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post Mar 5 2007, 11:54 AM

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hmm i dont think this game needs like a more power gpu rather it would require a lot of Graphic ram.

reason was playing it with my setup and friends 7900GT 512mb gt extreme
no difference in gaming at 1440x900. Pretty smooth all out.
But when my bro is aussie tried with his 7900gs 256mb.. he told me it was unplayable when a lot of units..

Max units i have so far played 6300 units...no problem.
this game is definitely needs a lot of GPU ram rather than CPU or GPU power.
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post Mar 5 2007, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(psyhun @ Mar 5 2007, 11:57 AM)
Has anyone tried running this game in a SLI (dual or quad) setup?........
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err me...
no difference.
but that was gaming at 1440x900 since i sold my dell 2407.

but judging from previous games that dont support sli..
usually at high reso only sli will beat single card.



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post Mar 5 2007, 08:05 PM

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again
i checked temp monitor on my graphic card after 4 hours of play

still like idle only.like gpu hardly used. Even quake4 makes my temps go really high.

conclusion
either the 8800gtx card is just too freaking powerful
or my best bet this game is not about graphic power but rather u just need a lot of video ram.


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post Mar 5 2007, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Mar 5 2007, 08:28 PM)
i think u need more CPU power as maybe mine was the cpu bottleneck. cos many units, physics, shadows need to be processed. cos if it is regarding video ram, mine shouldnt have any problem to play on moderate to high settings. even FPS games dont lag so much on my rig. lol...
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hmm possibly since it was tested with a 7900gt extreme 512mb with e6600 on stock.

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post Mar 6 2007, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(toughnut @ Mar 6 2007, 09:48 AM)
for this game, CPU>>>GPU !!! i wish i have a dual core cpu cry.gif
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hmm actuall was talking about this game yesterday to a few friends
we all came to a conclusions

yup definately u need more than one core and more ram on ure graphic card
u DONT need a faster GPU.

cause mine was hardly hot when playing this game compared to so many fps out there.


Added on March 6, 2007, 10:32 am
QUOTE(Axuel @ Mar 6 2007, 09:36 AM)
@cstkl1
Hi, are u using 8800gtx to play supreme commander? O.o  How much is ur GC cost? Mine is 7600, but i hvn't install yet. Hearing all those comments from player really makes me shocking, so darn high requirement.
My PC is E6300 18ghz c2d, 1gb ram and 7600gt. Do u think i can play well under medium settings with over 100 units? I plan to set the shadow details to the lowest. Thanks for commenting.
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should be no problem.
also this game is not even ram intensive
uses about 300mb to 400mb with everything at max

also i am using 8800gtx sli
but no diff using one card and two card as it doesnt support sli.

tested just now at stock speed cpu.
fine.

so definately u can play.
if it cant overclock ure cpu.


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QUOTE(Axuel @ Mar 6 2007, 12:40 PM)
@cstkl1
  Thanks for replying me smile.gif  Btw, wat is "if it cant overclock ure cpu"? I don't really understand that sweat.gif  Oh ya, if hving 2 graphics card, issit act as one graphic card? I mean like 2 become 1 so imrpove gaming performance TWICE? Or improve a lot? Cuz i'm quite new with these "2 graphics card in 1 motherboard".  Btw, wat details are u playing at? Do u usually hv more than 100 or 200 or above units? Just curious to know tongue.gif  Thanks for replying.

@fujkenasai
Ok sure, i will tell u about the resolution result when i get my hands on supcom biggrin.gif  But need at least until wednesday cuz the shop no more stocks T.T  Special edition DVD? Wat does it contain inside it? I don't need the poster tongue.gif  Can pls tell me as well? Thanks.


Added on March 6, 2007, 12:44 pm@psyhun
Oic, the bonus dvd just hv game details? Thanks for the information smile.gif
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maximum units i played with cheat hack just to test graphics

400+bombers 400+interceptors 500+tanks 400+mobile air unit.
havent had the time to really play the game.
everything at high with force 16aa 16as.
all at 1440x900. By this weekend will have a new benq 24inch or a dell 30inch
so till then will post how gameplay is at higher reso.

sli doesnt mean 2 times the performance.
this game doesnt support sli.
usually for games that doesnt support sli difference will be noticeable at crazy resolution with everything high 1900x1200 above.
fraps counter on this game not true.. so cant use fraps its like it hit a limit of 60fps all the time.

