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TSIggyBug
post Jun 8 2013, 12:11 AM, updated 13y ago

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Hello. I know Malaysians love football, especially the Malays and Indians, but how come we still cannot qualify ourselves for a spot in World Cup? What do you think is the main problem? What do you think should be done to fix this? And last but not least, is there any future for Malaysian football?
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post Jun 8 2013, 12:14 AM

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a little of digging in this forum wont hurt. this topic has been discussed to death.
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post Jun 8 2013, 12:18 AM

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especially Malays and Indians??? doh.gif
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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Jun 8 2013, 12:18 AM)
especially Malays and Indians??? doh.gif
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ni apa benda pulak ni. ni punca thread kena close ni.
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post Jun 8 2013, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(Lynixx @ Jun 8 2013, 12:18 AM)
especially Malays and Indians??? doh.gif
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Well IMO Chinese are more interested in basketball... And not much Chinese in national team...
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post Jun 8 2013, 02:51 AM

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QUOTE(IggyBug @ Jun 8 2013, 12:23 AM)
Well IMO Chinese are more interested in basketball... And not much Chinese in national team...
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doesnt mean that less chinese love football
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everything..from top to the bottom.
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post Jun 8 2013, 04:39 AM

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QUOTE(ToddStarz @ Jun 8 2013, 02:51 AM)
doesnt mean that less chinese love football
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Maybe he meant local or national football team.
SUSking of fighter
post Jun 8 2013, 05:08 AM

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dah bincang banyak kali sangat dah benda ni..

senang citer kau tanya la coach syazwan, coach aressandro, coach ayanami_tard (ini semua coach yang agak negatif dah macam putus asa dah dengan FAM).. kau nak komen positif pergi cari coach HangPC2 tanya pendapat dia.. dia sentiasa je ada dimana-mana di internet ni kawan dia dari seluruh dunia pun ramai terutamanya dari jepun dan thailand, benda-benda sukan je dia suka post kat facebook dia.. gila dah dia ni fanatik melampau dengan sukan.

sejujurnya kami semua nak sangat tengok Malaysia menang piala dunia, tapi kalau asyik kami je yang bagi cadangan, komen dan macam-macam lagi.. FAM masih camtu je, pemain pula asyik dok buat buat masalah disiplin, makan pun tak nak jaga walhal dah taraf atlet negara dah susah la camni.. usaha kena betul-betul keras dan berterusan dari semua pihak, kami kat sini paling kuat boleh buat pun ialah usaha tarik minat rakyat Malaysia datang ke stadium sokong industri bola sepak, yang lain tu kena usaha berterusan dari pihak lain juga.

ada forumer kat sini yang sudah putus asa dah suruh boikot semua perlawanan Malaysia.. entah la, pada aku itu bukan cara sebenarnya untuk kita capai misi sebenar kita dapat menang piala dunia suatu hari nanti sebab hanya jauhari yang kenal manikam, hanya peminat yang datang turun tengok sendiri di stadium lebih mengetahui baik buruknya pasukan Malaysia berbanding hanya dok mengharap pihak ketiga iaitu seperti hanya baca di surat khabar, internet atau tengok kat TV.
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post Jun 8 2013, 09:48 AM

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Get politicians and leaders out of FAM and let football experts take over, abolish the 'only president can comment on the team' policy. Too much politics in our football.
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post Jun 8 2013, 11:03 AM

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I think the problem is everywhere. From the top brass to the normal citizen. For example no home support, no gate receipts, equal to no money and no budget for grass-root development. Have to rely on sponsor, FAM allocation, state money forever which is in the end related to politician.

As for FAM, there's nothing to explain. Their problem is well-known. Hopefully KJ can do something.
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post Jun 8 2013, 04:00 PM

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first and foremost sorry if i offended anybody, just my view on this

i've seen my cut during my high school days on how,
that the bumis does get extra privilege,
i have seen a couple of my friend pretty damm talented, but they did not get the nod over them set of peeps
all this small issues, may seem small, but in the long term and over the years...
it has in a way alienate the chinese crop of players in participating in malaysian football.
and i personally feel, malaysians are missing out on this.

some may argue, that we did not put enough effort to be seen or express ourself..but i think it is what it is.
my pov may seem dumb, but yeh...thats just what i saw during my high school days.
life is never fair i guess.



