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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V132, Everyone Huat!

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post Jun 14 2013, 08:57 AM

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Buy ASTRO ang IHH. Has high chance to rebound
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post Jun 14 2013, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 14 2013, 11:15 AM)
If there is a stock with PE 3, in a bullish stock market (until now equities is still performing very well, despite recent volatility) then must extra becareful.

In a bullish stock market, generally,

Good thing won't come cheap.
Cheap thing may not necessary must be good.

And another phrase is too good to be true.
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Especially cylinical stock like steel company. We should buy when PE is high and sell When PE is low. Because market may perceive some bad times ahead thats why PE drop until so low
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post Jun 14 2013, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 14 2013, 11:34 AM)
I don't get it rclxub.gif

Each industry has a way to analyze, u can't use consumer stock PE and judge it on steel company PE.
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Because PE is based on historical figures. Shares investment is looking at prospect. Assume financial community are rational, they have taken account of the future prospect of the industry. Thats mean the prospect will not as robust as currently is. Political factor such as dumping, rising standard of steel import quality, economic risk (forex fluctuation) and embargo will affect the robustness of steel industry. There maybe decline in performance in the future where climb up the PE or have no PE (company making losses) at all.

Cyclinical stocks are not easy to predict. It is only suitable for investor who is in the industry n know the market well. Learn from peter lynch.

When i buy foods industry, i know people will eat no matter what the economuc conditions. But we cany do this on cyclinical stock. Thats why cyclinical stock is not a sound long term investment

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post Jun 14 2013, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 14 2013, 11:53 AM)
The word long term is quite misleading :-

Because recession and boom cycles mutated, maybe from 10 years to 6 years esp for recession period to resurface.

Does not mean u hold a stock for long term, it can withstand a recession cycle.

Even  strong banks could be impacted greatly because of NPLs.

So many stocks are more or less cyclical in one way or another.

See Europe as an example, where are the recession proof companies ?
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oldtown, astro, aeon, walmart, coke are some of the long term investment i am looking at. They all have wide economic moat can defense against competition and market. I will buy them when their price reached my intrinsic value. Think of 100 years, they will still survivr
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post Jun 14 2013, 12:07 PM

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The local thrift (bank and insurance) are also on my radar, will hunt for them during recession or economic crisis. Buy tgem cheap and hold them for long term
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post Jun 14 2013, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 14 2013, 12:06 PM)
Can try MAS or MISC , maybe can survive for the next 200 years  hmm.gif

May outlast Astro or Oldtown also. U mean no competitions in these days .
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A century ago, there was a quoted called if you want to be a billionaire, buy airlines. Nowadays, airline industry are hard to manage, power of trade union, highly geared balance sheet, government intervention, stiff competition from no frills airlines are all the threats.

Airasia is blessed because has a bunch of capable and competence management team. They really knows what they doing when hedging on fuel price movement.
Airlines is an industry required smart management to operate, but i cant guarantee if there any good succession plan in 100 years later. I want an investment where even dumb management can also run it successfully, because in someday ahead, it will have one.

MAS is bureaucratic and appointment not based on meritocracy. I dont see any competency in jauhari yahya. Corporate turnaround seldom turn
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post Jun 14 2013, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 14 2013, 12:24 PM)
Concerning Oldtown .

Do their restaurants really making good profits, or something else  hmm.gif

I do not know, but I doubt so.
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Oldtown has venturesome expansion into packagimg coffee drinks market. It has also established foothold in HK and China market. Within 5 years, i think the investment will brew.

Coz those chinese like to drink our nan yang white coffee. I went HK last year and saw there is oldtown packaging coffee selling in wellcome and other supermarket owned by dairy farm.

After i came back from msia, i average up 2000 units at rm1.92/share. I got 1000 units previously bought since IPO.
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 14 2013, 12:27 PM)
One new one  coming out 50 channels for rm 30.

BTW Maxis is up for sales, next could be Astro.....
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I dont think ABN presence can takeover astro market share. It will only steer competition and make astro more efficient.

Berkshire hathaway recent years stockpick by todd combs is directv which is the same industry as astro, it has a market cap of 34 billion usd.

Astro has only 15 billion myr market cap. I think there is still room for growth for astro. The astro on the go tied up with time dot com is an interesting model. I think it will reap profit in the year ahead.

The Njoy package is smart, it can target household which is not so affluent to buy that package in one off. So that they wont subscribe for ABN later. abn must have deep pocket, otherwise i dont think it can survive for long due to expensive content cost.
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post Jun 21 2013, 08:55 PM

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What happened to star? Last minute suddenly up so much

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