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 [WTA]Fiesta vs 208 vs Inspira vs Prius C, <RM90k car for Single late 20s male

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post Jul 7 2013, 12:00 AM

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I did not vote. As diff people have diff needs.. Its better for u to specify what you are looking for? What are more important for u? Safety? Size? Driving pleasure? Mod available? Maintenance? Fc?

mind you inspira is not cheap to maintain! (Dont you think it is a proton and cheap to maintain) smile.gif
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post Jul 8 2013, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 8 2013, 08:48 PM)
I was in your situation, between Fiesta and Inspira.

Although in the end I choose the Ford, but sometimes I see an Inspira on the road I wish I bought the Inspira instead.

But I know if I bought the Inspira, everytime I see a Fiesta on the road I will wish I bought a Fiesta.

It's a lose-lose situation  sad.gif In cantonese parlance, I'm very fan-jin 犯贱 blush.gif
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U made the right choice.. Inspira is a proton anyway
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post Jul 9 2013, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Jul 9 2013, 12:02 AM)
i actually drove my fren's fiesta 1.4 few times, stock handling wise quite good, very agile , but steering feel too light.
suspension quite stiff, even more bumpy after he changed to 205/45r16  sweat.gif  during high speed cornering time, dont know why the rear keep jumping, may b too light , i got no idea.

inspira stock wise , handling truly meant to be comfort. stock suspension setup too much body roll, but steering feel not bad due to hydraulic type power steering.

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U sure u are a fair non bias reviewer?
I prefer the fair and non bias reviewer ..
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post Jul 9 2013, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 9 2013, 12:53 AM)
shoo shoo....My car fully stock whistling.gif

Lucky I didn't buy Inspila, if I got one and join you guys TT....I sure broke like nobody's business  doh.gif

P/S: WTF his other car is an R8  icon_question.gif
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Talk so much syoik sendiri ah??
the fair and famous journalist also no comment pun...
mod what la. Lancer GL chassis always lack of something that is not describeable one..
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post Jul 13 2013, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 02:24 PM)
Late reply, just got back from site-job. This is to reply your Inspira vs Forte thread. There are things that could not be described here and would require you to try on the track to find out. Inspira and Lancer both using Multi-link but both are different quality and material. They are not the same, 1 from MMC and 1 from P1 Lotus.

Example, there are 2 metal bars from 2 different manufacturers, sizes could be similar but weight, solidity, etc different still. Understand?

When Perdana introduced, the Galant is allowed to be sold but it didn't get to sell anymore since Perdana introduced. People just don't think about Galant that is using the same platform as Perdana. They buy Perdana if can't afford Accord, Camry, Telstar or 626. This was before MMC being forced to cease operation in 1995 due to too poor sales in cars segment. Lancer is still alive today because it has what your Inspira doesn't have. This is fact, your Inspira is nothing close to Lancer other than physically the same. Whatever detune you say, in US, there is no such thing on the emission thingy. Seems like P1 protection forced our local MMC Lancer to be fitted with GL tuning so that they don't get to challenge Inspira sales.
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bro.. Can u stop crapping from ur own imagination ??
seriously.. Have u seen both lancer and inspira mapping? Do u know how to read that? Both binary matches even every single bit. And if u dont already know europe country roadtax is based on amount of carbon produce. And do u think a mass production car, the manufacturer will create multiple maps for multiple country? Its all about cost. And u telling its not relevent in emission control.. Please u have enuf pf crapping and imagination.. Further more have you physically own or seen the lower arm of an inspira? Yes I own one.. I did even look at the arm, its mitsubisho logo. Produce and manufacture by mitsubishi. Your perdana works 15 years back doesnt means it will be the same for inspira. U understand now? If you juz look and news and broucher dont make ur own assumption. And lancer GL (its call GLS) have the same chassis as Lancer GT. The difference is the suspension tuning only. Chassis is the same. Inspira differences is absorber and spring by proton. Get ur facts right before crapping like an expert. Its not even lotus. Yes is pure proton only. U go proton site. Its stated tune by proton not lotus. Antiroll bar is smaller in inspira compare GT. the tuning is diff. The amount of parts in the rear suspension is same. Mind you. Im not saying inspira Is same as GT. Just your fact and what you assume is all ur own opinion and stop acting like a pro. Even your idea about local parts.. You are just assuming base on ur idea of wira 1993. If you dont already know about manufacturig and how the reduce cost dont act like one. I guess till here u will know why ppl call you jaycraptor now.

