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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V133, Bear coming?

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post Jul 13 2013, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 13 2013, 08:21 AM)
My thinking is simple.
I think of myself as owning a business. My business is to make money from the stock market.
My inventory is the 'shares' I buy from the stock market.
Inventory management is extremely important.
It is utmost important I do not own inventory that depreciates in time.
And because it is very possible that I might purchase poor inventory or inventory that I feel has poor future outlook, I try to trade (sell) off these inventory to avoid further losses.

Trading and investing? Mana ada difference?
My one sen view, which could be wrong, is that there are not much of a difference.
Investors still buy and sell shares and this for me, is trading.
Of course, there are many who makes bad purchases.
Somehow they think that time could rectify their mistakes.  wink.gif

Of course, then there are punters.
Punters who just gambles on hot stocks, hoping their punt rake in thousands by the hour.

If you want to be in this game, just know what you are good at and not what other recommend is good for you.  smile.gif
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wow... very nice view !!

i like the comment....

ekowood how?

high inventory low debt... please advise... wub.gif

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post Jul 13 2013, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Jul 13 2013, 09:19 AM)
wow... very nice view !!

i like the comment....

ekowood how?

high inventory low debt... please advise...  wub.gif
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Hehe..

Obviously you know this one is case of a flying wok. laugh.gif

Fundamentally this company is at a 'cheap' price cos it is lousy but then...as you have stated low inventory. tongue.gif

I think game just started, so exciting times is expected..
But do expect some shake and rattle to shake off leachers. tongue.gif
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post Jul 13 2013, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 13 2013, 09:31 AM)
Hehe..

Obviously you know this one is case of a flying wok. laugh.gif

Fundamentally this company is at a 'cheap' price cos it is lousy but then...as you have stated low inventory. tongue.gif

I think game just started, so exciting times is expected..
But do expect some shake and rattle to shake off leachers. tongue.gif
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volume just picked up...

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hopefully got some real shows there...
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post Jul 13 2013, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 13 2013, 08:21 AM)
My thinking is simple.
I think of myself as owning a business. My business is to make money from the stock market.
My inventory is the 'shares' I buy from the stock market.
Inventory management is extremely important.
It is utmost important I do not own inventory that depreciates in time.
And because it is very possible that I might purchase poor inventory or inventory that I feel has poor future outlook, I try to trade (sell) off these inventory to avoid further losses.

Trading and investing? Mana ada difference?
My one sen view, which could be wrong, is that there are not much of a difference.
Investors still buy and sell shares and this for me, is trading.
Of course, there are many who makes bad purchases.
Somehow they think that time could rectify their mistakes.  wink.gif

Of course, then there are punters.
Punters who just gambles on hot stocks, hoping their punt rake in thousands by the hour.

If you want to be in this game, just know what you are good at and not what other recommend is good for you.  smile.gif
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I fully agree with this. I have the same thinking as well, treating stock market as my business. Over the time, I try to grow my networth hopefully with the help of the stocks appreciation and "trade" it away on time while avoiding keeping depreciating "asset" with me.
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post Jul 13 2013, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(PlayMaker` @ Jul 12 2013, 05:31 PM)
What is the difference between Trading and Investment? How to define both terms? Someone please advice me.
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Investing is like being partners with the business owners.
The company earns profits and they share the profits with you in the form of dividends. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 13 2013, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(PlayMaker` @ Jul 12 2013, 05:31 PM)
What is the difference between Trading and Investment? How to define both terms? Someone please advice me.
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Yes, there is a distinctive difference.

Instead of using stock, let's use property as illustration. Then it will be easier to see the difference.

In property, we have the investors who treat buying properties as investment. The investors buy the properties with the intention to earn returns from rental. This is the primary objective. And if the properties price rise substantially many years later, then they might sell to realise the gain, or continue to keep as rental. Most of the times, the reasons for selling is not to take profit, but could be for getting the funds to buy another property, migration, pay Ah Long, retirement, divorce, death, etc. Profit taking is usually not the primary reason for selling. The investors would rather keep earning the rental instead of killing the golden goose.

On the other side, have flippers who treat buying properties as trading. The flippers buy the properties with the intention to sell in the short term and hence profit from the capital gain in the properties. They are not interested in rental, though sometimes when the flippers could not flip so fast, then they are open to the idea of renting out the properties to get some cashflow. But the primary motive is still to profit by selling, and not profit from rental.

Now coming back to stock, we have investors and traders.

An investor buys the stock with the intention to participate in the growth of the company and profit by receiving all the company's future cashflows as dividend. The trader buys the stock with the intention to profit from the price rise of the stock. The trader is not interested in the dividends because he does not hold the stock long enough to receive the dividends. The only interest the trader has with dividends is, "Will the dividend cause the price of the stock to increase? So I can sell at a higher price?" Whereas the investor would not even be thinking of selling because he wants to continue receiving the dividend from his golden goose.

