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post Sep 26 2014, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 26 2014, 04:14 PM)
Yeah, managed to find my receipt... looks like they will send back to US for warranty...
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that's good news smile.gif

it's good to know that we still have sellers who know their responsibilities and help customers willingly.


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post Sep 26 2014, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 26 2014, 08:58 PM)
Yeah, but the bad news is how unreliable SSD was.
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maybe it's just bad luck :/

QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 26 2014, 09:06 PM)
I will revert back to hard disk. I cannot risk another loss of data.
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regular data backup is always the best preventive measure for situations like this. it saved me from many troubles already. now, for work i always have two backup copies locally, the third copy on the cloud storage. (you can get free 10tb of space from weiyun.com. the speed is not bad)

it's really not about the reliability of hardware. most of the times i'm more concerned about my own carelessness and things like theft (laptops get stolen)
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post Sep 27 2014, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Sep 27 2014, 12:06 PM)
horns Looks like Samsung will release a new firmware for the 840 EVO to address the slow read speeds on older files on October 15:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8570/firmwar...on-october-15th
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thanks for the heads-up! they finally confirmed that it's 15 of october.

i am aware of the news and new firmware date for some times however previously it was like a rumor from a website that i was not familiar with smile.gif

QUOTE(mrbob @ Sep 27 2014, 06:04 PM)
Anyone started to see cheaper SSDs on the market yet?

Solid State Drive Price War Erupts Overseas
http://www.maximumpc.com/solid_state_drive...s_overseas_2014
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another good news indeed smile.gif
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post Sep 27 2014, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(piecez @ Sep 27 2014, 10:34 PM)
Then better I wait until the price drop in MY?  hmm.gif
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if you need one badly, get it now. if it's not that critical, you should wait.

QUOTE(hown @ Sep 27 2014, 10:49 PM)
sifu
still struggling between Plextor M6S and intel 520 , both priced at rm269 and rm290 respectively for 128/120GB

http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Plext...20GB/2225vs1934

Intel seems to be little outdated and slower , but with 5 years warranty.
what is your opinion?
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intel 530 is outdated but that doesn't mean it's bad. for me i will go for the one with longer warranty. (MYR 21.00 for additional 2 years of warranty)

the performance difference is not significant for common usage.
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post Sep 28 2014, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(hown @ Sep 27 2014, 11:27 PM)
the write speed is 300mbps for plextor compared to 150mbps for intel  ohmy.gif
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uh? marfccy is right. intel 530 is a performance drive. even in steady state i think it runs more than 300MB/s.
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post Sep 28 2014, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(hown @ Sep 28 2014, 12:35 AM)
http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Plext...20GB/2225vs1934
here writes average sequential Write Speed 129mb/s lol
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maybe they use incompressible data for the test. (a disadvantage of sandforce drive) however for common usage, i don't think it affects you much.
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post Sep 28 2014, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Sep 28 2014, 02:19 AM)
i tried the test, same results as per the user benchy sweat.gif

like you said, i dont see any difference for my normal usage

only in benchy is where it says its bad
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oh. it's very likely they use incompressible data in the tests.

out of curiosity i have tried mine also. http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/63944

something is not right. my desktop is a ufo that is 666% faster than the rest?!

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post Sep 28 2014, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Sep 28 2014, 09:52 AM)
wont this theoretically mean Macs are UFO too?

since they using faster PCIE based SSD laugh.gif
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haha when nvme ssd is here there will be an alien mothership in town.
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post Sep 29 2014, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Sep 29 2014, 11:04 AM)
I wonder recently got anyone bought the Kingston V300 SSD? Is it still using Toshiba nand?
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hm.. even if someone bought the drive they are very likely unable to answer your question. it involves a teardown of ssd that is likely to have its warranty void. i am not sure if there is a tool for you to check the exact nand flash type also.
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post Sep 29 2014, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Sep 29 2014, 02:19 PM)
Maybe they could just the SSD benchmark to run the read/write speed to find out is it have been stripped down? hmm.gif
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well.. as per kingston's previous explanations, they will likely to put in something that can run as fast as toshiba nand to meet the specs. benchmarking read/write speeds cannot prove that nand flash is from toshiba.
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post Sep 29 2014, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Sep 29 2014, 02:58 PM)
put in something? hmm.gif  hmmmmm...... I read an article that someone manage to decoded the batch serial number to identify the Kingston Nand is made by Micron or Intel or Toshiba.
Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-203...n-v300-ssd.html
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exactly. the codes mentioned are 'printed' on the flash chip.

that means you need to take the covers off and check the nand flash on the pcb board.

sources:
http://pc.zoznam.sk/kingston-ssdnow-v300-1...mna-cena?page=2
http://www.overclockers.ua/storage/ssd-kin...v300-120gb/all/
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post Sep 29 2014, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Sep 29 2014, 03:52 PM)
Oh man.. means we can't figure it out inside is it Toshiba Nand or not without purchase it and unscew it. doh.gif Any other way to work around how to figure it out? hmmm... hmm.gif
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yeah i think so.

manufacturers send (usually free) samples to reviewers for review purposes. maybe that's why they can do whatever they want, including super stress tests, and total teardown without worrying about warranty. if they are like us, buy stuff with hard-earned money, i don't think they are willing to do that also.

by the way, there are plenty of better options for you to choose from. why not just skip all the headache and pick others?
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post Sep 29 2014, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Sep 29 2014, 04:18 PM)
Problem is, I can't find some cheap SSD that is small capacity like around 80GB. Budget is RM160 and below.

