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PC Audio Creative GigaWorks S750 7.1 speaker repair, A short guide and info with pictures...

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asenrzhang
post Mar 12 2017, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(golestani @ Mar 12 2017, 06:36 PM)
I forgot to ask can I use 250V 470uf for C60 cap or they all should be 200v only ?
higher voltage will help or its just not important ?
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It should be okay.
Just pay attention of size of the capacitor.
Usually it will be either taller (Height) or fatter (Dimension), so pick a same size & high ripple current & long life & genuine one could cost some time.
asenrzhang
post Mar 12 2017, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(golestani @ Mar 12 2017, 06:34 PM)
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and for the thing u said about how to fill the hole u make for wires to get into the sub-woofer box its really easy
u just need to use a drill to open a hole as much small as u can then after ur wires get enough into the hole
u can use glue to close the hole I already did it when I got my input power fuse and other par get die !
right now I have no power in socket on the back of the sub-woofer I put him out of the subwoofer and I use a glue and peace of wood to fill the back of the sub-woofer
WOW, is that really so easy? I'm more like a computer software guy rather than a hardware guy, drilling & gluing & wiring means it's hard to me bangwall.gif

QUOTE(golestani @ Mar 12 2017, 06:34 PM)
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and for sure the problem is hot box because I can't play
my s750 at high volume so it can cool down him self ! and I use it on 2 or 3 lights volume on the pod mostly so sub-woofer can't change the air in the box .
I think they use sub-woofer for changing the air not to bashing around smile.gif) 8" sub-woofer in the box biggrin.gif for ventilation biggrin.gif
but its only works when u constantly play a music with high volume at least 5 green lights on the volume bar on the pod biggrin.gif
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Usually, I stay with the default 4 (||||_ _ _) volume, and I didn't feel much heat in nowadays (I mean, winter/spring), but I do feel much heat in summer.

I guess music with low frequency may help the air flow across the box, you can feel the air flow at the inverted cube (the big hole on the left side). On the other hand, play low frequency music may cost more power, hence more heat are generated rclxub.gif .
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post Mar 18 2018, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 14 2018, 05:20 AM)
RELAY ISSUE (CONTROL POD RESETING) - SOLVED
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After this upgrade, I have tested the power supply on and off, hard power off (remove and plug again main power cable) and then power on, all this more than 100 times in a row and all the time every one attempt the power supply
powers on, with absolutely NO ONE relay clicking issue. Power suply was working properly. Measured with the oscilloscope and there were no power glitches at all.
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WOW! 100 times in a row and no 'clicking' issue, that is amazing!

By the way, did you glued the capacitors on the other side? I'm worried about they may be affected(loose) by vibration and heat.

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post Mar 21 2018, 02:44 AM

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What material are y.., How did you..., Wait, what? That's not just a comprehensive upgrade, THAT IS ALMOST A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION!!!

I feel my blood got boiling when I scroll down and seen more photoes biggrin.gif thumbup.gif


QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
Yep smile.gif the TOP243Y's blue caps are X7R and "glued" with transparent PCB lacquer. And now i am not affraid of high temperature, check following:

I have made a very comprehensive upgrades and repairs.
Backplate:

Whole subwoofer backplate with all electronics was dissasembled and the outside heatsing was removed too. Removed and cleaned all degraded glue and backplate was cleaned to aluminium gloss and all glue hard remants was grinded.
All pure aluminium heat conductive surface connections was filled with heat conductive paste and the edges was glued to prevent vibrations. Between outside black aluminium heatsink and the backplate was added heat conductive paste too.

New edge sealing was applied.
[attachmentid=9668880] [attachmentid=9668883]
Looks very nice, clean, elegant, and nice wiring.


QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
AMP boards, APB board and I/O board:

All electrolytic caps on amplifier boards and audio processing board was replaced by ELNA RFS Silmic II and bipolars was replaced by Nichicon MUSE.

[attachmentid=9668888] [attachmentid=9668887] [attachmentid=9668889]
Nichicon MUSE seems expensive than others, and this MF7010 subwoofer needs 32 of them.
Do you feel sound quality improvement after replacing these capacitors?

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
All factory glued connectors and PCB pins was replaced by new ones and all wire contact was crimped with new contact crimps.