Because of the nature of the product, I would say it is easy for the participants to lie somewhere between an investor and a trader. Meaning there'd be some investment stock and some trading stock in a person's portfolio. I think a pure investor or a pure trader is a rare occurrence.
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post Jul 15 2013, 09:28 AM

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Al-Hadharah Boustead REIT will be taken private by its parent company,
Boustead Holdings, making it the first REIT in the country to be privatised,
according to sources. The announcement of the takeover would be made soon,
the sources added. Affin Investment Bank would be handling the privatisation.
Both companies requested for their shares to be suspended last Fri "pending a
material announcement." (Starbiz)


So, is M-REIT so expensive as said by RHB?
Well, maybe Boustead is stupid, so they prefer to privatize at expensive price. yawn.gif
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post Jul 15 2013, 10:38 AM

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Wow KPS and Puncak.....

kow kow.....
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http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/billionai...MO_CODE=1393F-1

Many billionaires dumping stocks?
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 15 2013, 12:27 PM)
http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/billionai...MO_CODE=1393F-1

Many billionaires dumping stocks?
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hmm.gif many company facing bottle neck on earning since 2008 recovery.

withdrawing the QE represent the US evonomy recoverd, but its thats a satisfy condition?
will the US economy U-turn after the withdrawing?

biggrin.gif question mark...........
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post Jul 15 2013, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Jul 15 2013, 12:27 PM)
http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/billionai...MO_CODE=1393F-1

Many billionaires dumping stocks?
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So why are these billionaires dumping their shares of U.S. companies?

After all, the stock market is still in the midst of its historic rally. Real estate prices have finally leveled off, and for the first time in five years are actually rising in many locations. And the unemployment rate seems to have stabilized.

It’s very likely that these professional investors are aware of specific research that points toward a massive market correction, as much as 90%.

One such person publishing this research is Robert Wiedemer, an esteemed economist and author of the New York Times best-selling book Aftershock.


ohmy.gif shocking.gif sure or not laugh.gif
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post Jul 15 2013, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ Jul 15 2013, 01:00 PM)
ohmy.gif  shocking.gif sure or not laugh.gif
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If correction 90% we all balik kampung tanam jagung laugh.gif
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post Jul 15 2013, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 12 2013, 04:21 PM)
Thanks... lots of people queue at RM 2... sweat.gif Donno can get or not.
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2.09 la wei! smile.gif

Did you give up the 2 sen? tongue.gif
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post Jul 15 2013, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 13 2013, 08:21 AM)
My thinking is simple.
I think of myself as owning a business. My business is to make money from the stock market.
My inventory is the 'shares' I buy from the stock market.
Inventory management is extremely important.
It is utmost important I do not own inventory that depreciates in time.
And because it is very possible that I might purchase poor inventory or inventory that I feel has poor future outlook, I try to trade (sell) off these inventory to avoid further losses.

Trading and investing? Mana ada difference?
My one sen view, which could be wrong, is that there are not much of a difference.
Investors still buy and sell shares and this for me, is trading.
Of course, there are many who makes bad purchases.
Somehow they think that time could rectify their mistakes.  wink.gif

Of course, then there are punters.
Punters who just gambles on hot stocks, hoping their punt rake in thousands by the hour.

If you want to be in this game, just know what you are good at and not what other recommend is good for you.  smile.gif
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QUOTE(Dividend Warrior @ Jul 13 2013, 08:17 PM)
Investing is like being partners with the business owners.
The company earns profits and they share the profits with you in the form of dividends.  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jul 13 2013, 08:18 PM)
Yes, there is a distinctive difference.

Instead of using stock, let's use property as illustration. Then it will be easier to see the difference.

In property, we have the investors who treat buying properties as investment. The investors buy the properties with the intention to earn returns from rental. This is the primary objective. And if the properties price rise substantially many years later, then they might sell to realise the gain, or continue to keep as rental. Most of the times, the reasons for selling is not to take profit, but could be for getting the funds to buy another property, migration, pay Ah Long, retirement, divorce, death, etc. Profit taking is usually not the primary reason for selling. The investors would rather keep earning the rental instead of killing the golden goose.

On the other side, have flippers who treat buying properties as trading. The flippers buy the properties with the intention to sell in the short term and hence profit from the capital gain in the properties. They are not interested in rental, though sometimes when the flippers could not flip so fast, then they are open to the idea of renting out the properties to get some cashflow. But the primary motive is still to profit by selling, and not profit from rental.

Now coming back to stock, we have investors and traders.

An investor buys the stock with the intention to participate in the growth of the company and profit by receiving all the company's future cashflows as dividend. The trader buys the stock with the intention to profit from the price rise of the stock. The trader is not interested in the dividends because he does not hold the stock long enough to receive the dividends. The only interest the trader has with dividends is, "Will the dividend cause the price of the stock to increase? So I can sell at a higher price?" Whereas the investor would not even be thinking of selling because he wants to continue receiving the dividend from his golden goose.

Because of the nature of the product, I would say it is easy for the participants to lie somewhere between an investor and a trader. Meaning there'd be some investment stock and some trading stock in a person's portfolio. I think a pure investor or a pure trader is a rare occurrence.
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Thanks all for all your kind input notworthy.gif
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Wah today thread only move a few replies? Not even one page...
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post Jul 15 2013, 03:44 PM

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KLSE will touch 1800 this month..Agree or Against?
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jul 15 2013, 03:43 PM)
Wah today thread only move a few replies? Not even one page...
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Just like today's share market.... at least to me.... sad.gif
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