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strongbaby
post May 31 2006, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(neotv @ May 13 2006, 11:47 AM)
i think it will cost more to register and maintain a sdn bhd...
at least 5k right...
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Lesser than that. 2500 can does everything in proper.

QUOTE(mizie @ May 13 2006, 07:07 PM)
to register a sdm bhd u need at least rm2500, and yearly payment for company secretary around rm1k.
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Yes, secretary company fees is the payment to clear your headache acting
like panadol.

QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ May 13 2006, 09:30 PM)
if im not mistaken for SDN BHD the minimum paid capital is RM50k or RM100k... and maximum RM500k

meaning u need to have that amount of cash first in bank, then only can open a SDN BHD...

Im not sure about the amount but its definately much more than RM10k

and you need at least named 2 person as director...
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2 directors or more, you can have 500 to open up a S/B co.

QUOTE(badawi_rocks @ May 14 2006, 07:55 AM)
You are very very much mistaken.  Ever heard of RM2 companies?

The minimum paid up capital for a Sdn Bhd is RM2.  Each director subscribes to 1 RM1 share each.  Generally, people form a company as an RM2 company with *authorised* capital of RM100k, and then gradually pump money into it.  The cost of setting up a Sdn Bhd company would vary depending on who you engage to set it up for you, but would be around the RM2200 figure.
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That's right, any tom d*** and harry can open up a S/B co with as little as RM2.


QUOTE(etsuko @ May 14 2006, 12:25 PM)
Then i dun get it, why are Enterprise or Sole Proprietor companies so much cheaper..?

Don't they have to pay for auditing and secretarial services as well..? rclxub.gif
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S/B, every year you must do auditing on your accounts, get company sec to do for you.

Enterprise company, everything is at you own, but you must renew your business license every year. for S/B, you dont have to renew yearly.

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post May 31 2006, 01:24 AM

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by far the best informative one I've read thus far. rclxms.gif

but i got a continuing question regarding the enterprise.

yearly accounting or auditing that one how..? what's there to be done..? who should do it or can do it for you..?


Accounting and auditing is different things when you run your business.

Accounting consists of those typical debit/credit entries of transaction for your daily business.

Auditing is to audit your whole year accounts transaction when the time come.

To Audit your accounts, hire auditors from accounting firms.
price range from 1K to many K. depends how big is your transaction.

Accounting, you can do it yourself, just get a accounting software and start learning.
if not, hire a part timer to do it for you... price range from 200 to 1k.


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post May 31 2006, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(eivan120 @ May 15 2006, 08:11 PM)
I got question: Sdn Bhd, since the owner n the company r 2 separate entity, if the co is closing down n after sell off everything still have debts, then how?
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after close, sell off everything, got debts? either you leave it and go hide yourself
or go to your sec.company to wind up your company.

QUOTE(neotv @ May 15 2006, 08:39 PM)
another question related.  If the debt does not follow the director... then people would open company.... take loan or get loan by using the company.. Then that company declare bancrupt... then how huh...
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QUOTE(cchiuyi @ May 15 2006, 11:43 PM)
when you apply for a loan, the participating organization will perform a check on your compnay and the shareholders. they would perform a credit report check. if you credit report is healthy then they will approve the loan.

if your company is "predicted"  to not capable of returning, then they would obviously reject the loan application.

if things are like what you said, the world are gonna get screwed up badly.
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Apply loan from company, of course one of the directors must take sole responsibility of it. even if you windup your company and declare unable to payback loans to bankers, there is a catch after all. facing legal questions.
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post May 31 2006, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(Nickyc @ May 30 2006, 06:00 PM)
Actually dude what kind of business are you in? Maybe if we know what your forte is in then you'd have a chance of getting a good answer.....

Like myself I'm doing creative stuff, graphic design / DJing / music production / events management... I did set up an enterprise but it was too hard to get business and work done o my own... So eventually I started a Sdn. Bhd. with two other partners.

PAVI - A sdn. bhd. needs a minimum of 2 shareholders and cannot be publicly listed... which means that the public cannot buy your shares in the share market.
A berhad however can be listed in the stock exchange but needs something like 10 partners... not sure excactly how many.... If you have a business that is generating 'that much money' and is a good service/product that the public might consider investing in, then berhad is the way to go. hope that helps.
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Enterprise or S/B, its just a 'branded' name that appears to some people
who really fancy it.

some people dont like to deal with enterprises, its sounds cheap the name.

some people like to deal with S/B company, got standard.

