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PC Audio Creative GigaWorks S750 7.1 speaker repair, A short guide and info with pictures...

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ROliveir P
post Jun 25 2020, 04:43 AM

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QUOTE(ROliveir @ Jun 24 2020, 09:41 PM)
Hi,

Q4 is shorted, is that enough to kill both rails?

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Never mind, had a look at the schematic.

No need to answer.

Thanks MichaelD!!!
MichalD
post Jun 25 2020, 04:53 AM

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Both 70V rails outputs are some kind interconnected in between and there is a "relationship" but i am not so skilled to judge.
MichalD
post Jun 25 2020, 04:54 AM

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QUOTE(ROliveir @ Jun 24 2020, 09:43 PM)
Never mind, had a look at the schematic.

No need to answer.

Thanks MichaelD!!!
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ROliveir P
post Jun 25 2020, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(MichalD @ Jun 24 2020, 09:54 PM)
Too late smile.gif
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Going to replace all of them, if this happened to one, can happen to the others.

https://www.digikey.pt/product-detail/en/vi...BPBF-ND/4437991

or

https://www.digikey.pt/product-detail/en/vi...0APBF-ND/812040

What would you recommend?

Going to replace the diodes also, is this a good replacement? Looking at the specs it looks like it, right?

https://www.digikey.pt/product-detail/en/vi...45GI-ND/2152878

Thanks for the help!


MichalD
post Jun 26 2020, 04:10 AM

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Hi,

for the IRF740 choose this https://www.digikey.pt/product-detail/en/vi...BPBF-ND/4437991
For the FEP16DT, yes it is suitable.

This post has been edited by MichalD: Jun 26 2020, 04:11 AM
ROliveir P
post Jun 26 2020, 06:27 AM

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QUOTE(MichalD @ Jun 25 2020, 09:10 PM)
Hi,

for the IRF740 choose this https://www.digikey.pt/product-detail/en/vi...BPBF-ND/4437991
For the FEP16DT, yes it is suitable.
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Thank you for the recomendations.

I'm going to modify and replace the heatsink of the PSU and both amp boards.
Going to connect the 3 boards directly to the backplate to better dissipate heat, also going to installl a temperature controled fan on the outside of the sub.
Is there any reason why I should't connect the 3 heatsink to the backplate?

All the voltage regulators, mosfet and diods are insulated thru the ceramic lumina, right?


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MichalD
post Jun 27 2020, 04:47 AM

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You need to make sure that the heatsinks are not electricaly conductive connected to each other, you need to use isolatng pdas as was in the original design.
And you need to disconnect L11 from voltage regulators/diode heatsing. Just remove L11 or make open circuit at one pin.

For the voltage regulators, mosfet and diodes, yes use the ceramic pads.
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post Jul 3 2020, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(MichalD @ Jun 26 2020, 09:47 PM)
You need to make sure that the heatsinks are not electricaly conductive connected to each other, you need to use isolatng pdas as was in the original design.
And you need to disconnect L11 from voltage regulators/diode heatsing. Just remove L11 or make open circuit at one pin.

For the voltage regulators, mosfet and diodes, yes use the ceramic pads.
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Hi MichalD,

I was starting the refurbish of the amp boards and I noticed something that I would like you to comment.

I always thought the RCA output on the back were center pin positive, but I see center pin negative.

On the output of the amp boards you have the pcb marking -+ but the connection for the sub are the other way around, is it just me or is this a fault? could explain why so many damaged subs

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MichalD
post Jul 3 2020, 02:07 PM

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Hello ROliveir,

i noticed this "issue" too but i think it is no problem because the output of the amp board is alternating signal thru 0 so it means that the polarity of red and black is fastly changing in between. So in one half cycle is red positive (towards to black) and black negative (towards to red) and in next half cycle is red negative (towards to black) and black postive (towards to red).
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QUOTE(MichalD @ Jul 3 2020, 07:07 AM)
Hello ROliveir,

i noticed this "issue" too but i think it is no problem because the output of the amp board is alternating signal thru 0 so it means that the polarity of red and black is fastly changing in between. So in one half cycle is red positive (towards to black) and black negative (towards to red) and in next half cycle is red negative (towards to black) and black postive (towards to red).
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Hi,

True, I always forget speakers are AC not DC, but I didn't mentioned the other issue I was thinking, phase shift, since they are wired the oposite way, the speakers can cancel part of the sub frequency.
I'll rewire everything the same way, thanks for the reminder.

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HI, can somebody tell me what is the part number of D9 and D12 diodes?
THX
MichalD
post Jul 14 2020, 01:44 PM

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Hi,

D9...1N4007
D12...MUR120

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QUOTE(MichalD @ Jul 14 2020, 01:44 PM)
Hi,

D9...1N4007
D12...MUR120
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My Creative GigaWorks G500 is almost dead, only sub and center channel are working and it has a whistling noise when turned on. I opened it up, and saw alot of bad caps and glue. Cleaned it up as best as I could, and ordered new RubyCon caps.
What are those marked in red? looks like they might be bad as well.
Should I replace those 2x CapXon 10000uF 35V on the power board as well? they look fine for now.


