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 Asset Allocation Investing using US ETF, Basic approach to asset Allocation ETF

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inchvbeam
post Nov 15 2014, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Oct 1 2014, 11:41 AM)
MNet,

Let me give you the SIMPLE VERSION.

If a person do ASSET ALLOCATION, for example, 60/40 = 60% stock and 40% bond.  If the stock went up and exceed the ratio aka 65/35, you sell 5% of your asset in stock and buy bond to bring down to 60/40.  And, vice versa.  This is THE MAGIC.  You do not have to watch the market.  The FIXED RATIO will tell you.  Pension fund like EPF/KWSP and insurance companies invest this way.

A person either do ANNUAL re-balancing or re-balanced when the investment is off the ratio too much.

I had DETAILED EXPLANATION of either approaches on THIS THREAD.

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Hi Dreamer101 & forumers,

would like to draw your attention to the plausible estate tax if you were to hold more than 60K of equities/ bonds with a US-based broker house like Interactive broker.

http://andrewhallam.com/2010/11/how-britis...comment-page-8/
http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150851
inchvbeam
post Nov 16 2014, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 16 2014, 07:15 AM)
Thanks for sharing this.

It seems like only US situ assets would fall under the Estate Tax as a non-resident (ie US domiciled ETFs, cash in broker account)

You could get around this by buying ETFs from different exchanges

Eg. Instead of SPY, buy VUSA (GBP) / VUSD (USD) on the LSE - this also gets around the 30% Withholding tax a bit - as the ETF is Ireland domiciled it internally pays 15% rather than 30% in its holding and dividends are paid out gross.

I'll worry about this when I get older, if I were to die tomorrow I don't think anyone would know where I have my savings / broker accounts anyway  sweat.gif
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Hi rjb123, thanks for replying.


I have found another thread http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150851 which could stir your interest.

Yes you are definitely correct about the the purchase of perhaps VWRD, a non-US domiciled ETF which results in a 15% taxation instead of a 30% taxation for US domiciled ETF.

However, the risks that Im highlighting is regards to the purchase of ETFs using a US-based broker such as Interactive broker. Even if it's non-US domiciled, there could be a chance that YOUR assets that IB holding is subjected to estate law.

Btw do you use interactive broker? Im so much leaning to use that platform
inchvbeam
post Nov 16 2014, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 16 2014, 11:29 AM)
Well from what I read on the estate taxes - US domiciled ETFs are classed as US situ assets, as is cash kept in a broker account, so one should be able to stay underneath the $60K threshold by switching some holdings over to ETFs not traded on USA exchanges , such as Ireland domiciled, or Luxembourg domiciled.

As you get older it would also be possible to transfer holdings out to another broker - eg. TD International (Luxembourg) I have an account there too but it's not currently being used due to the high trading fees - however it may be an option to transfer there later (I'm only 27, not too concerned about estate tax yet!)

Yes - I have Interactive Brokers, TD Ameritrade, TD International (not used yet)

VUSA/VUSD actually has lower expense ratio by 0.02% than SPY for example, only downside is trading charges are a bit higher on LSE compared to US markets. Anyway with IB you have plenty of options, can build up portfolio of ETFs which aren't US domiciled then when getting older transfer over to Luxembourg based broker for example.

Other option seems to be to set up an IBC or trust offshore and hold your investments there .. might be worth looking at if holdings become large
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Hi rjb123,

My participation bogleheads forum (http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=150851&p=2260381#p2260381) has also helped shed light that IB is transiting its non-US investors to IB UK. While we have ascertained that non-US domiciled ETF should not be subjected to estate tax, it could certainly give us a higher (perhaps less significant) level of certainty and confidence for us to continue using IB.

The official IB announcement can be found here: https://ibkb.interactivebrokers.com/article/2016
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post Nov 16 2014, 05:01 PM

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@rjb123, thanks much for sharing. May i know why would you use TD when the rates are so much higher than IB. Furthermore, though IB has fixed annual commission of $120USD, considering its tight spread for FX rates, it should still be competitive.
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post Nov 17 2014, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 16 2014, 08:34 PM)
TDAM I use for commission free ETF and enrolled in DRIP which IB doesn't offer

FYI, IB charge is waived with balances over $100K
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Hi rjb123, may I know what ETFs are you currently vested in?
inchvbeam
post Nov 22 2014, 10:21 PM

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Hi rjb123, you r not vested in bond etf?
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post Nov 26 2014, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(rjb123 @ Nov 26 2014, 01:59 PM)
I have some BND

But still quite cash heavy at present - ready for any dips  thumbup.gif
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Hi may I know why would u be vested in only US bonds? I thought for the bonds portion, we should be tilting the allocation to home country?
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post Dec 1 2014, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Nov 28 2014, 10:24 PM)
the99percent1,

I DO NO THINK that you get IT.

Let's say that the ratio is 50/50 and you are putting $1,000 into your asset allocation every month.  How could ANYTHING that you said will happen?? Show us...

<Asset location does not make sense. At what point do you adjust your ratios? One day? a week? a month? >>

If you READ the whole thread, you will know that it is either

A) Once a year

or

B) Based on the 5/25 re-balancing rule.

<< A better way of doing this is to time your ETF investment at a good entry point and leave it 100% as Stock.. When markets begin to shift, then switch some to Bonds or buy up cheaper ETFS..>>

This is BASED a BIG ASSUMPTION.  A person know when to TIME the MARKET.  99+% of the people DO NOT KNOW. MAJORITY of the fund managers DO NOT KNOW either.

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may i know wad does dreamer101 thinks abt investment in bond funds?

inchvbeam
post Dec 2 2014, 10:05 PM

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wow Dreamer, u r a US resident?

 

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