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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX CLUB V45, new saga this sat? need to fix everyday!

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ruby1288
post Jun 17 2013, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 17 2013, 02:06 PM)
During end of the year 2011, I allocated RM80-90k to buy a new car, but in the end I bought a FLX SE. During the 11 months of ownership never once had I wish I had bought a dugong even when I can afford it.

End of 2012, I allocated same amount for a new car again, and again I never even considered a dugong.

Don't butthurt with your RM50k car. At least you didn't pay RM25k extra for a sh!t car.
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Yes, you are right.
To me, it did a decent job for me to be proud of. notworthy.gif
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post Jun 17 2013, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 17 2013, 02:45 PM)
Try compare a dugong and Saga ride feel, observe Dugong behavior over bumps, and release Saga tyre pressure until you get the same feeling as Dugong when go over bumps, i can ensure you will get the NVH same as Dugong NVH.
What pressures do you pump ? 200kpa ?
Mine 230 front 220 back.
In my opinion, works OK for me only cool2.gif
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post Jun 17 2013, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 17 2013, 03:12 PM)
Due to softer sidewall, my last CC5 tyre during cold i pump 220kpa front and back 200kpa also fine.
Now XM2 come with harder sidewall, hot i pump 210kpa front 190kpa back. If pump like CC5 the ride will bumpy like hell.

BTW, cold and hot pressure difference can up to 20kpa or 2psi.
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How do you know whether the tyre is hard or soft type ?
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post Jun 17 2013, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jun 17 2013, 03:06 PM)
Not to found fault with you but I have to disagree that Dugong quality is better maybe a bit tad better only. I used to work for Toyota Service Center and KIA also.

Quality of the Toyota cars to me has decrease a lot it's really so so only. I have owners complaining to me windscreen rattling noise from a 1 week old Vios, Power steering hose came loose before even 1st service (whole PS fluid leak dry), rear absorber not properly tighten Avanza lucky owner came in early when he complain got large sound from rear when going over uneven roads. Rear brake jam on a new car...etc...I've even open up a 2 weeks old Camry whole dashboard assembly because the AC system got sound inside the blower. That's why I've move away from Toyota ever since my neighbour before he change to a Vios I told him you better think again. But he still went for the Vios Dugong....he got the car then less than 1 month I saw him checking and move in and out of his Vios he told me the rear got sound send to service center also cannot rectify. Then another time he complain again front got sound.

Also the way the SC staff rectify problem is also sometimes not very professional. I won't spill out the details here because after kena sue then I die loh....what I see I see...up to personal choice to buy any brand of car.

To me I see that Proton has improved although it might still be under our expectation. Perodua on the other hand I also owned a MyVi before. Quality also have problems, I changed my steering rack twice in 1 year. Front headlights started to have crack line after 1 year. Head Unit rosak 3 times.

I've also seen a lady complains so furiously to the SA about her CT200h QC when I was in the service center when I send my Lexus there for service.

So any car also have QC problems not just the cheap cars...even expensive cars also have one. Even R35 have problems, MFD sot sot when the mileage was only 25k. Need to fork out a hefty sump to change it.
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Yes, you are right. In fact, every car has its own "sickness" that needs caution handling.
But I am just merely saying dugong is better.
But by how much is dependent on the user. Like I said previously, some ppl get car very minor issues.
Some ppl get same car but a lot of problems.

The SC rectify problem part, I think this one happens to many SC. I believe their aim is to delay until the 3 yrs period is over. Then, they only tell you the real issue or tell you this and that needs to be replaced already.
I have known ppl working in xxxx SC saying that usually they will just shut their mouth unless customer complains about here and there of their car got sound or problems. It's universal
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post Jun 17 2013, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Jun 17 2013, 03:48 PM)
chew it.  laugh.gif
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rclxms.gif chewable = soft. .
very difficult only can chew = medium hard / soft
cannot chew = hard
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post Jun 17 2013, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jun 17 2013, 03:53 PM)
hmm.gif Actually, the principle for testing hardness is quite similar like that except they dun use the human teeth to make the markings.  laugh.gif
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I understand how it is done if we are talking about testing a material's hardness in a lab.
You have those hardness test machines (vickers, shores & etc).
But how to test tyre hardness outside ?
Unless you are saying the hardness info is from the manufacturer itself.
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post Jun 17 2013, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Jun 17 2013, 03:57 PM)
eventually u can use a big nail and try to nail ur tyres. if can go in easily then it is soft..vice versa. brows.gif
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rclxms.gif I hope no one listens to you drool.gif
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post Jun 17 2013, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 17 2013, 04:36 PM)
BRAVO bro....BRAVO  rclxms.gif
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post Jun 19 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(archerz @ Jun 19 2013, 09:44 AM)
Hi to all. Just received my FLX CVT standard yesterday. Hope can learn from all sifu here
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Welcome onboard to the car everyday needs fixing group drool.gif

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