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post Jun 11 2013, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(SYAMiLLiON @ Jun 11 2013, 01:03 PM)
This version still sold now? Where u buy and how much? Sold becoz of upgrade or not into indoor trainer? Got complain or can give short review? I'm sorry if I ask too much tongue.gif Just want to make sure my investment worth it.
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miao can never be satisfied... i think that answers it all...
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(SYAMiLLiON @ Jun 11 2013, 01:03 PM)
This version still sold now? Where u buy and how much? Sold becoz of upgrade or not into indoor trainer? Got complain or can give short review? I'm sorry if I ask too much tongue.gif Just want to make sure my investment worth it.
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not anymore. superceded by RDA80. i bought it used for RM350 (i think). so i suppose the retail price was RM4xx. or RM3xx close to 400.

it was okay. my only worry was if the belt snapped. i sold it becase i found trainers to be extremely boring.
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Jun 11 2013, 12:38 PM)
the court of rejection...and it's motto is "if you can't handle it, don't come hia"
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Your kind advice grates my t!t, but still I am not discouraged! cool2.gif
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jun 11 2013, 01:09 PM)
i sold it becase i found trainers to be extremely boring.
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most things are boring except you know what...

QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Jun 11 2013, 01:10 PM)
Your kind advice grates my t!t, but still I am not discouraged! cool2.gif
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didn't know that i am a t!t grater...
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:40 PM

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been busy, no money buy things, rejected by miao, teased by bh, challenged by vin_ann....sure la disappear sad.gif

BUT u missed me.....I AM BACK! For a while
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Jun 11 2013, 01:10 PM)
Your kind advice grates my t!t, but still I am not discouraged! cool2.gif
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dafuq is this?
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(butthead @ Jun 11 2013, 01:13 PM)
most things are boring except you know what...
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rubik's cube?
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jun 11 2013, 01:40 PM)
been busy, no money buy things, rejected by miao, teased by bh, challenged by vin_ann....sure la disappear sad.gif

BUT u missed me.....I AM BACK! For a while
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where got reject..... i only said u were weird
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jun 11 2013, 01:45 PM)
where got reject..... i only said u were weird
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still a form of rejection

would this make u like me better?

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post Jun 11 2013, 01:50 PM

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post Jun 11 2013, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jun 11 2013, 01:40 PM)
BUT u missed me.....I AM BACK! For a while
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just to set things straight, only syam missed you...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jun 11 2013, 01:43 PM)
dafuq is this?
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user posted image and he likes it...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jun 11 2013, 01:44 PM)
rubik's cube?
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that is not boring but frustrating...

QUOTE(miaopurr @ Jun 11 2013, 01:45 PM)
where got reject..... i only said u were weird
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in a way rejecting him as a normal person...
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post Jun 11 2013, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Jun 11 2013, 01:48 PM)
still a form of rejection

would this make u like me better?

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wats tat... loser's light saber?
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QUOTE(butthead @ Jun 11 2013, 01:51 PM)
wats tat... loser's light saber?
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for miao to play


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post Jun 11 2013, 01:53 PM

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..on pro racing..just to understands more on the tactical aspect of the tour.

Ow does a domestique rider helps his teammate to try to recover after gotten distanced in an uphill battle? Is it more to do pace setting him and limit the damages, as I dun see any advantages in drafting...no?

Also...How does the work cuts out for a domestique rider in neutralizing an attack?
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post Jun 11 2013, 02:12 PM

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serious stuff. better wait BH to tell u. i have no idea about the world of bike racing.
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post Jun 11 2013, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(Mac Wai @ Jun 11 2013, 01:53 PM)
..on pro racing..just to understands more on the tactical aspect of the tour.

Ow does a domestique rider helps his teammate to try to recover after gotten distanced in an uphill battle? Is it more to do pace setting him and limit the damages, as I dun see any advantages in drafting...no?

Also...How does the work cuts out for a domestique rider in neutralizing an attack?
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racing is a dynamic thing... there is no rulebook on how to make or counter a play... it is up to the genious of the director sportiff too cook up shit on the fly...

you can't just look at it like that...

usually, the rouleurs would cover the flats on a mountain stage early on and depending on situation... try to last as long as possible until the climbs begin.. they will be in charge of chasing important breaks down or countering any sort of moves... if the DS makes it hard for them and wants them to push the pace hard, then they might wear out even faster than expected...

and if the captain is feeling good that day... the DS might actually order a rider to follow a breakaway so that the captain would have someone up the road ahead of the race in case he needs him later in the stage... like Andy Schleck on the Galibier stage 18 in 2011 where he attacked 60K from the finish

once comes the climbs the super domestiques or climbers would take their turn to pace the team up the climbs...

usually, if the pace is hard enough... the domestiques would be spent by the last climb of the day leaving their captain to make an all out run up the last ascend of the day...so, if the captain is unlucky and get dropped... he is usually without much help at all and has to do the damage limitation himself.. if he is lucky to have someone close by... the domestique will be in charge of pacing his captain back up the climb whether to limit his time loses or regain contact again...

for instance, LA at 2003 Luz Ardiden... you see his team (i think tyler at that time waiting for him to have him blasting past the lead group after he took a tumble with iban mayo on the last climb of the day)


or like carlos sastre in 2008 up alpe d'huez where everyone's eyes was on frank schleck as he was wearing the maillot jaune... and carlos sastre suddenly attacked out of nowhere and bjarne riis ordered both his boys to sit in the chasing group trying to tow onto the ragged cadel evans and sink him...


or 2007 when Contador had Popovych towing the team up plateau de beille and then leipheimer attacking to thin out the leaders group to set a base for contador to launch on...


sometimes unusually though is that the GC riders have their main men beside them at the last climb all the way like 2003 where i remember lance had the angry menonite with him before descending the last climb into the finish...

and on certain times, like 2006 where floyd actually blasted away some 100k before the finish to chase down a couple of riders and then win the stage himself just to find that he was caught with testosterone that unfortunate day...


and bad times like the same year where floyd lost 10 minutes in just 1 single stage and only having the struggling axel merckx to ride his ass off back to him to pace him up the final climb


in summary, there is no who, how, when and where... it is a game of chess and there is no guides on how to play the chess pieces... jus pure creativity on the road...
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post Jun 11 2013, 02:29 PM

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very serious stuff.

have Mac Wai ever draft in peloton over long distance? If yes, you would know half of your answer on your question asked.
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post Jun 11 2013, 02:32 PM

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in recent years... you can see that if a team is strong enough... like astana of 2009 and team sky of 2012 and this year...

they send the team out as a whole to control the race from the front when their GC man is in the lead... they will ride so hard that it disintegrates everyone and make it so hard for even their GC rivals to remotely make an attack move... the same tactic Lance Armstrong and Team USPS used to great effects in the late 1990s and early 2000's
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post Jun 11 2013, 02:32 PM

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that's why... lain kali learn from this

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post Jun 11 2013, 02:34 PM

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u wanna be a great sprinter? learn to dance

http://www.ciclismo-espresso.com/2013/06/i...was-dancer.html

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