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Dear all,

I'm sure some of us are aware of the latest Elite A-Series APU processors from AMD - Richland which running on FM2 socket. 1st thing 1st, enjoy the great video then only we talk... tongue.gif




Ok, done with the commercial, let us dive a lil deeper into the products line. Basically Richland is an "improved" version of Trinity APU series which launched Q4 last year - noticeably on higher frequency (on CPU as well as the iGPU), enhanced Turbo Core Technology, and support for DDR3 2133. This mean, Trinity users who wish to upgrade to Richland series, all they need to do is do a simple BIOS update on their motherboard then they are good to go. biggrin.gif

Table below shows the available models Richland series are offering, ranging from Quad Cores (A10 6800K & 6700 to A8 6600K & 6500) to Dual Cores A6 6400K. nod.gif

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Some quick specifications & features on Richland:

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*credits to techpowerup

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PIB aka Processor In Box
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Recommended Hyrid Cross-Fire combinations (chipset & discrete Radeon GFX)
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The organs
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The pump (with a beautiful tag) that keeps everything moving
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The cooler
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I am sure some are interested with the numbers this lovely chip can pull, so without further a due let's see what Richland has under its sleeves. biggrin.gif

Oppps, pardon me for forgetting to include the details of the test bed, below is the components used for the whole bench session:

APU: AMD A10 6800K
Cooling: CM Seidon 120M with Artic F12 @ push-pull
Motherboard: Asus F2A85-M PRO (BIOS 6204)
Ram: 2 x 4GB DDR3 1600 CL 11 Samsung Low Voltage (MV-3V4G3D/US) / 2 x 4GB DDR3 2133 CL 9 Gskill ARES
Discrete GPU (on X-Fire tests): Sapphire HD 6670 1GB GDDR5
Storage: Samsung PM830 (256GB)
PSU: Seasonic M12II 520W
Casing: Aerocool QS-200 Lite
Fan controller / Wattmeter: Zalman ZM-MFC3
Keyboard + Mouse: Logitech K270 + M705
OS: Win7 Ultimate 64-Bit
Catalyst: 13.6 Beta


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Generic Tests
Basically, these tests are more on CPU performance. Memory & 3D performance will be on different categories. For each category, I will include both stock (4.1GHz, Turbo Core to 4.3~4.4GHz) & moderately overclocked (@ 4.7GHz) results, reason is as a mild tweaker it's impossible not to overclock a setup while u know what it is capable of. The overclocked setup details (voltages, HTT, multipliers & etc settings as per screenshot pf HyperPi 32M), while for stock, I only tinker with the voltage for lowest possbile (but bench stable), all power saving & auto boost features like C&Q, C1E & Turbo Core were enabled. icon_rolleyes.gif


HyperPi 32M

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4.7GHz
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wPrime v2.09 1024M

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4.7GHz
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CineBench 11.5 CPU & OpenGL test

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4.7GHz
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Productivity & multimedia tests
Next up, let us go for multimedia & productivity tests, or i can simply say it means how well can the chip perform in our typical day-to-day tasks. Usually this is the category which doesn't bother me much (as a mild tweaker) coz I certainly wouldn't complaint if my movies encoding is seconds slower than my FX based pc or others fast Intel setups. But still, results are results so compare we must... tongue.gif

PCMark 7

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4.7GHz
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X264 FHD Benchmark

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4.7GHz
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Memory tests
Memory benchmark can be boring to those who are not interested but it is one of the "IN" things for overclockers. I'd like to apologize as I'm not able to churn out fantastic results, 2400MHz @ CL 10 (2T) is what I managed with my limited skills. I'm sure with better modules & knowledge, others will have better mileage. One good improvement Richland had over its predecessor (Trinity) is the capability of running IMC (CPU NB) & ram frequency @ 2400MHz while iGPU is overlocked @ > 1GHz. If my memory serve me well, I didn't manage to get all (IMC & ram freq as well as iGPU clock) overclocked at the same time on Trinity, but with Richland, I managed to have best of the 3 worlds... rclxm9.gif

AIDA64 Extreme memory tests


Memory Write

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Memory Read

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* continue from Memory tests


Memory Copy

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Memory latency

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I/O performance
Some might be keen to know how FM2 platform perform on IO testes. While not being as fast as Intel in term of speed, FM2 offers competitive performance. Pardon me as I include only Crystal Disk Mark while there are alot more tools available out there, besides, I/O tests never a forte of mine... tongue.gif