Purpose is, I found an old HP mini 210 (2010 old of Netbook), I decided to swap it with SSD and try to stress test it and see how the performance. If no good, I can take the SSD and put into my another 2008 year old of Desktop that using by my dad which the HDD currently almost dead, he use to watch movie, so High capacity is not necessary for him or even me as well.

What is your solution for my case?
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ok. you should know that performance are different based on ssd capacity. (ssd with smaller capacity usually runs slower). the smallest kingston v300 ssd should be 60gb.

my solution.. top up 90 bucks, grab a 120gb ssd, and be happy. if the ssd i choose is intel 530, with 90 bucks i double up the capacity, and 2 additional years of warranty. at least if i am not happy with the performance, i am sure my dad will be more than happy biggrin.gif
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post Sep 29 2014, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Sep 29 2014, 04:52 PM)
Yeah, I was as told by another forumer TristanX that he said:
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RM250 is quite cheap too, somemore 5 year of warranty.
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uh? oh. yeah 120gb ssd's should be around that price range smile.gif

of all the options, imo intel 530 is a good deal. for common usage it is sufficient.

edit: wo. i stumbled upon this, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3273638 some one is kind enough to give it away for free.

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post Sep 29 2014, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Sep 29 2014, 05:49 PM)
Bro, got few more things I not quite understand. Certain SSD come with different thickness like 9.5mm or 7mm, so how do I know which fit my lappy or desktop? Desktop I know easy as there would be bracket for it. But laptop? hmmm hmm.gif

Edit: thread locked-down. looks suspicious. lol sweat.gif
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the best way to find out is check the thickness of the current hdd in your laptop. in general, 7mm fits just fine if you have a 9.5mm hdd. i use 7mm ssd's for my laptops also, even if the stock drive is 9.5mm thick. however, if the stock drive is only 7mm thick, 9.5mm ssd will not fit. there is no need to use any bracket.

haha maybe the donation was over.
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post Oct 2 2014, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Aivihc @ Oct 1 2014, 11:00 AM)
guys can recommend me 250/256 ssd? currently eyeing for samsung & plextor. my budget is around RM500.
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with that budget you should go for plextor m5pro 256gb. performance ssd, mlc chip, 5 years of warranty. MYR 499.00 at viewnet.


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post Oct 9 2014, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(hown @ Oct 9 2014, 08:33 PM)
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sifu.how come my plextor performance so bad? sad.gif
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that's a weird result. m6s is a decent drive and it shouldn't run at that low speed.

is your sata connector connected to intel port? check your mobo manual out. if it's not, switch it to intel's. by the way what's your crystal diskmark results?

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post Oct 10 2014, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(hown @ Oct 10 2014, 12:50 AM)
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CrystalDiskMark 3.0.3 x64 © 2007-2013 hiyohiyo
                          Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

          Sequential Read :  487.257 MB/s
          Sequential Write :  320.323 MB/s
        Random Read 512KB :  378.164 MB/s
        Random Write 512KB :  326.324 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB (QD=1) :    30.746 MB/s [  7506.2 IOPS]
  Random Write 4KB (QD=1) :    98.315 MB/s [ 24002.7 IOPS]
  Random Read 4KB (QD=32) :    21.871 MB/s [  5339.7 IOPS]
  Random Write 4KB (QD=32) :    50.303 MB/s [ 12280.9 IOPS]

  Test : 1000 MB [C: 36.2% (43.0/118.9 GB)] (x5)
  Date : 2014/10/10 0:49:02
    OS : Windows 8.1 Pro [6.3 Build 9600] (x64)
 

CrystalMark is normal.
I guess AS SSD is wrong. M6S is really working since my boot up time is appox 4 seconds  blush.gif
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yeah it seemed to be the case. maybe you should try some other apps also to verify if it's the 'problem' with as ssd.
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post Oct 10 2014, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 10 2014, 11:49 AM)
i upgraded from an Intel Gen2 160gb to a new Samsung 850 pro vnand ssd.

Here is the comparison results using the samsung benchmark tool

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Rapid mode creates wonders. However to be fair you should run both at raw speed. (Still, Sata2 drives surely lose to sata3 drives because of bandwidth limits)

How do you feel about your system is running now?

edit: it's not silly. that's part of ssd optimizations. (i bet you have turned the optimization features in magician on) ssd does drive optimization (especially garbage collection) when your machine is idle. turning it off means it cannot do that while you're away. probably to you it's a setback, but that's how things are properly done when using samsung's optimization tool.

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post Oct 12 2014, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(yu_wang @ Oct 11 2014, 01:56 PM)
The problem with that is while MX100 loses out in a few areas it's also much cheaper. Not the case here for whatever reason.

eugene88 Someone is selling MX100 in garage sales for RM400 wink.gif
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these benchmarks are superficial usually. they are good as reference but shouldn't treat them as absolute answers.

mx100 might not look good in several areas. however in terms of common usage, most of the times we cannot even differentiate the differences between performance and mainstream ssd's.

both are from well-known ssd builders. my pick in this case will be the cheapest one hehe.



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