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post Jun 8 2013, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 8 2013, 05:08 AM)
dah bincang banyak kali sangat dah benda ni..

senang citer kau tanya la coach syazwan, coach aressandro, coach ayanami_tard (ini semua coach yang agak negatif dah macam putus asa dah dengan FAM).. kau nak komen positif pergi cari coach HangPC2 tanya pendapat dia.. dia sentiasa je ada dimana-mana di internet ni kawan dia dari seluruh dunia pun ramai terutamanya dari jepun dan thailand, benda-benda sukan je dia suka post kat facebook dia.. gila dah dia ni fanatik melampau dengan sukan.

sejujurnya kami semua nak sangat tengok Malaysia menang piala dunia, tapi kalau asyik kami je yang bagi cadangan, komen dan macam-macam lagi.. FAM masih camtu je, pemain pula asyik dok buat buat masalah disiplin, makan pun tak nak jaga walhal dah taraf atlet negara dah susah la camni.. usaha kena betul-betul keras dan berterusan dari semua pihak, kami kat sini paling kuat boleh buat pun ialah usaha tarik minat rakyat Malaysia datang ke stadium sokong  industri bola sepak, yang lain tu kena usaha berterusan dari pihak lain juga.

ada forumer kat sini yang sudah putus asa dah suruh boikot semua perlawanan Malaysia.. entah la, pada aku itu bukan cara sebenarnya untuk kita capai misi sebenar kita dapat menang piala dunia suatu hari nanti sebab hanya jauhari yang kenal manikam, hanya peminat yang datang turun tengok sendiri di stadium lebih mengetahui baik buruknya pasukan Malaysia berbanding hanya dok mengharap pihak ketiga iaitu seperti hanya baca di surat khabar, internet atau tengok kat TV.
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xabih2 ngan Malaysia menang World Cup doh.gif mmg la bgus positive thinking tp kne tau realiti dan angan2..sblum berangan Malaysia mng World Cup, baik target pd Piala Asia dulu. lagi satu, aku xprnah dgr pun misi or visi Malaysia utk menang World Cup..klu nak layak ke World Cup tu adela sweat.gif

BTW, aku prasan gak kurang pnglibatan kaum Cina dlm bolasepak ni. Ape sebab eh? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Quick` @ Jun 8 2013, 04:00 PM)
first and foremost sorry if i offended anybody, just my view on this

i've seen my cut during my high school days on how,
that the bumis does get extra privilege,
i have seen a couple of my friend pretty damm talented, but they did not get the nod over them set of peeps
all this small issues, may seem small, but in the long term and over the years...
it has in a way alienate the chinese crop of players in participating in malaysian football.
and i personally feel, malaysians are missing out on this.

some may argue, that we did not put enough effort to be seen or express ourself..but i think it is what it is.
my pov may seem dumb, but yeh...thats just what i saw during my high school days.
life is never fair i guess.
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i'm playing with sunday evening club where some of them are lowyat members and most of em are chinese.

(malays less than 4 i think)

u were saying?

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post Jun 8 2013, 05:01 PM

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strangely this problem does not effect indians.

considering they are the minority compare to malay and chinese , they are quite actively visible in local football.

most of top coaches in our country are indians. and they have strong participation in harimau muda and national team.

they also have teams in 1MCC youht league as well. i did not notice any chinese teams. i also notice some indian clubs in my area.

the same also can be noticed during youth talent scout shows like myteam and soccerkids. even if the patron of the program is dato chan and the coaches and selectors are mat salleh, still no chinese kids shows up. all just malay or indian.

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Jun 8 2013, 04:47 PM)
i'm playing with sunday evening club where some of them are lowyat members and most of em are chinese.

(malays less than 4 i think)

u were saying?
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uhh, i am talking about school days story
not sure what club are u refering to, and if they are professional footballers earning wages
or just a for fun club, i to have a few friends playing in clubs..but it is more like a hobby thing, not a career.

of course there are still plenty of chinese playing football i am not saying non, i myself do
but from the local league itself, not sure there is much chinese players compared to back then.
reason to this, they ain't good enough? maybe...i dont know.