Crystal Disk Mark

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3D & Gaming performance
Here we are at the most interesting part in an APU review - 3D & gaming. Like its predecessor, Trinity, Richland continue to shine in iGPU performance. Architecture wise there's not much changes if we were to compare HD 7660D (Trinity) & HG 8670D (Richland). A small bump in iGPU core frequency (from 800MHz to 844MHz), shader processing units increased from 380 to 384, improved DirectX support (11.1 vs 11) & GPU memory has been boosted from 1866MHz to 2133MHz (sharing with system memory) are few noticeable features Richland had over Trinity. Do note that stock hybrid crossfire results are not posted not because I missed out the tests, it was more of BIOS/Driver issue which causing improper number of GPU detected (in this case 3GPUs instead of 2) ONLY when everything is on AUTO. When EVERYTHING is overclocked, proper number of GPU are shown. rclxub.gif


3DMark 11

6800K @ 4300MHz + HD 8670 @ stock (844MHz)
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6800K @ 4700MHz + HD 8670 @ 1013MHz
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6800K @ 4700MHz + HD 8670 @ 1013MHz crossfire w/ 6670 @ 900MHz/1050MHz/
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3DMark 2013 - Firestrike

6800K @ 4300MHz + HD 8670 @ stock (844MHz)
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6800K @ 4700MHz + HD 8670 @ 1013MHz
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6800K @ 4700MHz + HD 8670 @ 1013MHz crossfire w/ 6670 @ 900MHz/1050MHz/
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BioShock Infinite

6800K @ 4300MHz + HD 8670 @ stock (844MHz)
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6800K @ 4700MHz + HD 8670 @ 1013MHz
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6800K @ 4700MHz + HD 8670 @ 1013MHz crossfire w/ 6670 @ 900MHz/1050MHz/
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Resident Evil 6

6800K @ 4300MHz + HD 8670 @ stock (844MHz)
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6800K @ 4700MHz + HD 8670 @ 1013MHz
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6800K @ 4700MHz + HD 8670 @ 1013MHz crossfire w/ 6670 @ 900MHz/1050MHz/
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Power consumption & Temperature

OK, I'm sure some if not most of us are interested to know the power consumption & temperature Richland. Being an APU, it's very important to be efficient coz most of the time it will be use in HTPC, where energy efficiency matter the most, so as temperature (since HTPC cases are with limited air flow). I'm using BioShock Infinite as the reference program for reasons as follow: it supports multi-core processing (Yes, I get 4 cores max load @ 100%) as well as multi-GPU (for crossfire setup). One might argue it's not as heavy as Prime95/OCCT/Unigene or other more reputable stressing program but honestly speaking not alot of people will prime or run OCCT on their HTPC while Unigine stresses more on GPU. icon_rolleyes.gif

For wattage measurement, I used Zalman ZM-MFC3 to get the reading during idle/load. Do note that different setup will give different power consumption, one can take this as guide ONLY since components used will greatly effect the wattage consumed. The readings below are inclusive of the parts & peripherals mentioned in post 1. While temperature wise, I referred to temperatures shown in HWinfo64/GPU-Z, might not be the most accurate (again) but quite reliable in my book. wink.gif

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The power consumption is not super accurate but it is within 5% to 8% measurable difference between the ZM-MFC3 and the Kill-A-Watt we use for load testing.  It's not perfect, but it is close enough for most people.

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6800K + 8670D stock (AUTO)

Idle readings
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Idle wattage reading @ Zalman MFC3
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Load readings
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Load wattage reading @ Zalman MFC3
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6800K + 8670D stock (OC)

Idle readings
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Idle wattage reading @ Zalman MFC3
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Load readings
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Load wattage reading @ Zalman MFC3
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continue from previous post...

6800K + Crossfire (OC)

Idle readings
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Idle wattage reading @ Zalman MFC3
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Load readings
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Load wattage reading @ Zalman MFC3
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Final Thoughts

APU from AMD is getting more & more interesting. While being quite similar to its predecessor - Trinity, Richland might not have a Wow! factor considering Trinity was pretty impressive. Apart from a small speed bump on CPU & iGPU frequency, improved memory controller, newer DX support, some might see the need for them to upgrade from their previous gen APU in Trinity. But... (yes, there is always a "but"), if one dive deep into what 6800K can offer, he/she might change his/her mind. You might ask why, so here are all my find outs after playin with the chip for almost 2 months... brows.gif

On CPU performance part
While being only slightly faster in Turbo mode (4.4GHz vs 4.2GHz offered by Trinity), AMD managed to keep the rate TDP @ same wattage, which is 100W. A 200MHz boost won't turn Richland into a world beater but I will always welcome higher frequency w/o compromising power consumption & temperature. Richland is able to handle daily tasks like web browsing, word processing, light VM (using VMware player) testing & etc effortlessly. thumbup.gif

