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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX CLUB V45, new saga this sat? need to fix everyday!

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post Jun 18 2013, 12:16 AM

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We don't ADD ON LED, I replace bulbs with LED to save electricity for OTHER purposes whistling.gif

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post Jun 18 2013, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jun 18 2013, 12:34 AM)
voltage increased ad respond faster,keta ganas ni,dun play2.....
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Day time you don't switch on lights rite whistling.gif

Anyway, it's a bloody Plotong, God knows magician fixed your front parking lamp, the rear registration plate lumi also self healed whistling.gif I fixed my reverse light, suddenly reverse sensor working again sweat.gif
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post Jun 18 2013, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jun 18 2013, 02:01 AM)
Highly intelested drool.gif But, waifu will not allow such radical mod in the car yawn.gif On the side note, why is it selling away? There are few things I can't understand:

1) Why selling as 2nd hand? Usually people wouldn't suspect even if it's used.
2) Seller is a workshop. The turbokit belongs to customer trade in?
3) If it's their R&D unit, I understand they resell the test unit then they mass produce the finishing design. My question is, how much is the complete set for the RETAIL unit?
4) If the above all 3 doesn't comply. I really think this set of turbokit got problem. Otherwise, why sell? Either compatibility issue or the turbokit issue.

5) Other than the above all 4, if everything going well, my problem is are they providing installation? If yes, how much they charge? How many hours it takes? Who is going to setup the management? Any hidden charges on training ECU + wiring? Boost controller use which 1? Manual bleed valve? Change actuator spring? Engine management's solenoid controller valve? External wastegate?


If let's say everything bao gah liao can settled within 4k will be good. In the end, owning a set of bolt on turbokit is not anything serious. Installation and tuning is shakehead.gif
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post Jun 18 2013, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(li_5997 @ Jun 18 2013, 01:03 AM)
I think i need some of that then...  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif
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post Jun 18 2013, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2013, 08:05 PM)
Why not?

Assuming you're getting the CVT variant, interst at 2.8%, RM15k d/p

2 years - around RM920 / month

3 years - around RM630 / month
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post Jun 18 2013, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(blau-saga @ Jun 18 2013, 04:55 PM)
i tot by reducing rear end flex will stabilize the car? no?  unsure.gif

what i mean pointier coz saga hv good handling but tail happy.. right?
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Lot's of reading for you, almost got myself killed when I first installed ONLY the rear seat brace. You may refer Mahihi sale thread, he has posted most of my picture links there.

QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jun 5 2013, 03:18 PM)
Item(s):3max SAGA BLM/FL/FLX FRONT AND REAR STRUT BAR

Package includes:One 4 points Front Strut Bar and one 3 points Rear strut bar that wont makan ur boot space

Price:4 Points Front Strut Bar is RM 150,3 Points Rear Strut Bar is RM 130,if take both at the same time then RM 270(Both Free Installation)

Warranty:1 year warranty on manufacturing defect

Dealing method:COD in 3max factory itself in USJ1 Subang Jaya,Meeting point nearby will be the Esso after mydin,or by postage,Pls do call me earlier for stock availability,tq.....

Front strut Bar Postage fee is RM 10 for Peninsular Malaysia,Rm 50 for sabah Sarawak
Rear Strut Bar postage fee is RM 10 for Peninsular Malaysia,Rm 50 for Sabah Sarawak

Bulking for car clubs is entertained as well as i have done few bulking in the Proton Saga Club thread itself

Location of seller:Klang Valley

Contact method/details:012-3001933(Kelvin)

Age of item:Brand new

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Item(s) conditions:Perfect

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Review and pictures from davidke20,after 1 year of usage

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Stretch marks everywhere on the 3MAX rear seat brace. Take note that I'm not complaining, but I'm revealing the truth of reinforcement bar's functionality. If you did the reading, you'll know this bar makes my car oversteer. If you know front wheel drive car oversteer can simply mean rear rigidity increased(consider suspension remain the same as before installing bars). I have reduced rear tyre pressure to gain more traction from the rear wheels, and directly imply that my overall traction has been upgraded. These stretch marks are the proof of functionality. The bar does not show any sign of weakness yet, but the painting crack is inevitable as there are still flex on the bar itself. I've heard people said the rear seat panel is so thin and impossible to transfer chassis flex via the bars, and these stretch mark is a lively proof of force transmission.