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post Jun 9 2013, 07:06 AM

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I think race isn't really the issue. Mentality might be, but that's another story. Just look at our Harimau Muda and U-23 head coach, Ong Kim Swee. He has pretty successful career, arguably one of better coach and tactician in Malaysia football.

I hope someday somebody can forward the same question to him, intriguing to hear his take on this matter as he has been in the scene for nearly two decades.
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its not all about management side. The players itself must have great technical and different mind set. Look at nazmi faiz he got the chance to play outside at portugal. He is still young (at age of 19) but cameback to play at Malaysia for several of reasons. Most players from country that qualify for worldcup start at young age. 8-13 they develop technical skills at age 15 they already played as a team with tactics. Our country still develop individual skills until 15-18. Chinese malay indian can be great player. But it depends on surrounding support (Especially family) and themself also. Im suprise where at England they started intensive technical and teamwork clinic at age of 13?. Our player age 13 still develop individual play.

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Football is football, politics is politics. But bringing racism into football? Oh god.
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No, you don't have to classify everything that related to races as racism. That will change nothing, instead will will be counter-productive. This is the reality, valid concern in our local football.

Though i admit it have nothing to do with the main issue here -- Why we can't qualify for World Cup? I think zk9 hit the bull's eye there.
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the FAM to take full blame.

during the 80's japan FA send a team to learn from malaysia league. japan just start their league that time ...

today where is japan?

nothing much to achieve actually except become the 1st team to reach brazil only after the host.

btw, dont ask me migrate to japan k tongue.gif

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Well...
To have a developed sports industry, it has to start with the grassroots.
alot of questions can be ask and banter here.
ultimately, it's how the government and the sporting bodies want.
With not many chinese in the football sence, i don't think it's due to any racisms issues. It's a simple facts that footballer locally can't earn what their parents want them to.
if you ask why isn't there support in the local football, the reason is simple. nobody know who is playing in the teams. there isn't a "super star" to get peoples attention. there isn't enough effort to help mass audiences to know the players and the team. you can see alot of "EPL fans" . now ask urself, why do you support a team that is thousands of miles away then a local team? reasons... you know all the players and informations from those teams is easily accessable. Steps to build the local league is in place and going to the right direction. it takes time. Astro Arena a channel that show local sports is putting alot of efforts to get information across and there's certain impacts. fan bases in certain area increase and all.
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i think the mentality of waiting for one central body to do everthing and blaming them for everthing is one root of the root cause.

putting all our eggs in one basket with the kind of basket we have will not take us anywhere.

instead of waiting to change the basket, why not we create other baskets to put some of our egss at the same time.
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Well say!
many countries got sicked of the central body and created a different league and body. (just like indonesia)
the root cause is money. without money, there's no industry.
FIFA doesn't allow any countries to have 2 governing bodies.
All this create a situation of where everyone accused everyone and the industry goes down hill from there. (look at hockey in india)
Mass Media need to promote the sports.
Imagine if all the mass media is covering "Malaysia League" with more contents then "BPL". it would be the time people start looking at the local soccer again.
Like i say, informations need to be accessible to everyone easily.
Astro has put in alot of money to make Malaysia Super League Fantasy League game available. anyone here is playing?
there's efforts putting into getting soccer across to more audiences right now from what i see. It would be slow but everything is in the pipeline.


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i do not mean we have to create rival mother association. that is not right and has been proved to be counter destructive on many cases.

fam exclusive roles are to organize the league and handle the senior and age groups natonal teams.

that only need to be handled by one party but other parts need not be.

for instance grass root development. right now all our eggs on general thinking are on harimau muda basket. thats very limiting. there are no one medicine fits all in football development. eventhough harimau muda brings the best result atm, its crucial that other parties try other method as well.

for instace kelantan adopt japenese style. kedah try brazilian. sabah and sarawak try portoguese (see timor leste). in the end the best of this independent development pockets will create an almagm in the senior national team.

the fabric of our football stucture is very autonomous on it roots but it is strangly very centrally dependant. it should not be as we are not franchise system ala us. our football is not own by fam.

the same can be said about football marketing. the days where we all wait for press conference from wisma fam for list of stars for we to idolize are long over.

with the age social media we can take care of that ourselves. and it prove to be working. stadiums in johor and pahang always full at the back of fans initiative.

see how indie music scene developed and sustained and try to take that essence to create indie football fan scene. where one does it simply out of love , passion and sincirety without giving a damn about returns , glamour or mainstream glory.

