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SUStikaram
post Jun 25 2013, 08:37 AM

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If really no dibs ...legal fees...& other financial...

Developer will go around try others ways...

Maybe more none financial free ? Eg. cabinets...free...maintenance...free aircond...free
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post Jun 25 2013, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 25 2013, 07:51 AM)
laugh.gif  laugh.gif tell that to the DDD camp and they will think otherwise

Is the rumour only on abolish DIBS, or abolish DIBS + 30% rebates + free mot + etc ? If only DIBS, many people still can afford the interest during construction period. Not much effect to flippers

But abolish 30% rebates + free MOT + etc will turn away the flippers, AND ALSO young first time buyers who still do not have enough savings for the 10% down payment. So it will not help the first home owner who really need a roof over their head

I think it will be better to reduce the 70% LTV to 50% on 3rd house to curb flippers. Then from 4th loan, 30% LTV, or 0% LTV  sweat.gif
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Boss beta to start ltv70 on 2nd prop. Ltv50 for 3rd n 4th. Then ltv0 on 5th or above. However, its on the loan and not on the number on props.

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post Jun 25 2013, 08:55 AM

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Nothing can do the gov right now to curb the price increasing...

Developer could give higher discount, 20%-30% upfront...

Now already has few developer giving 20% discount... Etc, UOA on southview residence @ Bangsar south...
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post Jun 25 2013, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(brother love @ Jun 24 2013, 11:48 PM)
Dibs creating unhealthy trend where everybody kip buying new luanching properties, and developers kip pushing up prices with every new launch...many cheaper gems can be found in subsel, why buy a new RM500k, 600sf studio when u can get a slightly older but cheaper maybe Rm450k 1000sf condo? Wat about those Rm600-700k studio units barely 600++ sf soho vofo sovo toto, who can afford and want to buy when completed??
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post Jun 25 2013, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Helius @ Jun 25 2013, 08:55 AM)
Nothing can do the gov right now to curb the price increasing...

Developer could give higher discount, 20%-30% upfront...

Now already has few developer giving 20% discount... Etc, UOA on southview residence @ BangsarĀ  south...
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That's why I say control DIBS alone is not enough.

They must got some ways to control the discount.

But discount cannot be controlled. As any business entities, they can give any amount of discount they so wishes.

But perhaps they can control the loan amount - make sure it is calculated after discounts/rebates.

This post has been edited by puchongite: Jun 25 2013, 09:23 AM
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post Jun 25 2013, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 25 2013, 09:23 AM)
That's why I say control DIBS alone is not enough.

They must got some ways to control the discount.

But discount cannot be controlled. As any business entities, they can give any amount of discount they so wishes.

But perhaps they can control the loan amount - make sure it is calculated after discounts/rebates.
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Just some concluding words on this.

If Bank Negara is just looking at DIBS to curb the growth, then I say it's just pura-pura only. The real intention to do something effective is not there.

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post Jun 25 2013, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(Helius @ Jun 25 2013, 08:55 AM)
Nothing can do the gov right now to curb the price increasing...

Developer could give higher discount, 20%-30% upfront...

Now already has few developer giving 20% discount... Etc, UOA on southview residence @ Bangsar  south...
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Im sure government wil control it step by step. First LTV 70 then dibs then control the rebate amount n so on. But developer on the other hand sure hav other strategy as well
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post Jun 25 2013, 09:37 AM

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Singapore banned DIBS in 2009. I think it should have been dismissed in Malaysia earlier also. This is an unhealthy scheme that artificially inflates a property market and muddies the water unnecessarily. There is an oversupply of new units with no resolution of the units in the secondary market. First time buyers should be given subsidies and benefits in different ways. LTV should be adjusted towards a cumulative ratio over the individual's portfolio and not in terms of first, second and third.
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post Jun 25 2013, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jun 25 2013, 09:23 AM)

But perhaps they can control the loan amount - make sure it is calculated after discounts/rebates.
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Yes tis part is crucial and wise move. Some banks oledi practice tis. My recent loan application came in with few offers indicating tat they ll giv mof based on price after discount. So they ll liaise with dev rather than me for the confirmed purchase price. They afraid I ll lie to them.
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post Jun 25 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Nikmon @ Jun 24 2013, 09:32 PM)
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Fast leg fast hand implement leh. I want to buy discount highrise for rental.

