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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V133, Bear coming?

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yok70
post Jul 4 2013, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 4 2013, 05:12 PM)
Psst... china malls offering free rent to retailers due to over supply and lowering medium class consumption...

Not scared ah?  tongue.gif
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Not scare. The basic principle is, competition is healthy to keep the winners and dismiss the losers. After this consolidation period, winners become stronger as they makan losers territory. So the million dollar question is how to pick potential winners. laugh.gif
The stocks I have been monitoring had corrected about 18-25%. I'm willing to average down for another 20%. That would mean they fall 40-50%. I don't think China economy can slow down 50%. biggrin.gif

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post Jul 4 2013, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 4 2013, 06:05 PM)
Not scare. The basic principle is, competition is healthy to keep the winners and dismiss the losers. After this consolidation period, winners become stronger as they makan losers territory. So the million dollar question is how to pick potential winners.  laugh.gif
The stocks I have been monitoring had corrected about 18-25%. I'm willing to average down for another 20%. That would mean they fall 40-50%. I don't think China economy can slow down 50%.  biggrin.gif
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Latest report up today, shadow banking crisis which trigger the 12% OPR couple of weeks ago... expected NPL of Chinese banks to report 40% once POBC ask all the banks to declare all their shadow banking. doh.gif

Shadow banking is 'illegal' money lending to state corporations behind the scenes by Chinese banks... usually not recorded in the books more like a float.

If really like that... jialat loh. doh.gif Some Chinese banks are trading at PE 5x...

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CFA Institute: How effective were the PBOC’s recent actions at curtailing so-called “shadow lending” in China?

Fraser Howie: It is far too early to know if its actions have been effective in the long term. The PBOC has been very effective at shocking and disrupting the market, and it has left many wondering what it was thinking and trying to achieve. The problems of poor lending and shadow banking can’t be solved by just squeezing the interbank market, but they have exposed that the banks have been too dependent on short-term, PBOC-driven liquidity. The recent spike will hopefully lead to better liquidity management by the banks, but the problems of poor allocation of capital and shadow banking are nowhere near being solved. The problems have been growing for years and only now is a concerted effort being made to tackle the excesses.

CFA Institute: How extensive are bad debts in China, and is the liquidity crunch at least in part a reflection of a bad debt situation there?

Fraser Howie: The bad debts problems are severe, but they aren’t bad enough or big enough at the moment to cause a financial crisis. China can hold its financial system together, but it will come at a cost of significantly lower growth for a period of years and some nasty shocks to the bank balance sheets over the coming years. The liquidity crunch is only slightly related to the bad debt situation, liquidity isn’t scare because loans weren’t repaid, the recent problems are far more reflective of deposits increasingly going into wealth management products and other short-term instruments, which has hit bank’s liquidity management. This has been especially true of the second tier of lenders. There are also suggestions of a lot of interbank and intrabank lending, which have gone on without proper oversight and risk management: it has meant that on paper the banks look good, yet cash on hand is relatively scarce.

CFA Institute: Are China’s banking problems resolved? If so, why? If not, how much worse can it get? Can China keep growing despite these problems?

Fraser Howie: Far from resolved. We are looking at debt issues which will take years to work out. Credit has been growing well above trend for four years, and yet growth has been getting weaker and weaker. We know that many of the poorer loans have been already rolled over for three to five years, so the problem will be out there for a long time. The problem can get really bad if growth continues to slow, don’t forget that in the late 90s the NPLs were 40%! I won’t be that bad again, but 90% of the bank credit goes to SOEs, which, without their government subsidies, lose money. As for whether China keeps growing, then yes it probably can, but the growth rates will be low single digits. Given where China has come from, that will feel like recession. Even if the new leadership are really committed to reforming the economy, it will still be a tough time. A more open economy will also mean a more volatile economy, and that is something that the leaders won’t like. The likely scenario for China is one of muddling through. Forget hopes or dreams of China as a global leader, the government will be focused on the very real challenges domestically.


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post Jul 4 2013, 06:24 PM

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I think Carlsberg had slightly broken below the immediate support today. If the support at this level stays strong in 7 days or so, perhaps it's the short term support for it. However, if it continues to move downwards (even slightly downwards) in next 5-10 days, further downside may happened.
13.20-13.50 may see stronger support on both TA and fundamental concern. By then, RSI may hit around 20 (vs current 38.5) which may see more bottom hunting buyers. Just my view. biggrin.gif




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post Jul 4 2013, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jul 4 2013, 06:17 PM)
Latest report up today, shadow banking crisis which trigger the 12% OPR couple of weeks ago... expected NPL of Chinese banks to report 40% once POBC ask all the banks to declare all their shadow banking.  doh.gif

Shadow banking is 'illegal' money lending to state corporations behind the scenes by Chinese banks... usually not recorded in the books more like a float.

