Kelisa 12 years old, air con little cold in mornings but not
cold at all in afternoons.

Authorised denso dealer workshop in Klang indicated original
Denso compressor worn out & cooling coil leaking.

Changed to Recon compressor & new 'Patco' coil & new Denso drier.
Inclusive of gas filling, vacuum & repair labour, about rm900.

Would appreciate comments & suggestions on
pricing & repair choices.

Called up Denso Main Service Centre at Glenmarie,
approximately RM2000 to do the same with all original Denso parts.

This post has been edited by smokeman50: Feb 3 2015, 12:26 AM

In my 12 yrs with kelisa, only once I hit E mark,
i.e. last month, afternoon right middle of KL,
cannot find any petrol station, roads are one way mostly,
so switched off air con to conserve petrol,
luckily found one after running 8 km.

This post has been edited by smokeman50: Feb 7 2015, 07:31 AM

Sifu, how's pricing at dealer workshop, ok?
I was told by workshop, that no one in right mind,
will install a new Denso compressor for a 12 yr old car.

This post has been edited by smokeman50: Feb 4 2015, 04:13 PM

I agree. My temperature dial always 1/2 way, never full cold. Original Denso compressor lasted almost 12 years! I heard some people only 7 to 8 years already kong-off !

Price include only:
1. recon compressor
2. Patco cooling coil
3. denso drier filter,
4. fill gas, vacuum,
5. workmanship
Total = rm900.
* Didnt change any piping or valves.

Hope it was reasonable price.
Its shoplot workshop but brand authorised.

This post has been edited by smokeman50: Feb 12 2015, 01:07 PM

On the sidewalk, I spoke to a passing Kelisa bro, he said he did new sanden compressor only (include gas & labor);
all in about RM650 at Shah Alam, but he didnt mention anything else e.g. whether changed or service cooling coil, expansion valve, nor pipes & joints.

I wonder if I made the right choice earlier to fix a recon (unknow brand, maybe a Denso) @rm480, when a new Sanden (China) @rm490 ?

This post has been edited by smokeman50: Feb 12 2015, 01:19 PM

Perodua W/shop recommend every 60,000km, but in practice it's up to 100,000km.
Bro, you timing belts are due, better have it changed.
I heard some people say: if timing belt broken while running, may cause engine to have serious problem.
I did mine, complete set + labor, at Perodua W/shop @rm 450 in 2012.

Sifu/Bro yorkhan, thanks for your info & I am surprised by its design;
it is re-assuring to know that if timing belts breaks, it won't destroy the inner Kelisa engine components.

Hi Azlan,

Would be great if you could share with us what are the repairs done for overhaul costing RM2700.
Just a brief summary of major items in the overhaul job.
Many Kelisa/Kenari in excess of 10 years are due for a major overhaul, including mine.

Also which w/shop you did it. (PM me if necessary)
Thank you.

Hi Mike,

You did your car paint job & modify where?
Seems well done & how much it cost totally?

Hi Sifu,

Its about Kelisa air-con.
Model: EZ 2003, I have been told it's a Denso.

Just wanted to know, where is the location of the so-called dryer/filter?

Is it attached next to the radiator?

If looking from the front of the car grille, is it on the left side of the radiator unit?

There seems to be a long cylindrical object there.

Can anyone enlighten on this?

Need to know urgently.

Thanks to all Sifu.

This post has been edited by smokeman50: Apr 23 2015, 12:52 AM

Thanks for reply. Noted on the dryer position.

I have no idea about the Alza absorber mounting for Kelisa use.
But I will share some general hindsight with you.
There's a saying: Buyer's beware (Caveat Emptor)

Auto Performance is exactly what they do: mix & match & substitute to produce some superior effects.
Any long term reseach done?
They thrive on immediate & visible effects by exploring and inventing new applications.
2 years later? 4 years later? What happens then? Any side effects to the car structures?

Also, no need to ask Perodua, because they will always say use their recommended spares only, full stop!
Follow what the Japanese had told them in their ISO books.

So where does that leave us, the consumers?
How do we decide what's better?
Caveat Emptor again!

That's what an Auto Performance told me those days; change to different brand absorbers;
so that the Kelisa ride is not so harsh and noisy, and also these absorbers last longer than originals.

Intentions may be genuine & sincere, but factually inaccurate.
As the English idiom goes: "Little knowledge is a dangerous thing".
But then "necessity is the mother of invention"

I never did change my absorbers to his suggestion; perhaps he was right then; who knows?
But if things go wrong; and may go hazardously wrong later; who is to blame?

In the end, you have to weight his circle of technical competencies against a giant automotive corporation's.

If you ask around other Auto performances; they will tell you similar schools of thoughts;
because they are likely teh tarik friends, same trade associations, same vocational alma mater, relatives & whatsapp pals.

How to get reliable independent technical information, that's backed by evidence of empirical data?
Probably not so soon since automotive expertise have not reach a consummate level;
also existing purist auto performance may not be willing to re-work my Kelisa.

This is where the forum comes in just handily.
Stick to original ISO or eventually '... may the force be with you'.

This post has been edited by smokeman50: Apr 25 2015, 06:21 AM

Hi and thanks for your feedback.
I was merely sharing my car experiences and thoughts.
None wiser than any sifu in the forum here.

I acknowledge that 'known' aftermarket replacement parts are as good as prescribed originals.
And cheaper too but be aware of the 'grades' of spares and the many 'other' aftermarket competitors.

I am cautious of subsitution with parts of different specifications.
As in the case of parts of one model being used in another car model.

Nothing against 3rd party automotive providers nor innovative entrepreneurship.
Well and good for the many start-up's that offer an alternative solution.
However there are few contenders in R&D optimisation compared to the Giants.

Still one needs to exercise caveat emptor for excitement risk-taking.
Then there are also the factors of technical expertise and the right tools needed for the job.

End of the day, I surmise that majority of Kelisa owners are either seeking a safe bet or toying.
Hope to receive more infor on Kelisa issues.

Just to update on installing re-cond air-con compressor.

It has been already 6 months and the air-con is working fine, very cooling.
Just like the first day of installation.

I think I made the right choice to do it at an authorised Denso workshop,
even though it's just a shoplot with hardly any cars waiting inside.

Cost a bit more, but they were sure of what they were doing.
Assurance is better than Insurance!

The re-cond warranty of 3 months already over.
But the Cooling coil got 1 year warranty.