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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V132, Everyone Huat!

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SKY 1809
post Jun 14 2013, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 14 2013, 09:56 AM)
Yesterday the drop cause me 2% paper lost sweat.gif

I choose do nothing tongue.gif
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Do not keep the papers, then no losses hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 14 2013, 09:54 AM)
And.. i like strongbow.. who distribute that?  laugh.gif

I know.. i know.. girls drink, but i like it... tongue.gif
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In fact , the "upper class " go for Hoe Garden , maybe Asahi also.


They have some very good brands when Carls acquired another local co, but keeping it on low profile basis.

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post Jun 14 2013, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 14 2013, 10:00 AM)
I love beers too.  biggrin.gif

Happy Hour Carlsberg one jug RM30, one pint RM8

Cheap kan!  tongue.gif

If given a choice, I'd buy BOTH (of the share)
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U also mabuk kaki hmm.gif
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post Jun 14 2013, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 14 2013, 10:05 AM)
Aiyo market up 16 points but my counters all still mabuk rclxub.gif
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Some stocks are too takut that FF dump to them.


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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 14 2013, 10:07 AM)
I now 'upper class' mah.. but i enjoy premium microbrews... this one not related to big beer companies..  tongue.gif
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Aiyah, many calculative people have expensive hobbies, but they preach others to save more.

What to do, money cannot bring to the g yard.
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post Jun 14 2013, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 14 2013, 10:16 AM)
I more or less now converting to use PEG ratio now instead of PE, DY & BV only... slowly changing from value to value-growth investor... laugh.gif

Boon master influence banyak...  tongue.gif

PEG < 1 = buy!  rclxms.gif
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Look for cash rich co with a PE of 3, sure win laugh.gif
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post Jun 14 2013, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 14 2013, 10:21 AM)
That one cigar butt investor... last time also got do. Ok also.. but don't choose those tipu china shoe company...  laugh.gif
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U mean all PE 3 tipu, besides China made ones laugh.gif
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post Jun 14 2013, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 14 2013, 10:25 AM)
Non china PE 3 ok lar... but if the PE is not consistent/one off then not ok also...
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PE 3 consistent, but one off item made it not consistent laugh.gif


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post Jun 14 2013, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(cadmus @ Jun 14 2013, 10:25 AM)
FTSE Group and Bursa Malaysia Bhd announced that MISC Bhd and
SapuraKencana Petroleum Bhd will replace Bumi Armada Bhd and
YTL Power International Bhd in the FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI. Bursa
Malaysia said the replacement follows the semi-annual review of the FTSE
Bursa Malaysia Index Series yesterday. (BT)

http://research.cimb.com/index.php?ch=5013...c=56404&bb=file

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Armada will be out d.wonder whether any effect to its share price bo.
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Why put MISC in hmm.gif


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post Jun 14 2013, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 14 2013, 10:29 AM)
Belong to petronas... EPF support kow kow.. index go up .. look pretty.
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Some people could have sapu MISC kaw kaw, now upgrading it to Index stock laugh.gif
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QUOTE(PlayMaker` @ Jun 14 2013, 10:29 AM)
mamakthir related stock?  hmm.gif
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See who is controlling Petronas .

Not so good time, put it under Petronas.

Good time , privatized sendiri.
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post Jun 14 2013, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 14 2013, 10:40 AM)
No i don't see index one.. i see individual stock..
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No donation to the funds like Genting hmm.gif
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post Jun 14 2013, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 14 2013, 10:23 AM)
My PEG = PE / (Growth% + div%)  tongue.gif

A bit different from standard peg... that why call value-growth haha and minus off net cash on hand for PE calculation.
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Growth company might be impacted by large debts and currency exchange loss as well.

Whereas cash rich company may shine with Fed Ben QE winding down.


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post Jun 14 2013, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 14 2013, 11:03 AM)
Why do you subtract net cash from earning in computing PE?

BTW, what is the formula for net cash? Cash & Cash Equivalents - Total Liabilities?
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Gark invented his own coke cola formula thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(vccy118 @ Jun 14 2013, 10:57 AM)
OMG what happened to luster!!!!????

Diez
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 14 2013, 11:15 AM)
If there is a stock with PE 3, in a bullish stock market (until now equities is still performing very well, despite recent volatility) then must extra becareful.

In a bullish stock market, generally,

Good thing won't come cheap.
Cheap thing may not necessary must be good.

And another phrase is too good to be true.
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But quite many small cap property stocks with low PE boom this year after doomed for so long.........

Anything wrong with these companies or the investors themselves hmm.gif

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post Jun 14 2013, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jun 14 2013, 11:34 AM)
I don't get it rclxub.gif

Each industry has a way to analyze, u can't use consumer stock PE and judge it on steel company PE.
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Big crabs eat smaller crabs theory

Why so many low PE small cap privatized quietly . Certainly no water fish around.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Jun 14 2013, 11:37 AM)
Efficient Market Theory?
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This theory says majority of reits investors are not aware of reits enjoy "tax free status " in Malaysia
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QUOTE(bursalchemy @ Jun 14 2013, 11:46 AM)
Because PE is based on historical figures. Shares investment is looking at prospect. Assume financial community are rational, they have taken account of the future prospect of the industry. Thats mean the prospect will not as robust as currently is. Political factor such as dumping, rising standard of steel import quality, economic risk (forex fluctuation)  and embargo There matbe decline in performance in the future where climb up the PE or have no PE (company making losses) at all.

Cyclinical stocks are not easy to predict. It is only suitable for investor who is in the industry n know the market well. Learn from peter lynch.

When i buy foods industry, i know people will eat no matter what the economuc conditions. But we cany do this on cyclinical stock. Thats why cyclinical stock is not a sound long term investment
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The word long term is quite misleading :-

Because recession and boom cycles mutated, maybe from 10 years to 6 years esp for recession period to resurface.

Does not mean u hold a stock for long term, it can withstand a recession cycle.

Even strong banks could be impacted greatly because of NPLs.

So many stocks are more or less cyclical in one way or another.

See Europe as an example, where are the recession proof companies ?

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QUOTE(bursalchemy @ Jun 14 2013, 12:02 PM)
oldtown, astro, aeon, walmart, coke are some of the long term investment i am looking at. They all have wide economic moat can defense against competition and market. I will buy them when their price reached my intrinsic value. Think of 100 years, they will still survivr
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Can try MAS or MISC , maybe can survive for the next 200 years hmm.gif

May outlast Astro or Oldtown also. U mean no competitions in these days .

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