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 Casual doing LFR only - DPS & Solo Rares Ranking, My personal thought

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post Jun 3 2013, 04:58 PM, updated 13y ago

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I have 7 lvl 90 and 6 of them in LFR (the 1 left is rogue which just dinged yesterday)

My gears on all toon is with ilvl 485~500, and based on my experience, the dps ranking as below.

1) Warlock (Demo)
2) Shadow priest
3) Frost mage / arcane only work on MSV, TOT is nightmare beside Megara.
4) Ele Shaman
5) Fury Warrior - no luck on weapon and always die one.
6) Boomkin

Boomkin is the weakest of all the toon, he took the longest time to kill tiller farm rodden / bird.

However, when come to solo thunder island rare. the ranking changed abit.

1) Warlock Demo <= can solo all
2) Shadow priest <= can solo most
3) Ele shaman <= can solo a few easy one
4) Boomkin <= can solo a few easy one
5) Mage <= cannot solo anything
6) fury warrior <= cannot solo anything

Why I rank warrior below mage (as they are both under can't solo anything catergory) is because mage can survive if things gone bad, and can safety survive AOE boss (Haywire) by staying max range. while warrior means repair bills and is the least toon I wanna play.

So you see WOW IS A GAME OF UNFAIR... Some class has it all and some don't.

I'm not complain as I'll have 11 lvl 90 soon (soon i mean before end of June) as the exp nerf in 5.3.

Just think why is it so unfair to some toon. I'll pull my hair out if I have a main and it's Boomkin or Fury Warrior. (I know by going Bear or Prot Warrior will make solo bosses easier, but I don't have time to play off-spec... as I only have time to LFR and they are meant to be FARMER to farm cloth...)

Anyone please share your experience. I know DK/Pally/Hunter is GOD like when come to solo rares, but I level other toon before these is due to profession (i need to level tailor/blacksmite/leatherworker miner/skinner/herbal first)
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post Jun 4 2013, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(vostroxe @ Jun 3 2013, 07:07 PM)
are you sure mage cannot solo anything? have you try glyph of evocation? for sure, blood dk can beat all your list in term of soloing.
edit: i just made mage bcz i thought it can solo old content.:-(
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Any class can solo old content (depense how old), I'm talking about the new Isle of Thuder new rare mob where I need the key to treasure room weekly.

As my server someone no one hunt rare so I have to solo during odd hours. If you in a very pupolated server just go and tag the mob.

My mage can do 70k sustainable dps but not when the boss chasing me, after my mirror image died and boss still at 50% there are nothing I can do beside invi running.
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post Jun 4 2013, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(thi13en @ Jun 3 2013, 07:46 PM)
Your ranking of DPS seems a bit off, mages right now is THE #1 dps, and Fire spec beat both Frost and Arcane as of 5.3. Boomkin should be near elemental shaman in terms of dps, while spriest by far about the same with fury warrior.

In the end it all end up whether you have the right gear and ilvl, with skills mixed up. Some fights in ToT favors certain classes, there's so much example why is that so. So, its hard to judge just by ranking alone.

If you manage to get at least 500+ ilvl, yeah you can solo most rare on Isle on Thunder and also some new rares in Pandaria (example: Zandalari Warbringer/Scout)

WoW will always be unfair, my main is a healing priest, and we constantly getting nerfed patch by patch but still topping meters in healing. LOL
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When I read forum, arcane is number 1, I don't know why as ToT need heavy movement, anyway my gear is just LFR and Shado Pan Assault rep rewards.

Below are the ranking.

http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/realistic#522

I done 70k+ on frost in most boss (less Horridon aoe fest), arcane I used on do some less movement fight like council and twin and megara... it sucks... but maybe I didn't stack mastery as I'm stacking haste for froze atm.

I'd love to see how mage solo rares in Isle of Thunder, as currently if no one is hunting rares... my mage just camp infront of Goda (easiest to kill and access) and hope someone will come and tag it. same goes to fury warrior, I hit boss he hit me back... My regen is so insignificant with the damage boss dealt, I've seem prot warrior solo boss easy, but like I said, too many alts no time to respect prot warrior, anyway it's a waste of time as I'm not gonna tank in LFR.

Boomkin need to stack crit and the lei shen sure crit trinket to exile in dps, right now my crit is merely 20% (no lei shen trinket), my starsurge hardly proc, and yeah... dps sux. around 50k sustainable.

Warrior low crit rate also around 50k but thanks to execute it will boost up alot in the end.
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post Jun 4 2013, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(areix @ Jun 3 2013, 09:12 PM)
For the past 2 months I have been two manning rares on Isle of Thunder for about 2-3 rotations daily. I'm a human frost mage and my ilvl is currently 498 and my tanking partner is a belf DK, his ilvl is 499 tho at other times i also partner with either warlock, shadow priest, fury warrior or another mage (arcane). From our experience and experimentations with the rares, below is what i can say about each rare that might help you with encounters on your warrior or boomkin tho i do think by now, you should alreadyknow what works and what doesnt.
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My Mage ilvl is 492 atm, how do you 2 man rares with another mage or fury warrior?

Warlock/ Spriest / Dk all can solo boss no need 2 man anyways.

Like I said, sometime I play odd hour and no one is hunting rares, I can choose ANY rare I wants. but I can't solo with warrior and mage, I need to solo them to get the key to treasure room.

