maybe becuz saga price will start at 33888 :-)
PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX CLUB V45, new saga this sat? need to fix everyday!
PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX CLUB V45, new saga this sat? need to fix everyday!
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Jun 14 2013, 12:36 AM
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maybe becuz saga price will start at 33888 :-)
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Jun 16 2013, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(goohtj @ Jun 16 2013, 01:09 AM) 1 question for the DIYer on strengthening saga hi all,as ive been informed,the saga sv is actually to replace the n-line saga variant which missing in flx variant.anyone replace the soft metal bar at the front bumper? [located behind front bumper] l do find it is very soft, see, l had a small accident before when l knocked into a car's back the front end curved in . the front damage include radiator, aircond etc if the bar is more solid, then the unneccesory damages are reduced. act like a kangaroo bar but hidden inside.... the n-line saga had been exempted by jpj on compliancy of ece r94 and ece r95 which involve in protection mechanism,structural,material,design n etc for frontal collision n side impact on occupants. thats why u see structural reinforcement on saga sv,its actually comparing with the saga n-line previously. while other variants such as bline,mline for blm,standard,exec for fl n flx comply with it. however,the new improvement on the compliancy on ece r42 which is related to rear bumper, front bumper beam which now used foamless bumper beam system,made of high modulus poly propylene, n adding polypropylene foam in rear bumper. also include v shape bar bcoz need to comply with ece r17. same as 3rd 3 point seatbelt. ece r42 isnt compulsory in malaysia coz in europe,this related to thatcham insurancance requirements. ece r17 is new im malaysia,this year onwards,iinm,any new car entering malaysia must comply with atleast 54 ece r standards. it is more than 120++ece r standard. this is related to asean ncap being introduce. about incompliance with ece r94 n ece r95, u will be shock on how many cars are not compliance with those standard in malaysia,asean n even asia bcoz its not compulsory previously. but u can download from jpj website on the list. for prtn,only n-line blm is on the list. thats why u can see a lot reinforcement . even for baseline blm n mline blm. the diff is it has 3 points seatbelt,v shape bar n material used for bumpers. does drb bluffing? nope, what they r saying is true, coz compare to n-line blm,the cheapest blm. thats why standard version of flx still there. now,all standard,exec n se version, which call flx +, come with 3rd 3 point seatbelt, n v cage,n new bumper material. by the way,even its a standard or compulsory those car intended to be sold in euro, but euroncap never test rear impact,same as ancap or any other caps in the world. by the way,goodnews,not only frontal n side impact are compulsory in malaysia,but front n rear underride anyhow,everybody will get better car soon. just go n check list of cars exempted from ece r94 n ece r95 bcoz they dont comply@conform in jpj website. |
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Jun 16 2013, 11:35 AM
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vshape bar for luggage intrusion of at least18kg of impact of luggage during frontal accident,not for improve handling :-),what dares do bfore is for handling.
its not necessery to used v shape bar if they change the upper padding to rear seat,but that not cost efficient coz need to redesign. what u see is what they call homogolation. |
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Jun 16 2013, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 16 2013, 11:24 AM) can,but it tedious. no sc will do that coz no manufacturer will do that. but if u r willing to do diy,then can try bought it at prtn parts,but that takes time until the stock arrived. |
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Jun 17 2013, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 16 2013, 11:47 AM) yup,but many things to accomodate it,start with the backboard.but its good to knw somebdy asking which means u r wearing urs backseat belt when sitting behind. the v shape bar isnt for improve hbndling,neither strengthen the chasis, but for luggage instrussion strength which under unece homogolation. thats why its not thick. not under rear crash regulation at all. |
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Jun 18 2013, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 17 2013, 10:29 PM) No la, Proton is pakat with JPJ to come out with that list to tell Malaysian that, except Proton Saga N-Line, all Proton's model pawns continental in safety aspect. no lah,if not jpj will be sued then for giving wrong info. its parts of homogolation. n to conform with homogolation which not only covered on materials used,but also design n engineering. n then need to send to licenced body which given the authorithy by unece,adr n etc to validate such as idiada,then get the cert of compliency,b4 eligible to be sold in certain country n region.crash result is only based on dummy result, but standards more on structural constructions,becoz it also calculate on result of minor crash result n major,not only to occupant,also insurance company n pedestrian including repairing cost. to fullfil the standards,cost can easily increase to manufacturers,thats why tata nano even bcome pricier due to homogolation. look at tata nano euro concept,it looks dif due to homogolation. thats why some manufacturer has dif variant for euro n asia like honda. it is costly. even bumper design is diff for euro version n asia version,not only due to market need,but design homogolation. however,afaik,new city has met ecer94 n 95,same as new fiesta(new revision,not new model),same as mirage,almera n new model this year. actually,according to copliance to frontal under ece, the a pillar shouldnt snap during collision,even the dummy result showing ok coz we never know at what angle or degree the frontal acc will happen. the standards cover overall aspects. rather than certain aspects as in any ancap even for euroncap. |
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Jun 18 2013, 02:44 PM
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of course not bolted only on speaker board,the 3 point is bolted on the car chasis. with its mechanism. but the point is ready.but it tedious.
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Jun 19 2013, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(Aquariusdenz @ Jun 19 2013, 10:49 AM) I think i haven get use to cvt yet after owning the car more one month plus. How do you guys accelerate to overtake cars? When emergency want to overtake, i press the pedal until 4k rpm but coudnt feel the torque coming, i have to release a little then can feel the power. When i cant feel the power, its human natural tent to press more and the rpm suddenly shoot very fast after 4k rpm. Hope any cvt sifu can give some tips. conv at or manual,all ratios are fixed,the shifting between ratio causing the feeling sensation especially from od to low,like from 5th to 3rd, n 5th to 2nd will feel more than the first example, but from 5th to 4th will fell less cause the ratio is close,not as big as previous examplemeanwhile punch cvt using pulley to create ratio, one for low n one for high ratio. sometimes cvt is said as gearless @stepless. it can be said that cvt has indifinite ratio,countless ,but of coz,it has limit on min n max ratio,cant fell the jump or shift or step. just a smooth operator. is like having 30 speed gbox or more,the shifting is less felt the good thing is for od,cvt can used high ratio that reduce engine rpm at speed,if u compare the rpm for manual flx with cvt,the manual rev highr at 100kmh coz the last ratio must be set at suitable torque range so that it wont feel gutless n need to shit to lower gear to gain torque just to ovrtake a motorcycle for example. but give unsuitable ratio like resulting high rpm for last gear also can result poor fc,even good torque generated. while previous blm,the auto rpm isnt that much diff to manual coz its rely too much on engine torque. that is why there is saying ratio can create torque. dont worry,there is sat button or step auto trans,u can feel the stepping. |
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