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post Jun 25 2013, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 25 2013, 09:38 AM)
Yes tis part is crucial and wise move. Some banks oledi practice tis. My recent loan application came in with few offers indicating tat they ll giv mof based on price after discount. So they ll liaise with dev rather than me for the confirmed purchase price. They afraid I ll lie to them.
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All the banks know how effective is this. And they currently pretend unaware of the discount/rebates given to the buyers. Pretend only.

And also Bank Negara has not demonstrated it's seriousness on this.

If Bank Negara wants to come down hard upon the banks, I am sure the banks cannot claim that they are unaware of the discounts given to the buyers. In this world, pretending unaware of the regulation or the laws does not give you a permit to do illegal things.
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post Jun 25 2013, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jun 25 2013, 08:43 AM)
Boss beta to start ltv70 on 2nd prop. Ltv50 for 3rd n 4th. Then ltv0 on 5th or above. However, its on the loan and not on the number on props.
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Like that will become sama sama like Singapore liao.

The rich will get richer, many here will be happy to be the landlord. Haha.

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post Jun 25 2013, 10:07 AM

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this will not curb the issue.

the buyers are just filthy rich. dont know where they get the monies from.

almost all ppties are sold out during launching.

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post Jun 25 2013, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jun 25 2013, 07:20 AM)
DF is not mine.
A good project will still sells even without discount.
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Agreed. Good projects will definitely have their buyers. Genuine buyers

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post Jun 25 2013, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(andyfriends @ Jun 25 2013, 10:07 AM)
this will not curb the issue.

the buyers are just filthy rich.  dont know where they get the monies from.

almost all ppties are sold out during launching.
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We have to go down the fundamentals, what's the reason to curb property market growth ?

As far as the economy is concerned, if everyone is just so filthy rich, there is no reason to stop people from buying properties !!! If people are cash rich, we should ENCOURAGE them to buy.

Then from social welfare point of view, the government can implement other measures for the less rich people to own a place to stay.




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post Jun 25 2013, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(andyfriends @ Jun 25 2013, 10:07 AM)
this will not curb the issue.

the buyers are just filthy rich.  dont know where they get the monies from.

almost all ppties are sold out during launching.
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it's fine for those buyers who can afford it. problem is when speculators flood the market with easy entry and unreasonable borrowings.
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post Jun 25 2013, 11:21 AM

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Developers could just re-phrase DIBS in the form of rebates. Hike up the price and offer higher rebates, i.e. >15% rebate is very attractive as it gives an impression that the first 10% downpayment is waived plus another 5% discount. Then, the developer could promote their "rebate period" meaning to say, faster buy buy during the sales preview period otherwise apa pun tak dapat.

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post Jun 25 2013, 11:36 AM

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same as singapore, property will continue to cheong even without DIBS.

QUOTE(accetera @ Jun 25 2013, 11:21 AM)
Developers could just re-phrase DIBS in the form of rebates. Hike up the price and offer higher rebates, i.e. >15% rebate is very attractive as it gives an impression that the first 10% downpayment is waived plus another 5% discount. Then, the developer could promote their "rebate period" meaning to say, faster buy buy during the sales preview period otherwise apa pun tak dapat.
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post Jun 25 2013, 11:37 AM

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Singapore has banned DIBS in 2009, has the bubble burst? nope. continue to cheong.

QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jun 25 2013, 07:26 AM)
Developer has imputed DIBS cost into the price. So the current price is inflated.

If no DIBS, the developer has the option to reduce price. And my guess is new launches demand will be lesser without DIBS, so they have to price it lower

DDD camp, is this the start of the bubble burst ?  laugh.gif
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post Jun 25 2013, 11:39 AM

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no rumor as it already in talk for some time. what hinder the move, I think is lack of nerve.

but it's too late.

curb speculation? here's best solution: abolish the minus BLR offer. Effective from the minutes it's ON.

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