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the answer equal to : why we can not produce own gadget...why we must import cellphone, TV

what the different malay people with japanese is the answer
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post Jun 15 2013, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(ardeenardeen @ Jun 12 2013, 07:37 PM)
the answer equal to : why we can not produce own gadget...why we must import cellphone, TV

what the different malay people with japanese is the answer
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bangsa jepun adalah hasil perkahwinan bangsa melayu silam + cina silam tapi bina bina budaya, bahasa dan penulisan mereka sendiri..
dulu masa diaorang dapat mesin enigma gempak dari nazi jerman pun, diaorang tak nak guna terus nak modify ikut cara diaorang sendiri (jati diri diaorang amat kuat hingga sekarang tak ada siapa boleh sangkal akan bab ni, semua benda diaorang nak buat cara diaorang sendiri, beza dengan kita terlampau agongkan bangsa luar dan merendah-rendahkan martabat orang sendiri sampai lemah habis semangat orang sendiri.. sesuatu yang aku amat kesalkan sampai sekarang sad.gif )

macam taiwan juga melayu kahwin cina tapi taiwan lebih banyak dipengaruhi oleh cina.. geng korea pula percaya mereka asal dari mongolia yang ganas-ganas tu kahwin cina.. kalau tak kahwin dua-dua bangsa ni .. jadi malas dan tak maju-maju.. kau pergi negara cina.. rupa-rupanya diaorang jauh lebih pemalas dari cina malaysia.. dalam filem je nampak gempak, nampak rajin sungguh, skill gempak-gempak tapi realiti sweat.gif , cam geng korea, dalam kdrama nampak cantik je belaka, pergi jejak korea, semuanya terlampau sepet, jauh lebih sepet dari cina malaysia.. cina malaysia lagi cantik rupa dia dari geng korea doh.gif

kesimpulan dia kita kena lebih banyak bergaul, bincang sama-sama, buat kerja sama-sama dan usaha sama-sama untuk berjaya, jangan dok salahkan orang lain je kerja dia.. sampai bila pun tak maju maju.. macam Adolf Hitler pernah cakap dulu.. kita hanya boleh keluar dari krisis ekonomi yang amat teruk jika semua mainkan peranan mereka masing-masing.. jangan anggap diri kita amat miskin, amat susah.. apabila kita terserempak mereka yang susah dimana-mana sahaja, terus tolong dia dengan apa jua yang termampu sebagai saudara senegara kita, jangan biarkan saudara kita mati kebuluran.. jumpa orang kurang ajar, ingat diri dia sudah hebat sangat dan cuba tindas saudara kita paling kurang bagi je penumbuk ke muka diaorang ni semua (adolf hitler punya cara pergi cari sampai ke lubang cacing lintah darat yahudi yang tindas bangsa jerman sampai diaorang jadi amat miskin, papa kedana.. tapi rasanya kita tak perlu sampai ke tahap macam ni)

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QUOTE(king of fighter @ Jun 15 2013, 11:54 PM)
bangsa jepun adalah hasil perkahwinan bangsa melayu silam + cina silam tapi bina bina budaya, bahasa dan penulisan mereka sendiri..
dulu masa diaorang dapat mesin enigma gempak dari nazi jerman pun, diaorang tak nak guna terus nak modify ikut cara diaorang sendiri (jati diri diaorang amat kuat hingga sekarang tak ada siapa boleh sangkal akan bab ni, semua benda diaorang nak buat cara diaorang sendiri, beza dengan kita terlampau agongkan bangsa luar dan merendah-rendahkan martabat orang sendiri sampai lemah habis semangat orang sendiri.. sesuatu yang aku amat kesalkan sampai sekarang  sad.gif )
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