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Does the color of wires between PSU board and APB board means something or it's just random color?

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
Audio processing board was separated from I/O board and soldered new contact pins and headers to make it detacheable. Input cable was removed and soldered
JST-XH 8 pin header and custom cable made for connection to PSU board. New custom made signal cable from audio processing board to amp boards used.
Almost all cables was tied together with cable ties. Removed all degraded glue from I/O board and I/O connectors was resoldered with fresh solder. Replaced all JST-VH conn headers.

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Again, Nice wiring!

Detachable wire, that will make life convenient.
And thanks for the model name of pin header (housing): XH (2.54mm). I may try to replace it too.

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
PSU board:

Replaced mains power switch and grid input connector with grounding pin connected to backplate with yellow/green wire.

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Can't believe you replaced the switch too.

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
Replaced all electrolytic caps for high quality ones (Nichicon, Rubycon) and the most of ceramic caps.

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There're two dark green stuff on top of each transfomer, What is that? And what are they used for?

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
Replaced all TO220's aluminium oxide heat conductive pads (lot of them brokes when disassembled) with heat conductive paste. Custom made linear reg / diode heatsink, shape silmiliar to IRF740 heatsink. Custom made carrying L shape heatsink. Added ribbed heatsink for better heat dissipation. (ebay sourced)

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How do you custom the heat sink (drilling), all by yourself, or bought from shop which provides customing service?

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
All heat sink connection surface filled with heat conductive pad sheet. All screwed together and screws was glued or transparent protective PCB lacquer lacquered to prevent unscrewing. The most important thing was connect the carrying L shape heatsink to backplate with heat conductive paste for best heat dissipation and tightened using 6 screws with self locking nut and the edges was glued.

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I see Nichicon GR series capacitors, which has longer life (10000 hours) than GX series (5000 hours), but I can't found a seller selling this one on local internet market (taobao).
Ripple current is slightly lower (1.4A) than GX series(1.55A), and a little bit taller (40mm) than orginal one (35mm), is that ok?

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
Part of PCB copper pad under heatsink connection near D13 was scraped off to make it unconductive to heatsink. Heatsink side of L11 near C20 was unsoldered
and heatshrinked and glued to PCB.

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Wait, L11 unsoldered? Only one leg connected to board? Does it work?

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
This makes the heatsink conductive isolated from the power supply board and the mains grounding wire can be safely connected to backplate and now can fulfill its function.

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After this upgrade the heat dissipation is much more better than original which can guarantee much much longer lifespan. In the standby mode the outer heatsink
is hand touch cold. In power on and common use the backplate and heat sink after some time are hand touch warm but not hot (about 35-40°C).
For the even better heat dissipation the outside heatsink can be equipped with FAN which can lower the temperature to lukewarm if used low rpm and low noise FAN.

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Working temperature when power on is around 35-40°C? That's a WOW!

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 18 2018, 11:24 PM)
Wooden case:

Wooden case all internal edges was reiforced with new glue and after then whole case was damped with wadding filling. Bassreflex pipe was removed and newly glued.

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After this case upgrade the bass are deeper and louder about 2-3 dB compared with the wooden case with no filling. Compared both with the same master volume
and SUB volume settings.
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I have no idea about 2-3dB louder, but that sounds good.

About the sound absorbing cotton, does it prevent fire? I mean, if, if there's a spark occured in it sometime for some reason, will it burn the box?





By the way, had you tried to replace those operational amplifier chips on APB boards? There're fourteen '072C' and one another on it. The guy whom I'm fixing for want those op-amps to be replaced too, but I don't know what I'm doing if replacing them, and I have no strong feelings that replacing op-amps will improve sound quality. Also, after read some posts, I known oscillation issue may occur after op-amps been replaced. Like I said, I don't know what I'm doing if replacing them.

This post has been edited by asenrzhang: Mar 30 2018, 05:33 PM
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post Apr 3 2018, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 29 2018, 03:43 AM)
Check the new photos i've added to my previous post
You're my hero! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 29 2018, 03:43 AM)
No problem, check the new photos, there are types of connectors i've replaced wroted in the pictures.
Thanks a lot! These information are very helpful!