I have no new review on driving experience, the car is as good as the 1st day I installed the rear seat brace, it's still annoying as the rear part will jump went over speed breaker.There are still the same pros and cons nothing can be hide. You want stock and soft, there you have stock setup kinda cornering feeling. When you have these bars, part of the comfort and your wallet is jeopardized. Peace icon_rolleyes.gif

Review from dares,
I felt the opposite when I installed the bars on my FLX (well except the wallet part). I believe after installing the FSB and RSB, going thru bumps was actually MORE comfortable. Comfortable may not be the right word....the feeling is that you don't feel the rear end bouncing and twisting over the bump, instead it moves as one solid body. The nett effect is that the passengers don't get thrown left and right when going over bumps.

Or maybe the FLX chassis+suspension was not very comfortable like the BLM to begin with unsure.gif

Anyway for all new and old Gaga owners, if you haven't still, I'd consider strut bars to be one of the most essential mod for your car.

more reviews here,

Some photo walkthrough
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry52815637

More sohigh action on the 2nd day, more discovery
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry52824465

Truth of why bars are important
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry53002875

Now with the new Saga Sv,the same design rear strut bar is fitted in as OEM Bar!!!!!so is proven useful!!!!Proton engineers cant be wrong on this!!
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 12 2013, 12:28 AM)
On the side note, rear lower bar is to ensure both travelling arm are keeping their distance. Hence, UR called it MEMBER BRACE, which is a correct term. You may crawl underneath your car and have a good look at the torsion beam, it's an L angle.

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The L angle is extended by 2 travelling arm, and the mounting point for that 2 travelling arm was attached to the chassis. UR member brace will be making sure these mounting point keeping their distance. In short, cabin flex will be drastically reduced to minimal, or none. UR rear member brace is highly recommended. 1 thing to take note, there's breather holes on the member brace. For unknown reason, they made 2 holes there. You can choose to seal it off before installation, but it will void your UR warranty. If not, the bar will get rusted over time. If you can find a solution to permanently waterproof the bar, whereas can remove the seal when need to claim warranty/resell it back to UR, then you solved all the problem already. Refer picture below:

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post Jun 19 2013, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jun 19 2013, 03:16 AM)
at first looking at the receipt,Rm 25,man allignment oni also so exp ah,but then told my fren,they said y so cheap,then they explain to me,they will check ur tyre,bushing,rack bushing...then forgot wat method they use ad,can make ur car straight without touching the chamber,so its cheap ad,coz adjust chamber is Rm 30,and allignment is Rm 15,total Rm 45,lols...
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hmm.gif Now this is serious already, next time you bring me there ya hmm.gif
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post Jun 19 2013, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Jun 18 2013, 08:20 PM)
YAB, can u enlightened me how u wire the vacuum metre to the fuse there. TQ. notworthy.gif
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Due to my cabin fuse holder spaghetti already, so I couldn't take photo for you. Herewith enclosed a photo courtesy of zeone.

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Top right 10a fuse if not mistaken, should be the radio. I use that to kick start my gauge.

I also tap to parking lamp, can't remember which fuse ady. I use the parking lamp to switch lumi from RED(day time no use parking lamp) to WHITE(night time easy for the eye).



The rest of the sensor connection, I can't recall already. Your gauge different than mine, so the sensor wiring may be different also.
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post Jun 19 2013, 06:57 AM

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QUOTE(billy520 @ Jun 19 2013, 06:39 AM)
wish penang has it. ei davidke20 u know any shop in penang got do the on wheel balancing? i went a few CAP AYAM shop, they don have it and then stare at me like WTFBBQ ayam talking about  doh.gif  my problem is steering vibrator upon hitting 120km/h above. sometimes vibrate sometimes not but upon 140 confirm will.
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Reason for having such sohigh balancing technique is because the wheel can be straight by its own, but when attached on the hub, there are more things that beyond our eyes can see which spins together with the wheel. For example your brake disc rotor. If that thing bengkok will also result in your wheel vibration. Another thing could be the bearing. With onwheel balancing, can reduce ERROR to minimal cause the wheel is attached to the foot work, and the balancing was done on LIVE ROLLING basis icon_idea.gif

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post Jun 19 2013, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Jun 19 2013, 01:28 PM)
david YAB, can you tell me where to ground the Ular Oren and what size the head for the cable to use for locking onto the car body and negative terminal? thank you what location is best to attached the Ular. can PM me
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Not commercial sekret oso. 300amps welding cable, I prepare 5 feet as standard practice(you can do shorter if you want to). Cable lug 300amp for engine end, 200amp cable lug for battery end. Connection is 13 bolt + nut with 2x washer, bolt on engine hanger hook at the back for the ease of removal in the event of warranty claim/regular service to avoid warranty being tampered. Don't ask me why bolt there, that's the most effective point I've tried so far, and was discovered by accident. I know there's FIGURE can be shown via test meter that the engine hook is less effective grounding point. My priority is BUTT DYNO. So, whatever my butt tells me, I rely on my butt rather than equipment.

