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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V133, Bear coming?

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SUSPink Spider
post Jun 27 2013, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 27 2013, 01:29 PM)
I decide to sappork you.. i queue at RM 4.00  laugh.gif
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post Jun 27 2013, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 27 2013, 01:33 PM)
Haha.. this stock ok ok.. not that attractive yet... wink.gif

But i like the net cash and divvy... other than that the growth is a bit...ugh. laugh.gif
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u expecting high double digits growth for a cheapalak junk food stock meh doh.gif
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post Jun 27 2013, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 27 2013, 01:39 PM)
Mamee did it ..before taken private.. sad.gif

CI holdings also did it.. before sold to the japs.. sad.gif
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Lesson of the day? Go buy a private firm! Venture capital! Stocks are not for u laugh.gif
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 27 2013, 02:03 PM)
Wah you expect it to fall back to the previous 3.20 ah?  laugh.gif

You know i don't see chart 1 right...

PE 10x .. - ok lar

Cash on hand about 70 cents/share - good

Dividend .. emm expect 20-25 cents = 5-5.5% - fair lah

ROE ~ 10%-15% - fair lah

FCF = about 40-45 cents/year... so it is sustainable - good

Growth = more or less flat = no good

Margin = ~15% ok lar

Not a high earning stock.. merely like FD stock...  whistling.gif
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Unker, how u calcualte FCF? Cash flows exclude dividends paid?
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 27 2013, 02:16 PM)
Alamak!  doh.gif  You are a dividend investor.. FCF is the first thing you need to master.  bruce.gif

I also thought you akauntan must calculate this every day 1?

FCF = Net cash from operation - purchase of PPE

But my style i exclude changes in working capital as it distort the FCF too much...  laugh.gif
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agreed, 1 year build up inventory/slowing sales = depleting cash
next year clear stock/reduce inventory = cash boost

I akauntan tak berlesen nia laugh.gif
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jun 27 2013, 02:19 PM)
Accountant specializing in audit right?  laugh.gif
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Aiyo, I akauntan junior la. Auditors audit me, and I hate auditors esp those that think that they're super hot and deserve special treatment tongue.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jun 27 2013, 02:21 PM
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 27 2013, 02:21 PM)
U sure see a lot of amoi, no wonder brain heavily corrupted laugh.gif
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I treat guy auditors and girl-next-door type of auditors good

And I show black face and give 1-liner answers to "hot" auditors. Call me weird laugh.gif
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jun 27 2013, 02:23 PM)
Auditor amois better don't flirt.
I got one friend marry auditor..kena audit for life. CC bills, bank bills..all precise counting to few cents also taken into account.
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when i need to flirt i go pub icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 27 2013, 02:25 PM)
Good check and balance mechanism laugh.gif

I thought u will show hamsup like this -> brows.gif  brows.gif
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My ex is auditor, but I more thorough on my finances than her hmm.gif

U see my profile pic, u see I got that kinda potential meh doh.gif
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Jun 27 2013, 02:34 PM)
The picture in your profile is you?  hmm.gif
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Why hmm.gif

Akauntan cannot makeup and dye hair and keep long hair? hmm.gif
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(cwhong @ Jun 27 2013, 02:42 PM)
no i cant see clearly, pls remove the love from ur face!!!  whistling.gif
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and let whole LYN know who am I? shakehead.gif
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post Jun 27 2013, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 27 2013, 02:55 PM)
After sell business, meaning I also not holding anymore lo. Cannot generate passive income for me anymore ma. That is why the "victim" word.

Just a quick question, our dividend consider as our income or no need to declare?
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single tier no need declare

S108 divvy u can choose not to declare if u lazy claim the rebate
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post Jun 27 2013, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jun 27 2013, 03:27 PM)

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TQ notworthy.gif
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post Jun 28 2013, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jun 28 2013, 09:10 AM)
have to see our EPF vs FF outsmart each other.

Like playing chinese chess strategic.
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What u see from that?

EPF net seller, FF net buyer unsure.gif
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post Jun 28 2013, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jun 28 2013, 10:59 AM)
Salary out  sad.gif
Wish I have RM2mil. Then I can buy dividend stock, earn 5% to 6% dividend. That's RM100k to 120k tax free income. Then I can retire. But I'm still loooooooooooooooong way from my target  sad.gif
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if u have RM200K, u dare to dump all in? hmm.gif
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post Jun 28 2013, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 28 2013, 11:05 AM)
Dump progressively. If I have 1M also, I wanna goyang kaki already by just collecting dividend.
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Assuming a very conservative 4% divvy yield, that's only RM3,333 per month on average, cukup? hmm.gif
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post Jun 28 2013, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Jun 28 2013, 11:12 AM)
Without paying loans, yes. More than enough. Just be a bit stingy lo tongue.gif
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true also, if u dun work, u dun need to commute every day, petrol money also saved. hmm.gif
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post Jun 28 2013, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 28 2013, 11:15 AM)
RM120k a year is RM10k a month. If you were a millionaire, you won't be satisfied with RM10k a month of disposable income.

Human's greed is insatiable  brows.gif
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When I have RMx,xxx net worth, I'm living on RM15 a day
When I have RMxx,xxx net worth, I'm living on RM18 a day
Now I have RMxxx,xxx net worth, I'm living on Rm22 a day if I did not go out mabuk

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post Jun 28 2013, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 28 2013, 11:23 AM)
RM 22 per day.. can pay for your food, car & house meh? notworthy.gif
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RM22 is only for food lar...I eat all meals outside, house no cook sad.gif
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post Jun 28 2013, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 28 2013, 11:25 AM)
Oh.. i though 'living' include other expenses including food.  tongue.gif

Unless you stay at home & don't go out... even then you need to pay rent/house loan + utilities... tongue.gif
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e.g. how many units of air con u NEED? dun tell me when u become a millionaire, storeroom also need air con, toilet also need install Astro with full HD tv laugh.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jun 28 2013, 11:28 AM

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