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 29 2018, 03:43 AM)
It is only a inductor connected to one side of LINEAR REG / DIODE heatsink where the other side is not connected anywhere, so it can be as open end and yes it is working well.
Don't know why it's designed like this. I guess it's useful, but it's out of my knowledge. unsure.gif

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 29 2018, 03:43 AM)
It is some kind of very thin plastic fibres cotton, not a regullar cotton. I've tried to burn it and it melts and it is flamable but i must hold direct fire a couple of seconds to it to set it on fire. I think a small random spark will not set it on fire, only make a small melted spot.
Okay, that sounds safe enough. Do you have any brand recommendation for it? I found some on local internet market (here, here and here), but I'm not sure about their quality.

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 29 2018, 03:43 AM)
For the op-amps i've left them alone, no replacing. Never heard about replacing them is needed.
Okay. I'll try to explain to him. He said he want to reduce the 'digital taste' of Creative products by replacing op-amps, and he had already bought modified Creative sound card which op-amps beed replaced by the seller.

QUOTE(MichalD @ Mar 29 2018, 03:43 AM)
I've got several S750 units. All AMP boards where nearly OK, some of them has broken C40 and one has broken C41. After replacing C40, C41 and for sure C39 was all AMP board fully working.
So, did you reconstructed all these S750 units?

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post Apr 5 2018, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(MichalD @ Apr 5 2018, 03:52 AM)
This type here looks OK, but i've used 1.5cm thickness. Thicker will cause no or very small gap between my modified PSU's PCB traces side and the wadding. I used this.
Okay, I may try the second one, it has glue on one side.

QUOTE(MichalD @ Apr 5 2018, 03:52 AM)
Yes, i have now 5 pcs almost fully* reconstructed S750 subwoofer units (5 complete S750 GigaWorks speaker sets). I also have another 6 pcs of PSU boards with replaced all capacitors and connectors as mentioned above, 4 pcs of APB with I/O port board, and 5 pairs of AMP boards, 5 pcs of bass speaker itself, some spare control pods, remotes, cables etc...all this for my future  biggrin.gif S1500 TeraWorks project  biggrin.gif
thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif That's (a looooots of work) * 5.
I guess your project will become PetaWorks in the future of future. cool2.gif

By the way, where did you got these units and the individual boards and loud speaker? I only got one extra failed unit from other guy in same city, I couldn't even found one on internet market. I noticed there were some units selling on eBay occasionally, but the shipping cost is too much, or they don't even support shipping internationally.

QUOTE(MichalD @ Apr 5 2018, 03:52 AM)
*(waiting for ebay for 10mm width, 1mm thick EVA foam self adhesive sealing tape for bass speaker)
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shocking.gif Does the bass speaker need to be repair too like the second fixing of @lex ?
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post Apr 18 2018, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(rsseco @ Jan 8 2017, 05:51 AM)
Hi,

It's good to read you again !
Do you still around here?

I just finished repairing the third S750 subwoofer. In this case, I have encountered same issue as yours -- Q3 Q4 failed either instantly or after a few minutes after press the STANDBY/POWER button.
After long time diagnosing, I may found the problem: Soldering problem, either the G pin of S pin has soldering problem, which is not conducting well or not conducting at all, and it may cause the higher voltage between D and S -- I have check the voltage of C59 and C69 once, and I got around 300V using my cheap multimeter (while voltage of C60 C70 capacitors are almost 0V). I guess the peak voltage could higher than the breakdown voltage (400V) of Vds of IRF740.

After fixed soldering carefully, the pin is conductive with the solder pad, now I have revived it, and I have kept it working for hours without problem.

By the way, this set was repaired before, and the TO-220 oxide aluminum heat-conductive pads were replaced with thinner (1mm) one, which is not right, it should be 2mm. I guess it could make a slight stress on the pin and pad which is not good.

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post Jun 6 2018, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(kotek34 @ Jun 6 2018, 03:32 AM)
I replaced C61 and C62. The speakers back to work. Cheers smile.gif
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Congratulations! rclxms.gif

By the way, which model of replacement for C61 did you choose ?
A long life one will save your time, such as
- Rubycon TXW 450V 82uF (or 68uF), which has 12000 hours lifetime.
- Nichicon CS 450V 68uF, which has 10000 hours lifetime.

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