Yesterday I brought my newly made rogue to Isle of thunder, no rare hunter as usual, but I just stealth around to look for treasure chest and yay, free key. So rogue no need to solo mob.
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post Jun 4 2013, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(areix @ Jun 4 2013, 11:54 AM)
I dont know what your mage's ilvl is but i do think you should be able to do more dps. You might wanna try using icy-vein's instead of noxxic as sometimes noxxic can get a bit inaccurate. Icy-vein also has an app called Ask Mr. Robot (you can find it when you scroll down in the gearing up section). It will calculate your toon's armor performance and will give suggestions if it needs tweaking and trust me you will see a boost in your performance. 

Too bad for your server, as for my server there are a few regulars who are always waiting for partners to come up and not necessarily a group (for me the lesser the less mess). Maybe ppl dont go around killing rares much because they dont drop anything other than the lesser charms, golds, occasionally ritual stone and once a week drop - key to the palace of lei shen which will give you the extra xp with shado pan if you are lucky and of course the 15VP per rare killed which can be capped in 3 days if you are not doing anything else and if there is no rotation competition. Could be ppl didnt know they give the 15VP too. Anyway, you can always try and experiment.
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I used 4 website (elistist jerk/ Max Dps/ Noxxic / Icy-vein) to research how to play a toon, as making alts and test them in LFR and tried to do maximum dps (while not ignoring boss machanic) is my motivation playing WOW.

While having many toons doing tiller farm can earn me extra income, but the upgrade cost is massive as well. Therefore each of the toon I need to bring to Isle of Thunder to kill rare and loot keys to treasure room to ease the financial burden, it's not like I wanna farm rares for anything else.

QUOTE(Arwenz @ Jun 4 2013, 12:10 PM)
Question:  blink.gif  How is that possible for a human party with blood elf while there are the opposite to each other in faction standing?  blink.gif
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She is a human player playing horde...
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post Jun 4 2013, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(areix @ Jun 4 2013, 02:38 PM)
I know all of the websites would have their say in their guides however, Ask Mr. Robot is a gear optimizer app in Icy Veins that will help optimize your toon to full potential according to your build, to your armor, enchantments, stats. Each time you change something in your armor the stats would differ and it's almost a constant trip to the reforger. Some ppl say it's inaccurate but for the ppl that i know, AMR works/helps a lot.

Regarding the question on how i two man with a warrior or another mage simply would be buff-take turn on damage-take turn healing-cd management-try to keep the engagement if one of you dies so taht the boss dont reset. So what would help on survivality would be potions, bandages and other self healing abilities (i do herbalism so i get my extra heals from life spirit). As a frost mage, what helped out what frost nova+deep freeze/frostjaw other than your water elemental and mirror images. Hmm somewhat like soloing bosses in old raid contents. The other thing to consider is that both of you should have about the same amount of dps because you woulndt want to constantly top aggro - you want to be able to shift the agro to from one another to buy time. Communication is key tho. But sad to say, this partnership hasnt work well on some of the bosses like haywire. But then again if what you want is just the key, might as well go for trove hunting around the isle tho it's almost always an accident whenever i find a trove but I'm guessing there's a guide somewhere if you want to look for the troves.
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I tried AMR before, he ask me to pay sweat.gif me say no thanks shakehead.gif

Some of the website have different rotaion and stat weight so I need to try it out. especially to my Demo lock, some say must stack Mastery, some say stack Haste.

But I find stacking crit to spam touch of chaos yield highest sustainable dps.

Only froze mage is consistent all guide says stack haste.

Trove hunting is hard / troublesome for none stealth toon, yes there are some guide to teach the location of the trove, but their respawn time is very long, I'll use that method only on my rogue.

So right now I have no idea how to solo with rogue / warrior and mage.


QUOTE(thi13en @ Jun 4 2013, 02:50 PM)
The only way to evaluate your DPS greatly is using simulationcraft to get the feel what your dps should reach. But keep in mind simulationcraft is not giving you the dps you should reach but somewhere in the area. This is a really great tool to use if you a dps. There are others simulation tools provided too for specific class, so look around the WoW forum for more definitive answer.

Noxxic gets the ranking from simulationcraft website and its outdated, Fire mages according to simulationcraft right now far ahead of other spec by a 6k difference. Still not the absolute dps that fire mages should get but gives you an idea what classes dps ranking are right now.
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5.3 only out for 2~3 weeks and Nixxoc report on 5.3's dps ranking out dated? can you link the report from simcraft please?

Btw I believes some of the toon do good dps when they have certain ilvl. Like I said boomkin sux therefore I research alot into it, they using the legendary meta (I still stuck at 8 sigil of power with 22 sigil of wisdom) and lei shen trinket, while trinket proc they get unlimited starsurge proc for the full duration of star/moon fire, when I do not have access to those goodies Boom kin sux.

Warrior stat priority is even worst... it's Crit > STR. if bloodthirst doesn't crit, you don't enrage and attck proc resulted dps sux, so with low ilvl it's hard to get high crit rating.

maybe when all my toon get above 500 ivll I'll give my personal ranking again.
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post Jun 6 2013, 03:33 PM

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My rogue went into ToT LFR after 1 week dinged lvl 90.

The actual ilvl is 476. The fake ilvl is 482.

I must be sucks at melee dps, only 40k+ dps and rogue is regarded as one of the top dps (assasination spec)

I hasn't gem/enchant/reforge yet but I'm expecting something like mage / lock... same ilvl no ++ as well but able to pull 50k+ dps EASILY...

Can't imagine what will happened when I play hunter or pally, as there are many QQ post on their dps in the forum, aiya nevermind as long my dps don't drop below 30k I should be able to leech in LFR tongue.gif

 

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