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Chobits
post Jun 5 2013, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(areix @ Jun 4 2013, 07:41 PM)
It's been a while since i played fire but i do think your rotation is correct.  However there's a whole bunch of missing info. just give me your toon's name so i can have a look at it on AMR and see what's your stat like.
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Victorique -TW- Wrathbringer server

but i respec back to arcane mage as this suit mi better now, doing rank 3-10 in dps in 25m
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post Jun 5 2013, 10:07 AM

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blood dk are extremely OP when it comes to solo-ing rares.i tired solo-ing commanders in barrens and it took me like 30mins to kill one shakehead.gif .others rare in thunder isle are easy to solo kill.btw love the loot personalization system.now i can try playing as healer notworthy.gif
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post Jun 5 2013, 10:15 AM

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here's another tool to evaluate your Dps and how you parses among other people in world of logs, http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/. Hope this one helps

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post Jun 5 2013, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(thi13en @ Jun 5 2013, 10:15 AM)
here's another tool to evaluate your Dps and how you parses among other people in world of logs, http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/. Hope this one helps
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cool, thanks for the info. i tried simcraft yesterday to test with a few different perimeters and yes it's rather accurate for reference and i do think with using world of logs and in game recount graph details would be able to tell us what's wrong with our DPS if it's somewhat under performing. The other thing would be why i prefer icy-veins than noxxic is that mage guide in icy-veins is approved by blatty - one of the world's top performing mages who is in Method.
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post Jun 5 2013, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(areix @ Jun 5 2013, 03:24 PM)
cool, thanks for the info. i tried simcraft yesterday to test with a few different perimeters and yes it's rather accurate for reference and i do think with using world of logs and in game recount graph details would be able to tell us what's wrong with our DPS if it's somewhat under performing. The other thing would be why i prefer icy-veins than noxxic is that mage guide in icy-veins is approved by blatty - one of the world's top performing mages who is in Method.
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well, I don't have that WoL raid for that night. the 25m is a pug group. i'm just a sub for that group.
guild raid takes priority but guild progression this tier is abit slow, hence some pugging in 25's.

But, it how could be possible that the DPS recount for boss 7 to boss 12, be so out of hand.
The other fire mage has 45% critical rate(+raid buffs already) + 4p bonus, total damage was always +20% mine
Me has 40% critical rate(+raid buffs already) + 2p bonus. Spell power/haste/mastery almost the same. (+/- 500 stats)

Could the 5% rate and 4p bonus be so powerful ?


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post Jun 5 2013, 05:48 PM

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i used simcraft alot and its great if you know how to theorycraft your own stats, though im no longer play dps as of now. It is still a great tool to evaluate your dps

icy-veins and noxxic provides so many great guides for every class, but if you do heavy progression, you have to make your own theorycrafting, fiddle around with glyph, talent and stats to get the best out of the situation. with luck you might parses higher than you usually do =)
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post Jun 5 2013, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(Chobits @ Jun 5 2013, 05:48 PM)
well, I don't have that WoL raid for that night. the 25m is a pug group. i'm just a sub for that group.
guild raid takes priority but guild progression this tier is abit slow, hence some pugging in 25's.

But, it how could be possible that the DPS recount for boss 7 to boss 12, be so out of hand.
The other fire mage has 45% critical rate(+raid buffs already) + 4p bonus, total damage was always +20% mine
Me has 40% critical rate(+raid buffs already) + 2p bonus. Spell power/haste/mastery almost the same. (+/- 500 stats)

Could the 5% rate and 4p bonus be so powerful ?
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Ok, I managed to check out your stats on AMR http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/tw/wrat...nger/victorique and its updated to your arcane spec. However from what i can see once I looked at the optimize armor performance analyzer, you have a lot of regemming and reforging to do which is about 40-50% change. You said you changed to arcane and can maintain between 3-10 top dps right, well lets see if AMR is accurate if you follow the optimizer, I do believe that you actually could get a steady 5-7 top dps spots if you reforge and regem. I'm seeing you still yet to reach the cap of 15% on hit with 14.41% on your current stats which would definite have effect if you are DPSing since hit cap of 15% is the 2nd priority for mages. And since for arcane the third priority is mastery, on your stat it's at 45% buffed and at 36% (unbuffed) but once optimized you'd gain up +17% on mastery. As a reference you can also cross ref with blatty's stats http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/eu/twisting_nether/blatty. However, it is all the matter of preference and AMR is just a helpful guide in learning the maximum potential of your toon based on the armor set it currently has. Performance is still effected by player skills and also other things such as racial/profession buffs, latency,macros.

