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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V133, Bear coming?

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post Jul 3 2013, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(wwwcomment @ Jul 3 2013, 03:10 PM)
hi guys, u think AEON is good buy now?
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Personal opinion, no, at least not yet.
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post Jul 3 2013, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jul 3 2013, 04:57 PM)
Aww June & July being a poor month for my portfolio.

Paper lose 7k liao

July & Aug eat grass, no dividend income month, sob sob.
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wait september SUPER BIG angpao from PANAMY if you still have any PANAMY share icon_idea.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Jul 4 2013, 03:37 PM)
tongue.gif whats the further for our CI in recent few weeks?

down or up......really dun know
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seems like at the middle line between bear and bull for me... uncertain... dunno which direction should go....
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post Jul 4 2013, 04:26 PM

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GAB also dropped alot ler.... also "quite" cheap ler....
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post Jul 4 2013, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 4 2013, 04:41 PM)
i like gab below 16.00  cool2.gif
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maybe it is good for you but not to those ppl who having losses at this moment

P/S: i'm not a GAB shareholder
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post Jul 5 2013, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ Jul 5 2013, 09:08 AM)
laugh.gif EPF and local fund can support
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hopefully with a little bit help from FF
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post Jul 5 2013, 09:30 AM

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good for everyone.... all HUAT HUAT HAUT together!!!
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post Jul 5 2013, 11:50 AM

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And 2836 continue its dropping.
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post Jul 8 2013, 09:49 AM

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now -4.xx le...
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post Jul 8 2013, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(wenqing @ Jul 8 2013, 04:35 PM)
what the hell with deleum??=.=!!!
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yea.... damn "fake" biggrin.gif
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post Jul 9 2013, 05:20 PM

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Personally think PANAMY can really hit RM30.
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post Jul 10 2013, 03:23 PM

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lol COASTAL the 1st top gainer at this moment
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post Jul 10 2013, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 10 2013, 03:31 PM)
sold all my coastal. lock in profit first.  cool2.gif
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Congrats and well done! rclxms.gif
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post Jul 11 2013, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 11 2013, 04:19 PM)
I want bear.... bear....  cry.gif
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i still not ready for bear yet ler.... bullets not yet come back ler.... biggrin.gif
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post Jul 12 2013, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(MarketingDude @ Jul 12 2013, 03:16 PM)
my THHEAVY and SENDAI rclxm9.gif brows.gif
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glad to see one of the SENDAI shareholder here.... smile.gif hope it keeps flying...
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post Jul 12 2013, 05:31 PM

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What is the difference between Trading and Investment? How to define both terms? Someone please advice me.
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post Jul 12 2013, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 12 2013, 05:34 PM)
Different people, different terms.
Investment is more on the yields - dividends and growth of dividends over a long period of time. People who invest rarely sell their shares unless there has been a change in the company's fundamental and core advantages.
Trading focuses more on capital appreciation over a short term period of time. Short term is subjective. It's up to your interpretation.
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 12 2013, 10:00 PM)
They are not different thing, just different terms concentrating on different skill. But everyone needs both of them to be successful in any investment, not just stock market, but in any business.

For instance, in doing business.
We need to be confident and knowledgeable in order to make good business decisions, which required lots of guts and risk appetite to step out of the ordinary.
And at the same time, we also must be aware of the risk we involved in the business, as well as be aware of what the competitors have been up to even if they are (still) small today and unaffected to our business. This required defensive mind.

Conclusion, we need both of those skills for sure.  cool2.gif
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Thanks both for your kind explanation.

QUOTE(MarketingDude @ Jul 12 2013, 06:29 PM)
Its an undervalue counter
how long have you holding it?
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not long bro... just 2 months only...
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post Jul 15 2013, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 13 2013, 08:21 AM)
My thinking is simple.
I think of myself as owning a business. My business is to make money from the stock market.
My inventory is the 'shares' I buy from the stock market.
Inventory management is extremely important.
It is utmost important I do not own inventory that depreciates in time.
And because it is very possible that I might purchase poor inventory or inventory that I feel has poor future outlook, I try to trade (sell) off these inventory to avoid further losses.

Trading and investing? Mana ada difference?
My one sen view, which could be wrong, is that there are not much of a difference.
Investors still buy and sell shares and this for me, is trading.
Of course, there are many who makes bad purchases.
Somehow they think that time could rectify their mistakes.  wink.gif

Of course, then there are punters.
Punters who just gambles on hot stocks, hoping their punt rake in thousands by the hour.

If you want to be in this game, just know what you are good at and not what other recommend is good for you.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(Dividend Warrior @ Jul 13 2013, 08:17 PM)
Investing is like being partners with the business owners.
The company earns profits and they share the profits with you in the form of dividends.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jul 13 2013, 08:18 PM)
Yes, there is a distinctive difference.

Instead of using stock, let's use property as illustration. Then it will be easier to see the difference.

In property, we have the investors who treat buying properties as investment. The investors buy the properties with the intention to earn returns from rental. This is the primary objective. And if the properties price rise substantially many years later, then they might sell to realise the gain, or continue to keep as rental. Most of the times, the reasons for selling is not to take profit, but could be for getting the funds to buy another property, migration, pay Ah Long, retirement, divorce, death, etc. Profit taking is usually not the primary reason for selling. The investors would rather keep earning the rental instead of killing the golden goose.

On the other side, have flippers who treat buying properties as trading. The flippers buy the properties with the intention to sell in the short term and hence profit from the capital gain in the properties. They are not interested in rental, though sometimes when the flippers could not flip so fast, then they are open to the idea of renting out the properties to get some cashflow. But the primary motive is still to profit by selling, and not profit from rental.

Now coming back to stock, we have investors and traders.

An investor buys the stock with the intention to participate in the growth of the company and profit by receiving all the company's future cashflows as dividend. The trader buys the stock with the intention to profit from the price rise of the stock. The trader is not interested in the dividends because he does not hold the stock long enough to receive the dividends. The only interest the trader has with dividends is, "Will the dividend cause the price of the stock to increase? So I can sell at a higher price?" Whereas the investor would not even be thinking of selling because he wants to continue receiving the dividend from his golden goose.

Because of the nature of the product, I would say it is easy for the participants to lie somewhere between an investor and a trader. Meaning there'd be some investment stock and some trading stock in a person's portfolio. I think a pure investor or a pure trader is a rare occurrence.
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Thanks all for all your kind input notworthy.gif
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post Jul 15 2013, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jul 15 2013, 03:43 PM)
Wah today thread only move a few replies? Not even one page...
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Just like today's share market.... at least to me.... sad.gif

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