use XDR and flexIO.
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 17 2006, 11:08 AM)
These CPUs are not as powerful as most people want to believe.
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Which everyone should know had they bothered to read up John Carmack's (and Molyneux was it?) interview last year instead of Sony's and Microsofts pimp armies.

Another thing a lot of people tend to forget is, most games will be multiplatform and at the end of the day, they will be weighted down to the lowest common denominator (the platform with the weakest power)

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i vote for ps3 for gran turismo title
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ May 17 2006, 02:36 PM)
Which everyone should know had they bothered to read up John Carmack's (and Molyneux was it?) interview last year instead of Sony's and Microsofts pimp armies.

Another thing a lot of people tend to forget is, most games will be multiplatform and at the end of the day, they will be weighted down to the lowest common denominator (the platform with the weakest power)
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they MIGHT be,but they will have totally different controls smile.gif
one would have the typical controller,another would have no vibration+ tilting motion,another will have completely based user movements controller laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ May 17 2006, 02:36 PM)
Which everyone should know had they bothered to read up John Carmack's (and Molyneux was it?) interview last year instead of Sony's and Microsofts pimp armies.

Another thing a lot of people tend to forget is, most games will be multiplatform and at the end of the day, they will be weighted down to the lowest common denominator (the platform with the weakest power)
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not all multiplatform developed buttom up, some from up to bottom, which in these case weakest got pawned flex.gif
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ May 17 2006, 02:31 PM)
Sorry, even the new macs are x86 now laugh.gif
As far as i know, RSX doesn't even have more pipelines than a normal G71, they basically just changed the interface to use XDR and flexIO.
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Are you sure? Previously I read it says more pipelines, use xdr ram, able to generate 1080p resolution. But about the dual 1080p res, is proved not able to be done.
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i voted for 60gb ps3

hey check it out after all the flaming and criticizing sony,the 599 version is top voted laugh.gif
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yeah, just wait and see how many will buy it at the price of USD599.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 17 2006, 04:12 PM)
yeah, just wait and see how many will buy it at the price of USD599.
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...and the yet to be announce original blu-ray games.
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...and the yet to be announce original blu-ray games.
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did microsoft announced the HD-DVD game price? how much? unsure.gif
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Microsoft game all use dvd9 la. Now game price at about 130-160.
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QUOTE(heterosapiens @ May 17 2006, 04:33 PM)
did microsoft announced the HD-DVD game price? how much? unsure.gif
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like pJ said. and ps3 games only in blu-ray disc.

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they MIGHT be,but they will have totally different controls smile.gif
one would have the typical controller,another would have no vibration+ tilting motion,another will have completely based user  movements controller laugh.gif
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Well, its not impossible that developers will just forget about the tilting rubbish, its nothing new (Microsoft Freestyle pads anyone? rolleyes.gif) and seems a last minute act of desperation. as for the wii, it also has a shell for normal stuff no? tongue.gif smile.gif

QUOTE(eone @ May 17 2006, 07:59 AM)
cell is not a gpu, but it can be a gpu .. oh..  blink.gif  rclxub.gif  sweat.gif

also, seen vf5 @ ign, the fighting scheme need to be revamp, it looks like playing old vf4.. and doa4 seems for me, is far better.
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Dude, before GPUs came about, your CPU did all the graphics duties. wink.gif

As for Virtua Fighter, I'd personally like to shoot anyone in the head who suggests revamping the mechanics. Why mess with perfection? smile.gif Emphasize 'perfection'.

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blue ray expected 60 dollars for us version and cheaper for asian i bet

about 210 bucks for each game if 60 dollars

and expected 150-160 bucks if asian
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blue ray expected 60 dollars for us version and cheaper for asian i bet

about 210 bucks for each game if 60 dollars

and expected 150-160 bucks if asian
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where did you read it? confirmed already ar?

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i thought their all region free? huh.gif
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does that mean games will be uber expensive? our ori prices are already quite low if you convert prices over there to our money
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ May 17 2006, 04:35 PM)
Microsoft game all use dvd9 la. Now game price at about 130-160.
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i thought their all region free? huh.gif
still got asian versions? laugh.gif
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vote goes 360 lah...so much fun xbox live flex.gif thumbup.gif

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I just got source from some sites :/


Well, just a news, but i feeling to get Xbox 360 too.

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Hackers rejoiced last night when "Commodore4Eva," the hacker who previously released the news of original XBOX 360 DVD firmware hack, has released a downloadable version of the XBOX 360 firmware hack. The Xtreme firmware is currently only available for the "TS-H943" XBOX 360.