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Mar 6 2007, 04:34 PM)
I thought you can only have 1000 unit cap?

Enjoy your LCD.
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no
hehehe
hack the file.

and also with some whack trainer which gives me unlimited amount of mass.
hmm today need to layan gf
wait till end of this week or early next week
will show u all the units
and post a screen shot.

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post Mar 7 2007, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(Ahmike @ Mar 7 2007, 12:21 AM)
Check out this article on SupCom Retail version..
8800 GTX also suffering.

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=620&p=8
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i am really wondering how is this so.
cause i am the living proof it works with 1440x900 with everything max.
so far no lag at all.
fps counter using fraps is always at 60fps.

hmm maybe i havent gone to the bigger map or is it because i am running on a overclock cpu 24/7
or he is playing at a crazy reso??
i just off the sli and tried
again no difference.

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post Mar 7 2007, 01:52 AM

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ok i ran at stock
reinstall the whole game.


E6600 2.4ghz Stock
Video Settings Max at Video Options
Running at 1440x900
Single 8800Gtx (Stock)
Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC-8000 @ 1000mhz CL5 @ 2.2vdimm (Stock)


Validate
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yup
problems
will post all the pics of just 300+ units already a bit problem

no dude i game usually at 3.5ghz(3.6ghz i have to overvolt at 1.4vcore while 3.5 still at 1.35 max stock vcore) with the 8800gtx SLI at 600,1100ghz and ram at 1000 CL4 @ 2.2vdimm

Running Fraps Counter on the Left

Take Note Some Picture Quality Suffered from Converting from Bitmap To Jpeg


1.Options
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2.Video Options
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3.Start Menu
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4.Briefing
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5.Initializing
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6.Portal Exit
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7.Game on
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8.Zoom Out
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9.Being Attacked
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10.Being Attacked Zoom In
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11.Bombers of Death
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12.211 Bombers
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13.Bombers Zoom In
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14.266 Bombers
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15.Bombers Zoom Out
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16.Bombers Attack Zoom Out
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17.Bombers Attack Zoom In
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18.First Base Obliterated
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19.Second Base Obliterated Zoom In
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20.346 Bombers
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21.Kill Everthing That Moves on the Ground
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22.Bombers Protect
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23.Bombers Patrol Zoom
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24.Bombers Patrol Zoom 2
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25.Building Line Of defense Zoom
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26.Move Out Rescue Unit Zoom Out
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Conclusion... this suxs!!!


P.s. Sorry for some of the screen shot as was playing pretty fast. I am sure u notice i just built the bombers and just start bombing everything and kept on building bombers with two factories. Used a trainer for instant build

Hmm will be completing my rig soon with a qx6700 and might be getting a x6800 for testing. will then sell either one of this proc for a very low price.
So interesting how this game will go.

To Compare and see whether ure game is up for this.

type in ure shortcut

"C:\Program Files\Gas Powered Games\Supreme Commander\bin\SupremeCommander.exe" /map perftest

this will run a 6 min game play test

and there will be a file \Gas Powered Games\Supreme Commander\bin\*-perftest.log

this is mine

Score 11831 with everything on on max with 8aa ...gaming at 1440x900

FPS ......................................: calls[ 11831] min[ 5.93] max[ 77.88] avg[ 36.683]

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QUOTE(Axuel @ Mar 7 2007, 08:34 AM)
@cstkl1
  Hi dude, just wondering how do u get ur validate column that one? With ur specs inside all those. Oh ya, ur processor running at 2.4ghz tat one, issit overclocked? Or u really bought th 2.4ghz? Wah, really? U planning to get a quad core? How much is the price? Btw, just wanna know, is there really a big difference between resolution 1024 and higher than 1024? Thanks for telling biggrin.gif Ur rig really nice.
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well will test x6800 and qx6700 when i get the stock.
hopefully this week or next week.