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post Jul 13 2013, 03:10 PM

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Mr jayCraptor, I have the full list of the parts bought from mitsubishi. Yes I have access to the data. Not thru any website or what so ever. First hand access. And if u want to know the differences. No doubt workmanship cbu wins hands down. No question ask. And regarding ur claim that rear suspension lesser parts is pure ur own imagination. Its spring and absorbers and diff size antiroll bar. Both car are tune for different purpose. One is more towards sporty feel the other is towards comfort. It has nothing to do with chassis mr jaycraptor. And your so call many local parts. The local parts is way lesser than u can believe. Why GT is so mcuch more expensive then? Its purely tax.. Manufacturer is not stupid, to localize parts it include cost.. The quantity is not much hence orderig from mitsu would be saving compare to localize. And the engine and gearbox come assembled from mitsubishi japan (ur choice to believe or not). I wont let u know how I access the data (i might be in trouble for that). But u are seriously crapping without any fact. You do not know how manufacturer works out. U dunno anything about cost saving (in this casr localize parts). Please we have enuf of ur so call expert opinion

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post Jul 13 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(ah_fong @ Jul 13 2013, 03:13 PM)
lol !! i having the same situation with ts ! im considering inspira or cerato !!
but i think i gonna go for inspira !! lazy to type the reason la !! i bought the executive version 77k with -55 ncd
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Bro.. Not promoting inspira. But this guy know nothig but act like an expert. Really beh tahan.. Bare in mind, many mitsu parts but still its proton workmanship.
Mr craptor.. Juz an example. The headlight is even more expensive than a lancer one. Bcoz it comes with motor. Its a diff version from mitsubishi. IT cost 1700 per headlight. Even the new mitsu lancer is using hyundai mobis build headlamp d. Cheaper than from mitsu itself
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post Jul 13 2013, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 03:41 PM)
You are just trying to degrade the Lancer. If what you said is true, the Lancer will not be able to sell a single unit like Galant today. Don't try to create the false impression that the Inspira is exact clone of Lancer. The Inspira is a Lancer with P1 parts, ofcourse you can replace them anytime with Lancer parts. As for tuning, they are alll using the port and software, no problem using MMC diagnostic tools.

FYI, Wira also can share Lancer '94 parts, Iswara/Saga can share Lancer '81 parts, Perdana also can share Galant '94 parts, Perdana V6 can share with Eterna V6 parts. No problem because the mounting remain unchange.

If what you said true, wonder how come Inspira can't beat Lancer on racetrack where both are ori and unmodded? You want to prove which handling better, get 1 amateur to drive and take sharp turn at 100, 110, 120, 130, 140 and so on. Your Inspira will lose control before Lancer. If you are pro' you might be able use your drift skill to cover up but still if it's understeer, there's nothing you can do but wait for it to end before resume.
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Regarding ur claim there is no emission control in us. Please google vehicle emission control in usa. Www.epa.gov.

Yes. there are ppl still buying because one.. There are people like you whom knows nothing but simply make assumption.
Two. Some ppl wanted better after sales services
Three. Some ppl doesnt wan workmanship like proton
Four. There are naiive ppl like u! I given the real fact with the real data but u dun wan believe. In fact u belip all thosr crap u makeup urself.

And if u cant read? I repeat again. One is tune for comfort the other one for sports feel. English or u wan malay?

Can u can ask . Lancer comes conner with me. But u might says its unfair becoz mine comes with traction control while lancer gt malaysia dont whistling.gif

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post Jul 13 2013, 03:51 PM

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Im telling u the arm are from mitsu .. U are telling mr back I changed it.. whistling.gif
Inspira is a FF car.. U cant drift over the conners whistling.gif

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post Jul 13 2013, 04:02 PM

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Sorry Mr jaycraptor.. you really crap too much i really beh tahan ..

let me teach u how to see ..

here is a link of proton inspira part list ..
Inspira Parts


If you look at the parts ... 1234A567 (these are from mitsu)
proton parts number are PW123456

Example

655 [All] Suspension Arm Front RH 4013A280
699 [All] Vehicle Tool Bag PW582025 5.77


okay . now i search the same thing online for u


Online Parts

Now you can go thru the parts ur self.

Next i know you going to tell me SOMEONE CREATED THE PART LIST .. whistling.gif

I dont do asumption ... i read base on fact!

and i repeat .. inspira still a proton build quality .. but crap from you that the parts are localize.. shakehead.gif
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:08 PM

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Need further proof?
Got this from my free service
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They dont even bother to localize the air filter.. whistling.gif
This bloody thing they sell 149.

And you was saying localize lower arm? I change that over time!
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 04:12 PM)
nzh0920,
You took modified Inspira laptime vs NA Lancer? Look at your list, 1.6 Forte beats 2.0 Forte. What else, those are nothing more than unsorted category list. Is that the best lap time in the first place?

People talking about NA unmodified car vs category. You go and include turbocharged or tuned up variant together. Take NA category list before you come here and talk crap.

Koreans, they have moved further with dual VVT. You still stuck with single VVT?

K3nnYkl82,
Just the arm? How bout the rest then? People look into overall. FYI, the old Saga '06 I had, can still find hidden MMC logo on part of the car body.