On iGPU performance part
Again, while being 44MHz faster than its predecessor, the integrated GPU - 8670D is just a merely overclocked 7660D (iGPU in Trinity 5800K). But make no mistake, decent game like BioShock Infinite (plus few more which are not included like Dirt3, DMC, Diablo 3, Bastion *special thanks to bro cloudwan for d gift, CS-GO) can be ran at decent frame rate @ 720~1080p with some compromise on graphic quality, impressive enough for a integrated graphic solution. If more firepower needed, additional reinforcement in 6670D can be deployed. The hybrid crossfire setup managed to handle at least medium~ high setting in those mentioned games. And with the new crossfire compatibility with AMD HD7750 (source), 8670D can form a very potent combo for a decent entry level gaming PC with minimum cost. notworthy.gif

On Power consumption & temperature part
If 7660D was star that stole the limelight in Trinity, I'd say power consumption, or at least the low voltage capability is the highlight of Richland. I noticed that Richland need significantly lower volt to achieve same clock as my previous 5800K. On stock (AUTO), the whole CPU (inclusive of all peripherals) pulled a 139W (on load) from the power socket, quite good for an APU with relatively strong iGPU. Pls bear in mind there's no undervolting done yet, & AMD tends to put higher stock voltage on all their chips. Most of the time their chips managed to run @ lower volt while being totally stable. If the ability to run higher clock (than default) with low voltage is not convincing enough, then perhaps the "cool" factor might be too hard to resist. With an entry level all-in-one cooler (CM Seidon 120M with pretty slow fan in F12) sitting on top of the chip, it run very cool @ 52.5'C on load @ a moderately overclocked speed 4.7GHz (*refer table 4) in a very cramped casing (QS-200 Lite). I strongly believe even with decent low profile cooler the chip wont be having (too) high load temp. smile.gif

On Overclockability & tweakability part
If what mentioned above are good enough, then overclockability & tweakability offered by Richland would be the icing on the cake. I know it's sorta double edge sword when it comes to overclocking/tweaking a setup. Some read up & times required to squeeze every MHz outta chip/ram/cpu nb are needed but if you're doing right, you'll be able to reap the reward. The 6800K is a sweet chip to tweak with, I managed to pass HyperPi 32M with 5GHz, with minor tweaks plus the help of my room's old air cond (@ 24'C) (i run the test with air cond on, not that I cooled the chip directly with it laugh.gif ). Apart from going gun-ho on CPU frequency, a more balanced setup can be stroke, like having 2400MHz on ram & cpu nb and higher iGPU frequency (> 1GHz). With voltage & temperature are playing nice, one can have alot of combinations of overlocked setup to suite their computing needed. For example, for gaming intensive setup, one can have high iGPU frequency while keeping ram and/or cpu nb @ 2133MHz, while for those with stronger discrete GPU can push CPU & Ram frequency all the way to their limits. Yes, it might sound too easy on paper while not a walk in the park practically, but with a decent OC friendly board in ASUS F2A85-M Pro (or any other reputable FM2 mainboards), overclocking or tweaking an FM2 rig can be real fun (at least CPU, iGPU & CPU NB part, ram tweaking can be PITA sometimes). If one doesn't overlock, he/she can still play with undervolting to keep them as low as possible while being stable, good for saving electricity bill (though i doubt it will make much difference tongue.gif ) & keeping everything cooled. rclxms.gif

Last but not least, I would like to extend my gratitude to AMD SG for sending me the wonderful 6800K chip, as well as ASUS SG for their technical supports whenever they're in need. I hope this quick test (OK, not so quick after almost 2 months of testing sweat.gif ) can serve as a guide/reference for those who are interested to get an APU setup for themselves. Thank you very much for spending some of your precious time to read up this article, have a great day ahead... thumbup.gif

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Others related screenshot/info/pictures

That 5GHz attempt!!!