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 27 2013, 08:38 PM)
hmm.gif ... Beides of kenjilew, any of u guys added ground cable without NUT? How does it feel by the way? I'm not asking this for fun or spam post, but somehow a DIY accident made me think otherwise hmm.gif

Last year, I added HKS purple GC on Iswaga, the effect was great reduction of harsh idling. The old 4G13 was tuned to 750rpm on idling, therefore its super harsh in the morning. However, after added purple, engine vibration gone! Magically, the "jet" sound on radio has gone!subwoofer used to "burb" when aircon kicks in, all that has gone after installed purple GC. My dashboard used to turned into disco light when turn signal indicator is on, its worst when hazard lights is switched on. All that has gone as GC installed. I was amazed by such tiny affordable mod that gave my old Iswaga new life.

So I bought another few packages of HKS blue GC(purple ran out of stock). I installed it on my Wigra 1.3, no significant improvement, neither on ICE nor engine performance. Another set went to BiBa 850, according to my brother the low end RPM became smoother, but I couldn't feel it coz I'm not quite familiar with that car. Last set went to GaGa BLM. I was hoping some magic will happen since our throttle lag is pain in the butt. It was a great disappointment, there was NO improvement at all. My woofer continue to "burb" as aircon kicks in, light still dim when aircon kicks in. Throttle as lag as usual, WOT took 1 full second before RPM slowly raise. I didn't think much after 2 days using GC on BLM, I took them off and test the car again, NOT suprise there aren't any changes at all with/without GC. I had the GC transfered to Shawie, I "think" the RPM craw faster than usual, could be placebo.

Today, I accidentally left an open ended power cable connected to battery negative pole ON the rocker cover after some DIY project(luckily I always practice pull positive cable first after DIY). I totally forgot it was there and shut the hood. I went out for short drive, buying bread, going out with the kids for a weekend day out. Was driving happily, never reminds me of the jerk when aircon kicks in, never complain the woofer came with annoying "burb" sound. The whole day ride was smooth and I've totally forgotten GaGa has such annoying problem.

Until just now when I was shitting in toilet, nothing to do. Been thinking of something weird happened today, something I SHOULD be complaining but I didn't. Suddenly reminds me I did not notice throttle lag! No airplane sound! No woofer "burping"! No felt aircon compressor kicks in! So I went and check what have I TERmod my GaGa, as I poped the hood to found my negative wire left hanging on the rocker cover with the other end connected to negative pole!!! (Luckily not positive, or the car burnt ady)

hmm.gif ayam seriusly considering izit the blue cable not as efficient as any other power cable? May be the purple better? Izit bcoz previously I don't have erictioh in the engine bay?? Whereas this time so happened the "accidentally" ground cable TERconnected the right place? hmm.gif I have disconnected the "accidental GC" for the time being, wanted to test but home minister won't allowed as todays quota full ady. So tomorrow will pay attention WITHOUT "accidenta GC", whether something wrong with my butt today hmm.gif
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 4 2013, 05:28 PM)
"BEM" "BEM"!!!! Wohoo!!!! 300a Power Well 32mm * 5ft made in Thailand. Copper lug * 2. Crimping tool... ... Hammer. Cost brows.gif

RM18.50

Prototype only. Haven't get the shrink wrap yet. Couldn't find the size yet doh.gif

Butt dyno:
Smooth throttle response
Low end torque increase
Horse power +10hp

Actual effect:
Throttle response are subjective. My father rev until 3000rpm baru release clutch, according to him there isn't throttle lag at all even the car is stock doh.gif

Low end torque dun think got increase, but the smoothen electrical distribution could yield a smooth power output, as a result placebo become obvious. Felt the car have more sprint

Instead of power up, its actually felt more like power down. Reason being, stock felt strong force as RPM reaches 3krpm, by 4krpm felt turbo kicks in; however, now the horse power has been smoothen. Refer below:

Stock output
1k : 20hp
2k : 30hp
3k : 40hp
4k : 80hp
5k : 90hp
6k : 94hp
7k : 70hp

Power Well
1k : 20hp
2k : 40hp
3k : 60hp
4k : 80hp
5k : 90hp
6k : 94hp
7k : 70hp

At one point, I thought there's power loss, but as I release gas pedal at around 4krpm, the car gradually slow down by engine brake, I went WOT. The car were not hesitated, continue to sprint, screaming all the way to 7krpm to hit the high C.