If really like that... jialat loh.  doh.gif Some Chinese banks are trading at PE 5x...
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Most of the issue was affecting small banks. Large banks are not as affected, some even may profit more through inter-banks loan rate hike as the big banks are the credit supplier. It's a consolidating process for small banks, M&A is expecting for the next few years that will make China finance system stronger. China still has very strong cash power, so the crisis condition is controllable by the government. It's just about the tolerate plan of the government regarding the slow down.
The growth of middle class will be continue non-stop ahead as infrastructure are building up in 2nd/3rd tier cities. This middle class is the growth engine of China, not the current loan heavy businessman. Bad businesses may bankrupt, but well managed businesses will overtake their market shares and become even stronger based on the middle class population growth.
And I like the recent outcome that China is moving from manufacturing to service slowly. This is good as service can create sustainable high value chain, just imagine HK and Singapore.
Please correct me if I was wrong. Just some thoughts. notworthy.gif
Of course, the severity of this transitional risk is hard to predict. So it's now a high risk high gain/loss situation. It's always like that. Low risk comes low gain/loss. What to do. biggrin.gif
China large banks are trading at PE 4-5x and pbv 0.8-0.9x. That's damn attractive! However, I still hesitate to buy in at this point. I will wait for their upcoming qtr report to see how's the earning first. The 3 stocks I bought (giordano, stelux and tongda) all have international exposure, not just china. So, it's more defensive in a way. sweat.gif

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post Jul 4 2013, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ Jul 4 2013, 05:29 PM)
you are missing those SMA lines. try putting 10, 20, 30, 50, 200 into the chart then maybe it will make more sense smile.gif
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You should know from the previous traders thread that I don't have lines nor indicators on my charts.

Some thinks such lines and indicators is a must.
And they make their trades based just on these indicators.
Some invest on a stock based just on financial yardsticks alone, like PE.
Some invest in Chinese stocks because it's a low PE stock.
Some might even invest in Maemode the other day because the PE says PE less than 2. Maemode is now suspended. Future unclear. It's ability to bayar their banks unkown.



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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jul 4 2013, 05:47 PM)
Bell means dividend payout if I am not wrong.

Attached another chart with SMA indicator tongue.gif

SMA100 RM14.57, pretty close to Pink's 14.50 ?
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Yes, the bell means dividend payout.

Do have a look at the simple Carlsberg chart without any indicators.
Listen to what the chart is saying.
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 4 2013, 05:57 PM)
thanks boon3, i hv to reconsider to cheers.gif with pink next time when the time good.
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No problem felix.
Just listen to what the chart is saying.


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post Jul 4 2013, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 4 2013, 04:39 PM)
oh boy. don't tell me whole year 2013 is a bullish year.
2014 super bull.
2015 sideline
2016 kaboom bubble burst year.  laugh.gif
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almost every financial crisis will happened at the year ending with digit 7 to 9.
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The next one probably 2017 or 2018 drool.gif

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Jul 4 2013, 07:08 PM)
almost every financial crisis will happened at the year ending with digit 7 to 9.
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The next one probably 2017 or 2018  drool.gif
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really? cool. we have 5 more years to play gaw gaw. then we all retire by 2017. brows.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 4 2013, 06:24 PM)
I think Carlsberg had slightly broken below the immediate support today. If the support at this level stays strong in 7 days or so, perhaps it's the short term support for it. However, if it continues to move downwards (even slightly downwards) in next 5-10 days, further downside may happened.
13.20-13.50 may see stronger support on both TA and fundamental concern. By then, RSI may hit around 20 (vs current 38.5) which may see more bottom hunting buyers. Just my view.  biggrin.gif
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I have posted on Monday Carlsberg's likely short-term
support was RM15. I have been everyday monitoring the
end of day closing prices charts Support has clearly
been broken. Now dangerous to try to catch falling
knives.I cannot predict how low the price will go.
I expect a rebound soon but I won't buy until i can
see that prices have started to rebound

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post Jul 4 2013, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jul 4 2013, 06:56 PM)
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timing good....thanks davinz18 sharing rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 4 2013, 07:44 PM)
really? cool. we have 5 more years to play gaw gaw. then we all retire by 2017.  brows.gif
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keep money in FD, wait 5 year..sai lang....next 5year juz waiting to growth and retire rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 4 2013, 07:07 PM)
No problem felix.
Just listen to what the chart is saying.
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So what is the chart saying? Cant hear a thing...
Can you reveal the puzzle aka hoi gu?
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jul 4 2013, 08:14 PM)
keep money in FD, wait 5 year..sai lang....next 5year juz waiting to growth and retire  rclxms.gif
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Now is "cautiously optimistic", 5 year later might be "worrying kaboom". Which journey suits you better? tongue.gif
I'd rather ride this anxious bull. 5 years later, put all retire fund into FD and live with yield. thumbup.gif
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I think i posted this before. year ending 9 is actually the biggest bull. haha. this year is also bull year.


1) the years ending with 3, 6, 9 are usually bull years.
2) among these 3 years, year ending with 9 has the biggest gain in history with 30% -175% gain, followed by 3 with 30% - 100% gain, and 6 with 18% - 22% gain.
3) years ending with 1 and 5 are the worst performing years with year end closing price below or equal to the beginning price.
4) years ending with 7 and 8 tend to have stock crashes with the exception of 1988.

http://paulineseconomicsforum.blogspot.com...-1981-2012.html
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QUOTE(staind @ Jul 4 2013, 09:45 PM)
I think i posted this before. year ending 9 is actually the biggest bull. haha. this year is also bull year.
1) the years ending with 3, 6, 9 are usually bull years.
2) among these 3 years, year ending with 9 has the biggest gain in history with 30% -175% gain, followed by 3 with 30% - 100% gain, and 6 with 18% - 22% gain.
3) years ending with 1 and 5 are the worst performing years with year end closing price below or equal to the beginning price.
4)  years ending with 7 and 8 tend to have stock crashes with the exception of 1988. 

http://paulineseconomicsforum.blogspot.com...-1981-2012.html
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2014 = no comment from the writer.
2015 = the year FED increase the interest rate/ QE stop/ EU recover/ ECB increase rate. the year bubble start to burst.
2016 = dead cat bounce year (bull year)
2017 = crash / bubble burst
2018 = crash / bubble burst
2019 = recovery - hamtam kuat kuat
2020 = wawasan 2020 (i hope this is the year staind become millionaire)

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