This firmware modifications boasts that installers of the binary can boot all game backups from both XBOX 360 and the original XBOX and also the original copies of both XBOX system games. This mod also allows the XBOX's drive to work under Windows without any hardware conversion or adaptors, if such a thing seems interesting. XBOX360.net forum posters claim that Microsoft can probably detect if the firmware has been installed, which may be a large deterrent for those interested in giving it a shot.

There is a basic tutorial that was posted on XBOXhacker.net that goes through the steps on how users can flash the DVD drive on the console. After the flash is completed the firmware then tricks the media check for the XBOX system and gives the system an all-clear signal. To do all of this you need a PC with a compatible drive that can hooked up to through a SATA to XBOX's Toshiba-Samsung DVD drive.

All of the original links to the firmware downloads have been removed at time of publication, but it seems as though enough people downloaded the links to set up mirrors and BitTorrent links.
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QUOTE(BurgaFlippinMan @ May 17 2006, 04:54 PM)
Well, its not impossible that developers will just forget about the tilting rubbish, its nothing new (Microsoft Freestyle pads anyone?  rolleyes.gif) and seems a last minute act of desperation. as for the wii, it also has a shell for normal stuff no? tongue.gif smile.gif
Dude, before GPUs came about, your CPU did all the graphics duties. wink.gif

As for Virtua Fighter, I'd personally like to shoot anyone in the head who suggests revamping the mechanics. Why mess with perfection? smile.gif Emphasize 'perfection'.
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QUOTE(carnbyresurrected @ May 17 2006, 10:02 PM)
Yiiiiii......i hope Wii can suprise everyone like the NDS and PSP war....(NDS won big time cos of innovative gameplay)......cos i wanted to buy xbox360...now im thinking between these 2 ......... rclxub.gif
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just get the x360, save a bit and by early next year, get the wii thumbup.gif

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what i think about the 1080p for ps3 is only on BluRay Video...game MAYBE jus up to 720p/1080i ...
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Wow, I think one company no matter which console wins, He's already a winner, IBM.
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QUOTE(yikyeou @ May 17 2006, 11:03 PM)
what i think about the 1080p for ps3 is only on BluRay Video...game MAYBE jus up to 720p/1080i ...
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all these talk about the next gen game on BD format by Sony is nothing but some marketing gimmick. 10 years from now, "next gen" or not, BD or HD DVD will be replaced by newer and another "next gen" product. Giant corporations will think of new ways to make consumers pay for newer and "better" products. reason = profit margin.

anyhow has anyone started saving money to get a 1080p HD panel. Its a waste of money to get a console for the next gen graphic only to play games on 29in TVs tongue.gif
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QUOTE(psp _BOY @ May 17 2006, 04:57 PM)
blue ray expected 60 dollars for us version and cheaper for asian i bet

about 210 bucks for each game if 60 dollars

and expected 150-160 bucks if asian
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Hopefully it is not too expensive...we can speculate all we want like what we did with PS3 price...but i'll just wait smile.gif
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Feb 8, 2006 - Sony Announces Pricing for Blu-ray Movies
Blu-ray Movies

Sony Pictures on Tuesday became the first major studio to put a price tag on Blu-ray movies when they become available in US stores this year. Catalog Blu-ray Disc (BD) titles will wholesale for $17.95, about the same as DVDs when that format hit the market in 1997. New-release BD movies will wholesale for $23.45, a premium of 15%-20% over what suppliers were charging for new theatrical DVDs. The higher pricing structure for new Blu-ray releases is meant to accommodate the sell-through and rental markets, said Benjamin Feingold, president of Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. He added that Sony will not attach any suggested list prices to its BD movies, at least not at this time. "From the retail perspective, this is going to be a hot product, and retailers will no doubt determine their own margin structure," he said. "We believe in a free market." Blu-ray movies likely will start showing up in stores by early summer.
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Feb 27, 2006 - Lionsgate Announces Titles for Blu-ray Launch
Blu-ray Movies

Lionsgate, the leading independent filmed entertainment company, today announced plans to release 10 titles on the next-generation high-definition Blu-ray Disc (BD) to coincide with the arrival of the first commercially offered BD players in stores. The first wave, available at retail on May 23, will include Crash and Lord of War, priced at a $39.99 SRP, and The Punisher, Saw and Terminator 2: Judgment Day, marked at a $29.99 SRP. The second wave with five additional titles will follow shortly thereafter with a June/July date still to be determined. These BD titles include Reservoir Dogs, Total Recall, Stargate and Frank Herbert's Dune priced at $29.99, while The Devil's Rejects will be available at a $39.99 SRP.
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Apr 10, 2006 - TDK Begins Shipping Blu-ray Recordable and Rewriteable Media
Blu-ray Disc