leaning to x6800 because cooler

will sell the qx6700 under 3k.
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QUOTE(Axuel @ Mar 7 2007, 08:34 AM)
@cstkl1
  Hi dude, just wondering how do u get ur validate column that one? With ur specs inside all those. Oh ya, ur processor running at 2.4ghz tat one, issit overclocked? Or u really bought th 2.4ghz? Wah, really? U planning to get a quad core? How much is the price? Btw, just wanna know, is there really a big difference between resolution 1024 and higher than 1024? Thanks for telling biggrin.gif Ur rig really nice.
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higher res. more detail.. more processing power needed by cpu and gpu.


hmm still wondering how to slaughter this game.

the prometia mach 2 i had to put on hold.
heard that running phase cooling unit in malaysia high chance of condensation.

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post Mar 7 2007, 05:43 PM

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previous score

E6600 at 2.4(stock)
Crucial PC2-8000 1000mhz 2.2vdimm 5-5-5-15 2T(Stock)
Single 8800Gtx 575/900 (Stock)


Logged frames : 11831
Timestamp : Wed Mar 07 04:10:34 2007

SupComMark (sim) : 0.0
SupComMark (render) : 29.7
SupComMark (composite) : 29.7

(Note: SupComMark scores represent overall system performance. Lower is better.)



Frame
Time .....................................: calls[ 11831] min[ 12.84] max[ 168.50] avg[ 36.418]
FPS ......................................: calls[ 11831] min[ 5.93] max[ 77.88] avg[ 36.683]

Everything at video options max vsnyc on and aa at 8x

E6600 at 3375ghz ( 1.30vdimm) (afternoon kindda hot)
Crucial PC2-8000 1000mhz 2.2vdimm 4-3-3-8 2T
Single 8800Gtx 575/900(stock)


Logged frames : 16096
Timestamp : Wed Mar 07 13:23:14 2007

SupComMark (sim) : 0.0
SupComMark (render) : 12.2
SupComMark (composite) : 12.2

(Note: SupComMark scores represent overall system performance. Lower is better.)

Frame
Time .....................................: calls[ 16096] min[ 12.78] max[ 125.51] avg[ 27.123]
FPS ......................................: calls[ 16096] min[ 7.97] max[ 78.22] avg[ 44.886]

So little Difference.
How fast is this

aquamark score : 189132
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Conclusion this game is crazy.
Managed to more than half the supcommark. and fps not much difference

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QUOTE(Ahmike @ Mar 7 2007, 09:50 PM)
cstkl1 bro... so the link i gave is the same conclusion ???
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yup
this game is overkill
i didnt realize it because usually my friend with the 7900gt extreme games at 3.6ghz
and i game at 3.5ghz
also i thought fraps was not working. doh.gif

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hmm weird. just got my benq 24inch.

fps still same??
as 1440x900.. gamin still same.

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dude nice reply in the forum
actually made me laugh out loud with the singapore comment

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post Mar 20 2007, 11:05 AM

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well as i have been saying.
this game u need to overclock to minimum 3.2ghz to game for c2d
any 7900 or 1900 card would do.
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hmm so far i think playable at 1440x900 reso.
anything above his even if god came and gave us the holy proc and graphic card still no good at max.
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QUOTE(H@H@ @ Mar 29 2007, 11:27 AM)
Dude, no PC in the world today can handle a 4v4 battle! Its unthinkable!!!

That being said, maybe I should check out Clutch again. Last time I went there was when it just opened and it had a really crappy selection of games.
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hmm actually can.

overclock to ure cpu to 3.6ghz with 400fsb atleast with a 8800gtx.

playable.
one thing i note about supreme commander.
sometime the lag is not about how many units rather than what unit type.
the `100 heavy gunship lags more than 300 bombers.