About playing fire, well from experience, not only the rotation that matters but also to gain a steady flow of HU and HU upgrade to Pyro procs would be the biggest challenge of all coz once you have that going, you add in your combustion + alter time macro (to get that extra free pyro in queue from Presence of Mind)you can see a jump in your dps. yep, for a lot of fire mages, maintaining the flow makes it even more challenging. I'm sure when playing fire you can see that arcane and frost had it easy. Regarding the extra 5% crit, yes i do think that 5% rate (ontop of his 4p bonus) is powerful since for fire it's always Crit>haste>mastery. But then again i couldnt see your stats in fire so I'm not sure if you capped your hit stats and also I cant see his full stats too to make full stats comparison based on armor sets. Just play around with AMR along with SimCraft/Raidbots (like Thi13en linked) to have a bigger and in depth pic of your toon's max potential.

This post has been edited by areix: Jun 5 2013, 09:03 PM
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post Jun 6 2013, 07:45 AM

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QUOTE(areix @ Jun 5 2013, 08:53 PM)
Ok, I managed to check out your stats on AMR http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/tw/wrat...nger/victorique and its updated to your arcane spec. However from what i can see once I looked at the optimize armor performance analyzer, you have a lot of regemming and reforging to do which is about 40-50% change. You said you changed to arcane and can maintain between 3-10 top dps right, well lets see if AMR is accurate if you follow the optimizer, I do believe that you actually could get a steady 5-7 top dps spots if you reforge and regem. I'm seeing you still yet to reach the cap of 15% on hit with 14.41% on your current stats which would definite have effect if you are DPSing since hit cap of 15% is the 2nd priority for mages. And since for arcane the third priority is mastery, on your stat it's at 45% buffed and at 36% (unbuffed) but once optimized you'd gain up +17% on mastery. As a reference you can also cross ref with blatty's stats  http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/eu/twisting_nether/blatty. However, it is all the matter of preference and AMR is just a helpful guide in learning the maximum potential of your toon based on the armor set it currently has. Performance is still effected by player skills and also other things such as racial/profession buffs, latency,macros.

About playing fire, well from experience, not only the rotation that matters but also to gain a steady flow of HU and HU upgrade to Pyro procs would be the biggest challenge of all coz once you have that going, you add in your combustion + alter time macro (to get that extra free pyro in queue from Presence of Mind)you can see a jump in your dps. yep, for a lot of fire mages, maintaining the flow makes it even more challenging. I'm sure when playing fire you can see that arcane and frost had it easy. Regarding the extra 5% crit, yes i do think that 5% rate (ontop of his 4p bonus) is powerful since for fire it's always Crit>haste>mastery. But then again i couldnt see your stats in fire so I'm not sure if you capped your hit stats and also I cant see his full stats too to make full stats comparison based on armor sets. Just play around with AMR along with SimCraft/Raidbots (like Thi13en linked) to have a bigger and in depth pic of your toon's max potential.
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thanks for explaining, well from blatty's stats, pure mastery seems like the way to go....hmmm.
will retry fire when i get 4p, and have more critical strike pieces.

well, i'm hit capped, AMR may have error on taiwan server characters as we have 4/4 upgrades.
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post Jun 6 2013, 03:33 PM

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My rogue went into ToT LFR after 1 week dinged lvl 90.

The actual ilvl is 476. The fake ilvl is 482.

I must be sucks at melee dps, only 40k+ dps and rogue is regarded as one of the top dps (assasination spec)

I hasn't gem/enchant/reforge yet but I'm expecting something like mage / lock... same ilvl no ++ as well but able to pull 50k+ dps EASILY...

Can't imagine what will happened when I play hunter or pally, as there are many QQ post on their dps in the forum, aiya nevermind as long my dps don't drop below 30k I should be able to leech in LFR tongue.gif
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post Jun 6 2013, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(Chobits @ Jun 6 2013, 07:45 AM)
thanks for explaining, well from blatty's stats, pure mastery seems like the way to go....hmmm.
will retry fire when i get 4p, and have more critical strike pieces.

well, i'm hit capped, AMR may have error on taiwan server characters as we have 4/4 upgrades.
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Could be, anyway happy experimenting.
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post Jun 22 2013, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(areix @ Jun 6 2013, 11:03 PM)
Could be, anyway happy experimenting.
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weeee, got the 4p liao. Arcane burst with 4P is gay, very gay. Clocking in at 250k DPS with 40 secs of Heroism. drool.gif

After some extensive testing with arcane and frost with 4p, its performing more stable in terms of comparison with fire mages.

But but, should I go try some fire.... rclxub.gif
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post Jun 23 2013, 05:09 PM

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Fire is really fun to play compare to other spec imo.
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post Jul 4 2013, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(thi13en @ Jun 23 2013, 05:09 PM)
Fire is really fun to play compare to other spec imo.
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Mmhmm burn baby burn, it's tricky to play but when you see those fireballs - pyroblast hurling across the room landing with high crit damage followed by multiple living bombs exploding, its like fireworks on 4th of july.. we didnt get the pyromaniac passive for nothing cool2.gif

 

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