Previous attemp on 5800K

How the messy lair look like
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Ok pls post comment, thought or inquiry from this post onwards... icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jun 11 2013, 05:50 PM)
hope theres more benchies on the iGPU. and some overclocking on it with high mem to feed.
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noted on that sir, will try my best but lets not expect too much on mem oc as i'm just a mediocre mem tweaker. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jun 11 2013, 06:36 PM)
Eh remember u from two years ago with gskill flares 2k c7. Thats not something a mediocre ocer would have

lets c whether this is enough to game dota 2 lol. Think thats what everybody wants to know.
Gaming on sc2 n bf3 results would be nice.
sir, that pair of ram was loaned from sir louis & iirc d mileage i managed were nothing fantastic. neway, lets not dwell on d past. tongue.gif

i can try on dota 2, but SC2 & BF3 are out liao. i have D3 with me thou, should be closed enuf to SC2. wink.gif

QUOTE(akira8456 @ Jun 11 2013, 06:44 PM)
can crossfire with 7700 series?
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no, like what mentioned by ah boy, only 6670 & below are compatible for hybrid crossfire. smile.gif

QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Jun 11 2013, 07:04 PM)
nope, it still cfx with 6670
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QUOTE(bobkadir @ Jun 11 2013, 07:15 PM)
can't wait for results.hehe
lets not expect too much bro... but rest assured i'll try my best. sweat.gif

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Some updates:

hit by throttling issue even load temp is considerably low (@53'C), has raised this issue to ASUS. smile.gif

doin 4.4GHz with stock volt (1.325v) is nothing short of impressive... once d throttling issue sorted out then we might see nicer figures... hopefully... biggrin.gif

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does anyone know I'm a crossfire fans? i present u d return of d prodigal son - Sapphire 6670 1GB... tongue.gif

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d over-cramped qs 200 lite... sweat.gif

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throttling issue still there... mad.gif

HyperPi32M @ 4.4GHz | iGPU @ 1GHz | IMC @ stock | Ram @ 2400 (2T sad.gif )

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QUOTE(scwong93 @ Jun 15 2013, 03:29 AM)
what is the ppd for folding@home?
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sorry bro i dont really run folding@home. sad.gif

btw 4.7GHz done... smile.gif

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finally... smile.gif

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QUOTE(lovesystem777 @ Jun 21 2013, 02:56 PM)
gratz

only air cool?
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did it with cheaop aio in seidon 120m plus not so cold air cond (set @ 24'C). smile.gif

will do more test over d w.end, hopefully can complete by early next week. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(lovesystem777 @ Jun 29 2013, 12:16 AM)
keep up good work

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QUOTE(lovesystem777 @ Jul 8 2013, 05:59 PM)
im still new with amd system

mayb my next setup will b amd cuz of several factors

can u put close up pic ur pc setup?
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i will when i do d final wrap up. once d hybrid crossfire results are out (hopefully can complete by these 2 days) then i'm done. gotta warn u bout d lousy cable mgmt thou, it's another field where i fail miserably. laugh.gif
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Finally everything is done & dusted, sorry for d loooooooong delay... smile.gif

quick test on PCMark 8... smile.gif

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some quick comparison with intel i3 3250 which fall into same price range. biggrin.gif

AMD A10-6800K vs Intel Core i3-3250

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QUOTE(febreze2xxx @ Sep 9 2013, 11:41 AM)
Nice review. Anyway how much you can overclock your A10-5800K using air cooling. how much improvement when using hd7750 instead of hd6670.
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previous attempt on 5800k posted here:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/hardware-depot/2...-completed.html

6800k is like a 5800k on steroid if u ask me. superb oc headroom plus d need for lower wattage lead to lower temp... one thing to note thou, i noticed even 6800k hybrid crossfire setup gives better figure in 3d benchmark but in games somehow it's more laggy than 5800k. it's more of driver issue imo. sad.gif

i've no resources on hd7750 hence i can't really comment on d performance boost from 6670 to 7750. but regardless hybrid crossfire or not, 7750 still significantly better than a 6670. smile.gif
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QUOTE(febreze2xxx @ Sep 9 2013, 12:04 PM)
Thank You, Your article regarding A10-5800K superb. Not much difference in Trinity and Richland igp, so much better to stick up with 5800K until Kaveri is out. Anyway the hd6670 will throttle Richland igp if crossfire since it is slower a few hertz. Will be waiting for your Kaveri review.  thumbup.gif
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thx for d kind words mate. yup, igp wise, richland is almost similar to trinity. richland might not be d worthiest upgrade but good for those who need more firepower on cpu part. i reckon d chip has no problem running 4.7~4.8GHz for 24/7 provided it's properly cooled. smile.gif

kaveri would be fun but i'm not sure i'll enjoy d same luck to have d resources i had, fingers crossed... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(aric_68 @ Sep 14 2013, 01:06 PM)
hi bro, can A10 6800k crossfire with HD7750...???
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yes, but am not sure AMD have fixed gpu-z detection (>2 gpus) when hybrid crossfire enabled. i dun have any 6670/7750 with me nemore. smile.gif

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