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post Dec 19 2020, 05:21 AM

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2020 Now, anyone?

In London someone can save my S750 sub ?

Would want someone who does the job properly, clean all the conductive glue etc...

Please whatsapp me 07576420234

Thank you!


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Hi,
First of all, well done on that upgrade.. Impressive!

May I ask a question perhaps you can assist me,

Do you know the STA575s to which channel they are allocated?

I'm almost sure that the board with two, controls the rear channel. I dont know which one, maybe you can tell me all the 5 of them.

Thanks in advance and happy holidays all.

Jonathan


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QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 05:24 PM)
Yep smile.gif the TOP243Y's blue caps are X7R and "glued" with transparent PCB lacquer. And now i am not affraid of high temperature, check following:

I have made a very comprehensive upgrades and repairs.
Backplate:

Whole subwoofer backplate with all electronics was dissasembled and the outside heatsing was removed too. Removed and cleaned all degraded glue and backplate was cleaned to aluminium gloss and all glue hard remants was grinded.
All pure aluminium heat conductive surface connections was filled with heat conductive paste and the edges was glued to prevent vibrations. Between outside black aluminium heatsink and the backplate was added heat conductive paste too.

New edge sealing and bass speaker sealing was applied.

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AMP boards, APB board and I/O board:

All electrolytic caps on amplifier boards and audio processing board was replaced by ELNA RFS Silmic II and bipolars was replaced by Nichicon MUSE.

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All factory glued connectors and PCB pins was replaced by new ones and all wire contact was crimped with new contact crimps.

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Audio processing board was separated from I/O board and soldered new contact pins and headers to make it detacheable. Input cable was removed and soldered
JST-XH 8 pin header and custom cable made for connection to PSU board. New custom made signal cable from audio processing board to amp boards used.
Almost all cables was tied together with cable ties. Removed all degraded glue from I/O board and I/O connectors was resoldered with fresh solder. Replaced all JST-VH conn headers.

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PSU board:

Replaced mains power switch and grid input connector with grounding pin connected to backplate with yellow/green wire.

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Replaced all electrolytic caps for high quality ones (Nichicon, Rubycon) and the most of ceramic caps.

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Replaced all TO220's aluminium oxide heat conductive pads (lot of them brokes when disassembled) with heat conductive paste. Custom made linear reg / diode heatsink, shape silmiliar to IRF740 heatsink. Custom made carrying L shape heatsink. Added ribbed heatsink for better heat dissipation. (ebay sourced)

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All heat sink connection surface filled with heat conductive pad sheet. All screwed together and screws was glued or transparent protective PCB lacquer lacquered to prevent unscrewing. The most important thing was connect the carrying L shape heatsink to backplate with heat conductive paste for best heat dissipation and tightened using 6 screws with self locking nut and the edges was glued.

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Part of PCB copper pad under heatsink connection near D13 was scraped off to make it unconductive to heatsink. Heatsink side of L11 near C20 was unsoldered
and heatshrinked and glued to PCB.

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This makes the heatsink conductive isolated from the power supply board and the mains grounding wire can be safely connected to backplate and now can fulfill its function.

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After this upgrade the heat dissipation is much more better than original which can guarantee much much longer lifespan. In the standby mode the outer heatsink
is hand touch cold. In power on and common use the backplate and heat sink after some time are hand touch warm but not hot (about 35-40°C).
For the even better heat dissipation the outside heatsink can be equipped with FAN which can lower the temperature to lukewarm if used low rpm and low noise FAN.

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Upgraded active cooling with 140mm low noise FAN less than 20dB at full rated speed.

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Wooden case:

Wooden case all internal edges was reiforced with new glue and after then whole case was damped with wadding filling. Bassreflex pipe was removed and newly glued.

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All inside

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After this case upgrade the bass are deeper and louder about 2-3 dB compared with the wooden case with no filling. Compared both with the same master volume
and SUB volume settings.
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Hi,
First of all, well done on that upgrade.. Impressive!

May I ask a question perhaps you can assist me,

Do you know the STA575s to which channel they are allocated?

I'm almost sure that the board with two, controls the rear channel. I dont know which one, maybe you can tell me all the 5 of them.

Thanks in advance and happy holidays all.

Jonathan

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QUOTE(MichalD @ Feb 9 2020, 01:07 PM)
Here are the detailed pictures of the same board as you have but this is with new caps.
MichalD,
I just noticed that you have all the replaced capacitors on the sound processing board at 85 degrees Celsius. Why didn't you bet on 105C?


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QUOTE(STREXNIN100 @ Jan 9 2021, 08:14 PM)
MichalD,
I just noticed that you have all the replaced capacitors on the sound processing board at 85 degrees Celsius. Why didn't you bet on 105C?
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Yes, I looked. These are good capacitors for audio equipment.
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Hi, can anyone help me by repairing Creative gigaworks s750 7.1 in Kuala Lumpur , Malaysia

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