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Investment LOAN approved - 60% from income?, different from one third? anyone?

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Fat3Twister
post Jul 9 2013, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(ProperTYcoon @ Jul 8 2013, 09:38 AM)
bring back income means after deduction of your commitment.

eg

income 5000 - (500 car loan) = 4500 x 60% =
2700 (Monthly Installment)
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bring back income/take home pay/net income means the salary net of mandatory deductions such as epf, socso, pcb etc.

Whereas those after deducting your monthly commitment can be considered as disposable income.
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post Jul 9 2013, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 8 2013, 01:43 AM)
i tot ts was talking about housing loan.

it was 30% for many years, then sometime 2006-2010, banks cud do 50% or higher. not anymore, i think.

as someone already explained, total housing, car, personal, credit card can be 60-70%.

so if 70% hutang, gross 5k, net 4.5k, pay debt 3.5k, left 1k - 2 nights with yr darling habis la...!!

seriously, i have no idea how some people can live with so much debt...
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QUOTE(phengeon @ Jul 8 2013, 10:22 AM)
Ya I used to confused w dat too. But ur explanation make it very clear now wink.gif so

The rule of thumb 30% is for HOUSING loan alone
70% is referring to TOTAL debt include housing loan, car loan so on.

Correct?
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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Jul 8 2013, 10:35 AM)
Yes, that is correct. 30% is the rule of thumb for housing loan itself.
70% is the normal limit of total debt including housing loan, car loan and so on.

But again, it depends on case to case, and there are cases where people can drive it to even 100%!!! It totally depends on what you have.
For example, if one is planning to buy at RM1mil house and wants to take a RM900k loan. By taking this loan, his monthly commitment will be 100% of his gross income. If he can produce supporting documents that he has a RM2mil fixed deposit locked in for 5 years with the lending bank, the loan will be approved.
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I think the rule of thumb mentioned here is not the banks' guidelines, the banks are looking at total commitment and there is a bank's guideline which allows 80% commitment.

The 30% rule of thumb might come from somebody's opinion on personal finance.
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post Jul 9 2013, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(ProperTYcoon @ Jul 8 2013, 02:27 PM)
Hi there, I don't think its about abusing. DIBS is about property developer selling their property at Future Price (Property Value + Total Interest)

People used to call it (Indian feeds the Angmo), so that doesn't make any difference but eventually these property are sometimes overpriced.

No doubt DIBS helped people who couldn't fork out High upfront payment, but they're actually paying for the Future Price.
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DIBS is a marketing gimmick, it's like you don't have to pay anything until completion to attract buyers especially investors which the interest's already factored into the selling price.


DIBS don't really help people who can't fork out high upfront payment as the interest is to be paid monthly on the loan disbursed which for property under construction, the loan amount is disbursed according to percentage of completion. It's the discount/rebate that matters.
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post Jul 10 2013, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(greenstuff @ Jul 9 2013, 09:15 AM)
Most DSR are measured with their income.
Below 5k-70%
5.1-8k-80%
8k above-85%

UOB bank lagi aggressive, if u have 1mil cash you could get 200%, HLB 150%. Means I earn RM100 I can loan for RM200, cool?

But I think lower DSR measurement can prevent speculation. Seriously I don't get it when ppl earn 5k and own 2-3 undercon properties but no saving
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If you are talking about high net worth customers or commercial customers, yes, it does happen.
But come back to common consumer clients, HLB's DSR guideline is at 70%.

I will appreciate if you are willing to share your source that most DSRs are measured with income.

As from my guidelines from few banks, I don't see that.
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post Jul 10 2013, 02:11 AM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Jul 9 2013, 09:48 AM)
Wow, interesting info. May I know your source of info? From what I understand, the DSR would heavily depend on additional supporting docs, and not the income. Thus, one can have RM8k nett income but DSR capped at a low level, 60% maybe, because there is no supporting docs such as fixed deposit statement, Amanah Saham...etc
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Yes, you are right. With additional supporting documents then one might get higher DSR. rclxms.gif
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post Jul 10 2013, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(SpeechLess11 @ Jul 9 2013, 06:51 PM)
hopefully government will come out with new policy to help first time buyer/ younger!

loan cap = lower and lower ( 60%)
property price = up and up ( average = 300k - 500k)

income 4k x 60% = 2400 - car loan 600 = 1800. mayb can get a low cost apartment with monthly installment 1800.

how to buy even pr1ma house.... icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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With RM1,800 monthly installment, 30 years tenure, your loan amount probably around RM360,000 which means the property is RM400,000. You still can get a quite decent property with that budget. nod.gif nod.gif

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post Jul 11 2013, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jul 10 2013, 07:44 AM)
area banks going to impose this 60% from nett income policy? I dont see it mentioned officially by bnm. or im missing something?
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Yes, it is.

QUOTE(ecin @ Jul 10 2013, 09:44 AM)
Just for sharing, recently there was a case I know customer abt 15K p mth, HLB allows for DSR 85%
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Yeah, it does happen. The 70% DSR is a guideline but there are exceptional cases as there are more factors to be considered.

For credit evaluation purpose, banks will look at 5Cs of the applicants, which are:-

Character - CCRIS, CTOS, to refer your payment records
Capacity - Capacity to repay to loan. DSR falls under here
Capital - Other supporting assets such as fd, shares, unit trusts, properties etc.
Condition - external factors such as market condition, employment, if you work in MNC for a long duration, you get a high score here
Collateral - the property if you are talking about housing loan

 

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