What is the big deal? Inspira is not Lancer, enough brag and get back to real life.
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Bugger the whole list is there ... YOU ARE THE ONE TALKING ABOUT THE ARM PREVIOUSLY..
Go search how many PW parts there yourself ...
i didnt says 100% mitsu parts .. but mechanical wise almost .. because manufacture cost to manufacure a metal part isnt cheap if u do not know already.

We own inspira but we dont crap like you.

Again i repeat .. lots of mitsu parts..
refer to the list .. 1234A567 is mitsu parts .. PW123456 is proton parts .

and i repeat again workmanship is not as good as mitsu

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Again .. mr jaycraptor .. we talk base on fact .. not like u .. whenever ppl prove u wrong .u go twist ..
and i already said .. inspira is tune more to comfort while lancer is towards sporty .. its nothing to do with the chassis like what you crap.
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:25 PM

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He dun even know 4B10 n 11, 12 comes with dual VVTI. propably dunno what it is
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 04:32 PM)
Nice comparison. Wonder why Lancer can still sell if your Inspira is that close to Lancer technically. Just because of build workmanship, people willing to pay >RM20k extra to get Lancer 2.0EX/GT rather than lower grade Inspira 2.0 at RM93k? Like you for example, you can spend less than RM10k to get Lancer bumpers, badges, steering wheels, etc already.

Tell this to Lancer owners whether they agree with you.
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Eh
Juz now u crap differently one..
U says many localize part
Diff build quaility of the parts
Now turn your dirrextion lagi ah?

Mana ur localize part?
Mana ur lancer gl chassis claim?
Mana ur less parts in suspension systrm?

Lancer gt 125k
Inspira 86k 2.0E
Thats almost 40k
Yes I admit we cheapskate but the 40k doesnt worth thst to me..
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:42 PM

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Jaycraptor previous very proud tell ppl localize part a lot. Base on his experience with wira 1.6z
Then he claim suspension less some part that very hard to describe
Further claim no emission control crap in USA
Then claim build parts are of diff quality and material

Now agree with me diff is towards workmanship or after sales service!
Further more says I plan to tipu ppl with so call mitsu parts.... Sorry im not a fair journalist
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:52 PM

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Proton parts more expensive bcoz they buy from mitsu have to rebadge the package.. The sticker no need money ah? Handle the repackaging also require admin fees.. The more smart way juz buy from mitsu
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 04:54 PM)
Still wanted to spread lies here? Will check with those parts people and revert back to you. If any of your claim are false and proven you are with P1 marketing team spreading false lies to boost sales by saying 'Inspira techwise is same as Lancer', I will shoot you back kaw kaw. You don't mess with consumers. This will take time in order to get to them.
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No problem.. Juz make sure u come back!
and I like to shoot ppl who assume yet wanna convinse ppl his believe.. Mr journalist
Remember to check with proper part ppl.. Not ur cousin or neighbour or whom who work in proton (as a garbage collector. Or a toilet cleaner)

If im a proton sales man I wont show u the difference between proton inspira n lancer d.. Use ur brain la

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post Jul 13 2013, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(jayraptor @ Jul 13 2013, 05:14 PM)
Why not if the difference is not that serious? As long as the comparison is feasible towards the products and able to convince buyers, marketing staff allowed to post the details. Since the engine and gearbox are directly from Japan, can void the 2. Others, whether they are made in Japan, it is question mark.

nzh0920,
The kerb weight is imminent evidence of Lancer GL rather than GT. Still want to compare? It's a soft suspension. What else.
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See .. I show u the whole list yet u still dun wan believe! And claim I work with proton! GG. You can pm me. I can send you my name card. I work in IT company.

You know whats your problem? You created your own illusion. When ppl give u fact, you just dont want to accept. Coz you think you know cars more than any other ppl.

Kerb weight diff doesnt means chassis diff. Many other parts contribute to kerb weight
Suspension setup doesnt means chassis diff! You dont understand english isit?
Forte EX and forte SX. Kerb weight diff. Different chassis??
Duhhh
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post Jul 13 2013, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jul 13 2013, 05:27 PM)
I'm not sure others but I'm not just consumers.

I'm operate a Insurance Claim Collision Repair workshop in Ipoh.
Sometimes I do purchase Lancer parts to be installed on Inspira for my customers (they are the same, except the packaging) at a lower price than Proton counterparts.

Review to some comparisons below

Lancer GT
Door Front LH 5700A557 RM2,671.50
Suspension Arm Front LH 4013A009 RM561.89

Inspira
Door Front LH 5700A557 RM2,138.60
Suspension Arm Front LH 4013A279 RM809.53
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He @ jaycraptor will so says u are working for proton as well.
Apparently there are many proton salesman here telling lies

I claim my aircon compressor due to bearing got sound.




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post Jul 13 2013, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jul 13 2013, 06:01 PM)
He might be right, coz my family operate a Proton Edar 4S in Ipoh.  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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He can create facts base on his imagination..
We show fact with parts and figures he says we lies..

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