TDK today announced that it has begun shipping 25GB BD-R/BD-RE (recordable/rewriteable) media to retailers nationwide, making it the first to market with bare Blu-ray media. Retail pricing is set at $19.99 for a 25GB BD-R and $24.99 for a 25GB BD-RE. In addition, TDK will ship 50GB Blu-ray media later this year with retail pricing set at $47.99 for a 50GB BD-R and $59.99 for a 50GB BD-RE. TDK's Blu-ray Disc roadmap also reveals plans to further extend the format's speed and capacity in the future, proving that Blu-ray is truly future-ready. TDK technologies have already enabled creating 100GB, quad-layer Blu-ray Disc prototypes and blazing 216Mbps (6x) speed. The company is currently in the process of developing the world's first 200GB Blu-ray Disc prototype.
Source : http://www.blu-ray.com/
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post May 18 2006, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(heterosapiens @ May 18 2006, 10:58 AM)
Hopefully it is not too expensive...we can speculate all we want like what we did with PS3 price...but i'll just wait smile.gif
Source : http://www.blu-ray.com/
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yupe the proof contradicting statements and failed promises from the BD camp (ask ikanayam tongue.gif )

we are not speculating about the price of PS3. those were the prices officially announced by Sony. 2mil unit of PS3 will be available to the market during the launch as compared to 6mil unit of x box 360 already sold and Mic if PREDICTING another 10mil unit sales during its second holiday sale ..

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Terminator 2: Judgment Day, marked at a $29.99 SRP.

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Catalog Blu-ray Disc (BD) titles will wholesale for $17.95



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post May 18 2006, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(wcliang @ May 17 2006, 08:14 PM)
wahahaha    whistling.gif

vote goes 360 lah...so much fun xbox live  flex.gif  thumbup.gif
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playing online using streamyx isnt something im looking forward to,to be honest(be it on pc,ps3,360 or anything)
and nothing (except GRAW) has made me drool over the prospect of having a 360 as much as MGS4 has regarding the ps3 wink.gif
and seeing how MGS is now completely exclusive to the PS brand,i dont think i will be changing consoles anytime soon! laugh.gif rclxub.gif

QUOTE(g5sim @ May 18 2006, 10:32 AM)
anyhow has anyone started saving money to get a 1080p HD panel. Its a waste of money to get a console for the next gen graphic only to play games on 29in TVs  tongue.gif
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i've got a 40inch tv-good enough la..im not a hardcore high def fanatic...
much rather spend the cash on other things thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ May 18 2006, 04:18 PM)
i've got a 40inch tv-good enough la..im not a hardcore high def fanatic...
much rather spend the cash on other things thumbup.gif
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clever ... must be a Nespray kid rclxms.gif
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Feb 27, 2006 - Lionsgate Announces Titles for Blu-ray Launch
Blu-ray Movies

Lionsgate, the leading independent filmed entertainment company, today announced plans to release 10 titles on the next-generation high-definition Blu-ray Disc (BD) to coincide with the arrival of the first commercially offered BD players in stores. The first wave, available at retail on May 23, will include Crash and Lord of War, priced at a $39.99 SRP, and The Punisher, Saw and Terminator 2: Judgment Day, marked at a $29.99 SRP. The second wave with five additional titles will follow shortly thereafter with a June/July date still to be determined. These BD titles include Reservoir Dogs, Total Recall, Stargate and Frank Herbert's Dune priced at $29.99, while The Devil's Rejects will be available at a $39.99
$39.99, i can get new XB360 games.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 18 2006, 05:02 PM)
$39.99, i can get new XB360 games.
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?

i thought new xb360 games cost around $60?
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QUOTE(mobiusone @ May 18 2006, 05:35 PM)
?

i thought new xb360 games cost around $60?
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US39.90 (RM145) for asian games
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ May 18 2006, 04:18 PM)
playing online using streamyx isnt something im looking forward to,to be honest(be it on pc,ps3,360 or anything)
and nothing (except GRAW) has made me drool over the prospect of having a 360 as much as MGS4 has regarding the ps3 wink.gif
and seeing how MGS is now completely exclusive to the PS brand,i dont think i will be changing consoles anytime soon! laugh.gif  rclxub.gif

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well i feel bad for u.......

tongue.gif no idea wat is MGS...maybe it really worth ur time n money.....really a loyal fans

hehe as a m'sian,of course i am using streamyx, no problem to play on xbox live, in fact playing almost every night......not only with our dearest local gamers, but also Pjohn far in Uk, teranova in Hongkong, a lot Sporean ..and others gamer around the world.

lol.....try it, experience it....jump out of the box, u may discover a totally different and wonderful world smile.gif biggrin.gif

it's good to play together.... tongue.gif




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QUOTE(wcliang @ May 18 2006, 06:02 PM)
well i feel bad for u.......