Added on April 1, 2007, 2:38 pm
QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Apr 1 2007, 02:42 AM)
I just came back from Western Australia LAN(WALAN) just not and I saw some people playing 3 v 3 for sup com just now so I just went and asked them what specs was one of the guys running the game on he told me he was running it on all high specs with an AMD duo core and 7900gt SLI. It was smooth though they had the settings for the game on variable and the were playing it on average 2+ speeds. Some of the players were also on normal laptops(not alien  ware stuff).

So I guess you do not really need a 8800GT SLI with Core2 duo extreme to run the game smooth for sup com.
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supreme commander does not support sli. no diff.
the game is always like that in the beggining.
u should have waited till the end..

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Apr 2 2007, 02:07 AM)
I doubt u really need a 8800gtx for max performance as I mentioned earlier that a 7900gt can run everything to the max.

Yeah cause those heavy gunships have more abilities than 300 bombers like hoovering and stuff and those takes up more comp resources.

ok so not the sli but a 7900 is good enuf I recon.

I do not quite understand your statement you mean in the beggining it does not lag but it only starts to lag towards the end where you have like 300-400 units?

Well to answer to that statement I was watching the whole game and it was through all out and that speed tweak was through out the game. Id say the game speed does influence the game performance.
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what i meant is when everybody is using tech 3 units...at the end of the skirmish..
to zoom out is suicidal.
testing later gaming at 3.2 400x8, c2d, 4gb ddr2 800, 8800gts 640 at 1600x1024, everything at high.
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QUOTE(ianho @ Apr 19 2007, 09:59 AM)
Any 1 here tried playing the game on dual screens? I tried coz I want the tactical map on my small 20" monitor n the main game on the 30" monitor.  Blardy frustrating, the game loads up, tactical map appears for a fraction of a second on the 20", main game on the 30" n then kablam! Game crashes.  If I oni play single monitor on the 30" then no probs at all.
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ok usually u have to reload the game but i think u tried that

weir i am running 24inch and 20 for that game... perfect..
but again dont see y u need a second screen... u zoom out faster with the 30 inch since its so freaking big..
to know whether ure second screen ok
when u start the game in the menu option did u get the supreme commander wallpaper on the second screen??
also ure prob quite similar what i had..

first i used the native reso of the 20 to run..
changed the video options for both
and then reboot the game
and then start a campaign to make sure everything was fine
and then exited to menu
and then changed the primary monitor reso higher..

works like a charm


Added on April 20, 2007, 4:49 pm
QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 12 2007, 10:22 PM)
stupid? well they certainly can give a few surprises.

i've seen people being taken down by AIs.

on the other hand i've tested the AI and it seems that the more time you give them, they'll sometimes be overwhelmingly strong.

and yeah, T3 Nuke Missile will not work on AI. in fact it won't work on anyone as long as there's T3 missile defence.

the only way to advantage is to get the T3 missile first, if not then it's a real waste.
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ai so easy to defeat..
start the game with one FACTORY air.. the best
build like 8 engineers quick
then use 4 pairs to build everything
2 pairs on power and mass
2 pairs on defence and shield
and command unit on upgrade of factory
i usually take aeon... fattboy rulezzz
then use the below setup on each mass...
also good idea to mix that setup with sone tech 2 cannons..
tech 3 cannons waste of time.. keke with the later 4 silos coming up..
once u reach tech 3.. time build an army of engineers
use ure tech 1 engineers and let them scout the map.

hahah nope it works for me

4 silos... 5 engineers on each...kekeke on assist
make sure u have loads of mass for this
then when all of them reach max 5 misselles.. even god cannot stop me..
use the group button for all the silos and fire away..
first 4 launch one will get true
second launch bye bye commander..
usually very easy to tell where the commander is.. he will be where the campaign started in the first place...
if ure being hard push then think of the missile as a storage.. so after u have 5 misselles on each silo keep building another silo.. with 5 engineers assist minimum
once u reach 4.. again even the gods cannot stop that



still the best defence.. almost unbeatable.... put a mass extractor then surround that with sam. then do a quad shield on each side.. and the 4 empty spaces put a fatt boy on each...... takes a lot to bring this combo down...
i LOVE FATT BOY...return of fire is so fast... range is superbly long...

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