Bhd co, like nickyc said, if your company able to generate at least 45 millions above, then you can start consider get your company listed to BHD.


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post May 31 2006, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(etsuko @ May 31 2006, 10:09 PM)
Is it true if I had a Sdn Bhd and any legal disputes were to be brought up, I'll only be sued for all assets of my company and not personal assets like my house or my car and etc..?

Actually, could I get a rough idea of what kinda assets that could be liquidated or be claimed when bankrupt later or if someone sued until there isn't money left? smile.gif Thanks.
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In case if you wanna know about bankruptcy issue, you can click
on this thread below i started at real word issue section.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=292951



QUOTE(etsuko @ May 31 2006, 10:27 PM)
I was reading quite a few articles provided at ReadyCompanies.com (didn't like the idea of the Registered Office being there though) and I noticed for a Sdb Bhd the expenses goes something like this.

Fees paid annually:
- company tax
- auditing
- company license

Fees paid monthly:
- secretarial fees

I know I'm missing a few others, anyone can help me out here? Thanks.
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Doesnt matter if HERO VENTURES is located at sentul or whereever.
in fact, i get my company done through them couple of years ago.

yes, that's right the monthly fees you have to pay, but normally they will bill you
yearly in that, costing about RM800 yearly.

the annually fees which covers audit, taxes, company license about
RM1200 to RM2K above.

dont worry, they got despatch boy to deliver documents to you, so you dont
have to walk in there everytime you require them to do something. just call them.

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post May 31 2006, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(PhibeRoptiC @ May 31 2006, 10:22 PM)
that mean if every single thing u buy if u're name it under your company name u'll escape from paying too much for personal income tax right?..one of the loop-hole we can find
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somehow, you are right about this. get anything assets, cars under company name registration. everything borne by company.

you buy cars with company profits can lessen your income tax already.
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post Jun 1 2006, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(AnimeAsia @ Jun 1 2006, 12:32 AM)
Any experts can answer my question before? Plus is it a must that a sole proprietor have to submit their accounts? A sole proprietor need to register for a separate income tax?
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QUOTE(AnimeAsia @ Jun 1 2006, 10:33 AM)
I know that sole proprietor doesn't need their accounts to be audited, but are they required to hand in the accounts?

So you're saying we don't have to apply for 2nd income tax for the sole proprietor business?
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no need to submit tax for your sole company.
my friend runs sole company and went to LHDN to apply for tax file, and guess what, he became a laughing stock.... lol

you yourself must submit tax in personal.
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post Jun 2 2006, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(AnimeAsia @ Jun 1 2006, 05:02 PM)
Got it. How about non-audited accounts? Let's say we are earning money from sole proprietor, don't we have to let SSM/whichever relevant authority know about it? Or we don't have to let them know?  rclxub.gif

When a Sdn. Bhd. needs to close down, they'll have to post on newspapers and many other procedures. What about sole proprietor then? What needs to be done to convert a sole proprietor to Sdn. Bhd.?
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Non audited accounts, in fact from what i see, hundred or many of sole companies
only get their accounts book done properly, dont have to audit.

but say, if your business gross one million above, you better convert to s/b.

when s/b close down, you can see the ads in paper everyday after court judgment.

process can take up to 6 months when you apply for company wind-up.

get any secretary company to do or legal company to do.

for conversion, as usual, go to secretary company...not much hassle, just sign up some papers and pay them.


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post Jun 3 2006, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(tweak @ Jun 3 2006, 11:30 AM)
so, to start an enterprise where can we do our registraration? who we can inquire the correct information?
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There are plenty of it by flipping through yellow pages directory.

if not, just go ahead to The Mall, next to PWTC, cant remember which floor...2nd or 3rd or 4th floor. there are plenty of agency there...not to mention, the touts are there too.
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post Jun 11 2006, 10:35 PM

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So can anyone specify the possible figure in detail for setting up enterprise...
for example:
1. registration fee - ????
2. Annual setup fee - ?????
3. Accountant's fee - ????
4. any other type of fee - ????

I would be interested to know also, how to setup a website to sell services...legally not the illegal type..thanx



1: RM150 will does all for sole co. / RM2300-2500 for new sdn bhd co.

2: Renewal fee of RM25 required for sole co. no fees for sdn bhd.

3: Accountants fee - depends on your company transaction of business.
just hire a part time account fella to file up your accounts.

4: auditors fees for sdn bhd. secretarial fees. range from RM1000 to 20K, 30K.



i believe those question and answers are provided in previous postings.


 

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