tongue.gif no idea wat is MGS...maybe it really worth ur time n money.....really a loyal fans


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its one of those games that you either love it or hate it laugh.gif

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hehe as a m'sian,of course i am using streamyx, no problem to play on xbox live, in fact playing almost every night......not only with our dearest local gamers, but also Pjohn  far in Uk, teranova in Hongkong, a lot Sporean ..and others gamer around the world.

lol.....try it, experience it....jump out of the box, u may discover a totally different and wonderful world smile.gif biggrin.gif

it's good to play together.... tongue.gif

just so im clear,i never said online gaming was bad laugh.gif
just that streamyx drives me up the wall vmad.gif vmad.gif
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post May 18 2006, 06:12 PM

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and i played with japanese, they screams my gamertag name and start talking nihongo to me. sweat.gif

played with US, getting punched and KO by Muhammad Ali never felt this good. tongue.gif

aussie also has it's share with me. out of 10 words they say, i only understand one. doh.gif

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post May 18 2006, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(wcliang @ May 18 2006, 06:02 PM)
well i feel bad for u.......

tongue.gif no idea wat is MGS...maybe it really worth ur time n money.....really a loyal fans

hehe as a m'sian,of course i am using streamyx, no problem to play on xbox live, in fact playing almost every night......not only with our dearest local gamers, but also Pjohn  far in Uk, teranova in Hongkong, a lot Sporean ..and others gamer around the world.

lol.....try it, experience it....jump out of the box, u may discover a totally different and wonderful world smile.gif biggrin.gif

it's good to play together.... tongue.gif
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How much microsoft pay you? I just receive paycheck from microsoft....
Jump in, jump out~

Muahaha.... tongue.gif
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post May 18 2006, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ May 18 2006, 05:45 PM)
US39.90 (RM145) for asian games
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oo..i see there


and online gaming with streamyx isnt that bad at all.
Yeah..you may complain about the slow speeds at peak hours.
Besides that,it is more than enough for online gaming.Not superb,nor terrible.
There will be lags,but not show stopping ones(besides peak hours lol)


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QUOTE(mobiusone @ May 18 2006, 06:20 PM)
oo..i see there
and online gaming with streamyx isnt that bad at all.
Yeah..you may complain about the slow speeds at peak hours.
Besides that,it is more than enough for online gaming.Not superb,nor terrible.
There will be lags,but not show stopping ones(besides peak hours lol)
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the most probable time you'll playing online was at nite, after dinner. at that time the speed was quite acceptable.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ May 18 2006, 06:26 PM)
the most probable time you'll playing online was at nite, after dinner. at that time the speed was quite acceptable.
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depends,sometimes it lags at that time too.But most of the time it doesnt.

The perfect time is at morning,everything is smooth during weekend mornings.Cant say the same for noon.
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post May 18 2006, 06:46 PM

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well xbox live or ps3 live or wii live tongue.gif wtv
still good to play around the world,using ORI games laugh.gif

no point of flamin or exploding or shiz.And anyway dont want slow speed get an Airport extreme from apple 54MBPS beats the hell out of uk broadband laugh.gif

hopefully one day i'll get it.Airport...EXTREME!!!
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i heard that Nin wii can play Snes ,Nes , Sega saturn games????? shocking.gif unsure.gif
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post May 19 2006, 07:02 AM

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yup..... smile.gif biggrin.gif
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Haha definitely cool. It seems Nintendo definitely has a chance to make a mark on this console war.
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how would that work?
with the new controller and all...
would be weird using the remote as the controller to play old games..and not being able to use the "pointer",unless playing shooting games biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ May 19 2006, 10:19 AM)
how would that work?
with the new controller and all...
would be weird using the remote as the controller to play old games..and not being able to use the "pointer",unless playing shooting games biggrin.gif
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That's when you have to er, get the "shell" for the Wiimote - the one that looks like a traditional controller. Barring that, just use the GameCube one - they work.
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post May 19 2006, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ May 19 2006, 10:19 AM)
how would that work?
with the new controller and all...
would be weird using the remote as the controller to play old games..and not being able to use the "pointer",unless playing shooting games biggrin.gif
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there is the shell and the Gamecube controller mentioned above. smile.gif not all wii games will have you swinging your arms. iinm SSB:B will take the normal approach controllerwise
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ May 19 2006, 10:19 AM)
how would that work?
with the new controller and all...
would be weird using the remote as the controller to play old games..and not being able to use the "pointer",unless playing shooting games biggrin.gif
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use the Classic Controller, you even can play it with the Wiimote, hold it sideway like an NES controller.

Classic Controller

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