Butt dyno conclusion, a proper grounding will lead to better power distribution. Be it old car or new car, the size of conductivity on our alloy engine is way below par. Should any of us in doubt, very easy just grab your jump start cable, hook the black cable on the (-) negative pole, the other end clamp it on engine hook. You will feel the difference instantaneously. This was an accidental discovery, but my butt likes it. I hope this minor sharing would benefit those budget modder + placebo effect worshiper notworthy.gif
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post Jun 19 2013, 10:54 PM

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Btw, dis flydei TT I cum. Obtained permit from home minister ady. Will be late, coz need to take care of kids while wait for home minister cumbak from party oni can go out. yawn.gif

r3apers, where's the official TT list/detail post? Be professional abit lar aiyo.
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post Jun 19 2013, 11:08 PM

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This is a new CATCON
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My CATCON
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This is what happened earlier
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And the new chapter begun whistling.gif

To be continue....
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post Jun 20 2013, 06:26 AM

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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jun 20 2013, 01:07 AM)
haiz old town ah...haiz....david,the secret weapon is rdy ah?lol...
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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 20 2013, 01:16 AM)
Or we can each dabao our own food and picnic at the car park whistling.gif
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Sounds good to me if you guys are doing the same whistling.gif Acterly hor, can borrow Maxwell6635's picnic table also whistling.gif

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QUOTE(billy520 @ Jun 20 2013, 06:56 AM)
spiral bullet?  thumbup.gif

btw, my issue with vibrator steering...went to a young chap shop. he observer my tyre and said my tyre going to kong. he showed me my tyre wear was not even hence only at high speed it is vibrating. he told me do on-wheel or high speed balancing also will not help.  doh.gif  then i told him if swap rear tyre to front he said since i like going fast if rear vibrating n i did not notice suddenly corner i will go into longkang  sweat.gif
his advice was pakai sampai botak n change front 2 tyre... should i trust him?  hmm.gif  i mean he have some points there. but...
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He dunno how to do on wheel izit whistling.gif He did get a point regarding uneven tyre surface, but hey, where got even tyre surface 1 yawn.gif Absorber/spring rate different also will cause the tyre makan not even, let alone worn off bushes in a 3 year old GaGa unsure.gif So, change tyre already the new tyre will not go uneven 1 ar rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Mahihi @ Jun 19 2013, 02:04 PM)
actually just need a jack will do...no need all these advance stuff....need 4 jack.....i know the method of on wheel balancing,my fren teach me b4....but i duno how to to analyze the vibration..
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Since we're getting in to tyre discussion again, might as well cerita here. 1 can do ON WHEEL by theyself if daring. Tools needed as below:

1) A damn car and petrol
2) 2 ton hydraulic jack (1 stand is required for safety)
3) Balancing weight strips
4) Duct tape
5) Another person sit in the car to man with the gas pedal

So, I assume your car is service regularly without major issue but only vibration on the steering wheel. Jack up the car infront, the side you wanted to balance ONLY. The other side leave the tyre touch the floor. Reason being, your differential will sense 1 side heavier(on the ground), thus it spin the lighter(in the air) wheel to accommodate the differences. This is useful when you do parallel parking. Imagine if you have a 1 way LSD in your car, you'll have to repark/adjust so damn many times just to get it right cause both wheel will move togather.

Once the tyre in the air, put a stand beneath the chassis incase any unwanted circumstances. Get the person sitting in the car to drive until 100kph, the person beside the strut tower use bear hand to hold ON the SPRING and feel the vibration. If vibrate, brake the wheel. Use duct tape to slap the balancing strip weight on 1 spoke of the rim. Repeat the 100kph dry run again and feel the vibration on the strut tower. If still persist, change position of the balancing strip to opposite spoke on the rim. Do it over and over again until you find the minimal vibration spoke, then start to increase/decrease the balancing strip weight by cutting bit by bit of the strip.

Once completed, do it to the other side of the wheel. Now do you think magician like to do this kind of tedious job for you? Just for the sake of RM6 balancing job?! yawn.gif With the spinner machine, atleast the machine roller can sense which spoke of the rim need to add/decrease weight. But ofcourse, machine misses out the FLYWHEEL action cause transmission is not involved during the onwheel balancing action

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