QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 28 2013, 11:30 AM)
Low 6-digits net worth can drive BMW and stay banggalou??? This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jun 28 2013, 11:31 AM
STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V133, Bear coming?
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Jun 28 2013, 04:59 PM
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Carlsberg ar Carlsberg, when u wanna go below RM15
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Jun 28 2013, 05:16 PM
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Then better keep in trust account earn kecik meow interest dulu, wait Budget bomb
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Jun 28 2013, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(V-Zero @ Jun 28 2013, 09:06 PM) ^ k lah let it rest let it rest For me, I'd take net cash BUT add back/deduct the effect of changes in working capital, then minus the capex.Sifu-sifu sekalian, for free cash flow ar, do you take cash flows or net cash flows from operations minue the capex? Rationale: - changes in working capital can greatly distort the cash flow from ops. - when u do biz, u NEED to pay tax and if the biz is geared, interest expense is unavoidable. This is consistent with the accounting principle of "matching", u incur A to gain B, the profitability of B needs to be assessed with A being taken into consideration. |
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QUOTE(V-Zero @ Jun 29 2013, 09:40 AM) Ah alright. But beware, some companies put interest paid under op cash flow, some put under financing cash flow. Maybe, for the sake of fair comparison, just take cash generated from operations Just take the operating profit minus the tax and interest will produce a more uniform FCF. Slowly converting to a yield based investor. Cash flow statement is quite flexible, there's no 1 "correct" standard |
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Jun 29 2013, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 29 2013, 05:42 PM) FCF formula so complicated... I'm Need so anal meh Pink Spider Can you please workout the FCF of APOLLO? Show us the step-by-step calculation. V-Zero You pick another stock and show us the step-by-step calculation of its FCF. Guru gark will mark their homework Basically what I usually do is, I just take Net cash from operations (i.e. after deduct taxes paid, interest paid etc) / Earnings x 100% Some examples: APM 4 years average: 120% DIGI 4 years average: 180% (u guys should be familiar with this, this is the reason why DIGI exploring the biz trust model to distribute more cash as dividends back to shareholders, it's cash generative but dividend payout restricted by its distributable reserves) JERASIA 4 years average: -360% I find that the FCF model though better, the lack of knowledge on the respective industries will impair your judgement in which figure to include and which not. FCF = net cash from ops LESS capex essential to maintain ops But which is essential and which not? Without in-depth knowledge, hard to make this judgement. Might as well just take the simpler way out, just look at net cash from ops as a % of earnings. |
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V-Zero Y U
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Jun 30 2013, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 30 2013, 02:38 PM) Me too All I care about are dividend yield, the stability of dividends, growth of dividends paid from year to year, and growth of earnings to support the dividend growth. The longer u hold a divvy stock, the less you would care about valuations. E.g. 5% divvy yield on cost, if u hold 10 years that's 50% of ROI based on dividends alone. Don't tell me that stock would fall 50% over 10 years |
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QUOTE(LOWYAT3AB @ Jul 1 2013, 08:31 AM) APM likely range 4.80 to 5.10 No action to portfolio needed then, thanks APOLLO 4.0 to 4.40 no rebound signal yet CARLSBG 15 to 16 trying to rebound CSCENIC 1.08 to 1.11 HUPSENG 3.90 to 4.10 no rebound signal yet JTINTER 6.75 to 6.85 NESTLE 65.50 to 67 This is reply to your request. Above are likely short-term prices ranges. No major price movements expected and no strong signals to add or reduce positions until prices break out of the ranges. Need to monitor daily. Just some comments based on TA, not buy or sell recommendations. I'm looking to accumulate APM if it drops below last week's low of 4.80 This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jul 1 2013, 09:24 AM |
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QUOTE(LOWYAT3AB @ Jul 1 2013, 09:44 AM) I use closing prices for previous trading day to estimate likely An investor is not concerned with that, only day trader would be interested.short-term support and resistance levels. These can change in a few days. So I monitor daily closing prices. I mean Carlsberg is not likely to break out up or down in short-term, based on previous trading day closing prices. I cannot predict how much prices will move, especially intraday. Genting also is not likely to move much unless it can go more than 60c up or down from Friday's close. I will stay away until I can see clearer buy or sell signals. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jul 1 2013, 09:52 AM |
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Nestle suddenly wake up
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