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TSawsc777
post Jun 3 2013, 08:07 AM, updated 13y ago

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Hi everyone,

If a car's stock tires are of 215/45/17, for safety and comfort, what changes would you recommend:

1) Reliable and comfortable 17 inch tires (can you all recommend any brands?)

or

2) Change to 16 inch rims and tires (recommend good brands for both rims and tires?)


The choices would either be 16 inch or 17 inch rims only. I'll need to clarify that I'm not an expert in cars, hence need some advice from the experts here in /k.

Thanks!
TSawsc777
post Jun 4 2013, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jun 3 2013, 08:30 AM)
Hi if you currently using 17" definitely is not comfort to compare with 16" rims and tyre more sidewall.

If 17" I would recommend you on Goodyear Eagle F1 Asym 2.

Low noise and more stopping power.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jun 3 2013, 09:56 PM)
For comfort, surely better change to 16'. You can use 205/55/R16, it will have much thicker sidewall hence gives you a lot more comfort and safety from potholes. But you'll loose just a little bit of performance due to 1 cm narrower tire, and the thicker tire will be less responsive. So it's your choice, prefer more comfort or maintain the performance with stiffer ride quality. I suggest if you're fine with the current comfort level, then just stay with the current size. If you cannot stand it anymore, then change to 16'.

As for the brands, it's up to your budget, tire size, and what performance level you're looking for. 16' will have more choices on the lower-middle performance ranges while 17' will have more on the middle-high performance ranges. Pirelli, Michelin, BS, Continental, Yokohama, Toyo, GY, Dunlop, GT Radial, Federal, Hankook, they all trusted good brands. Some like GT Radial are cheaper, some like Michelin & Pirelli are rather expensive.
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Thank for the replies both of you. Another question would be will there be any effect of changing from 215/45/17 to 205/50/17 tires? How will it affect the car (thinking about safety) and comfort? I won't be driving fast, just a normal driver.
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post Jun 4 2013, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jun 4 2013, 02:50 PM)
205/50 will be about 0.5cm thicker sidewall than the 215/45, hence it will be a bit more comfortable with just a slight reduction in grip due to 1cm narrower tire, but since you don't drive fast, it should be ok. You can compensate that by getting a more high performance/grip tire and you would not suffer drop in grip. For example if now you're using tire with UTQG rating of tread wear 400, traction A, temp A, then can upgrade to one with tread wear 300, traction AA, temp. A. With this, even though you use 1cm narrower tire, the performance would actually still be better.
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Thanks 6UE5T, however, I'm not a tire guy, so I'm don't know about 'tread wear 400, traction A, temp A'.

So if I have 215/45/17 stock tires now fitted (reviews not too convincing, hence thinking of changing) and would like to change to better ones. Any specific recommendations based on the following criteria (won't be driving fast, if on highway usually 110 km/h - 120 km/h, max sometimes 140km/h during overtaking)?

1) Safety (better wet grip and less chances of the tire bursting?)
2) Better NVH
3) Longer lasting

1st question is, would it be better to change to 215/55, 215/50, 205/50 or stick to 215/45?

2nd question is, any specific brand/model you would recommend based on the above?

Thanks and sorry if my questions are amateurish...
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post Jun 4 2013, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 4 2013, 03:38 PM)
stick to stock size, no need alteration as you're already on 17"
215/45/17 easier to find sizes and cheaper too as more tires produced for popular sizes hence cheaper price too.

for your criteria, since no budget is specified, consider yokohama Advan DB, it is their flagship comfort/low NVH tire
or can consider Nitto Invo, also their flagship in luxury/comfort/low NVH tires
if wet grip is your priority while you don't mind a little bit nvh compromise (compared to advan db/invo anyways) you can go with good year's flagship tire - Eagle F1 asymmetric 2 smile.gif

if you want safety (as you said, better wet grip) and good NVH, such tires will have to sacrifice on durability/lasting tread as they are typically constructed much softer
however if you don't drive fast/aggressive, they WILL last easily AT LEAST 50-60k km as these tires afaik are rated OVER 300 treadwear assuming you properly maintain them with correct pressure, proper alignment etc
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Thank you Quazacolt for the explanations. Out of the above recommendations, which gives better comfort? I think I should re-rank my criteria from the most important onwards:

1) Wet Grip (Just wondering if I don't drive fast, can this be pushed down in terms of priority below 'longer lasting'? I would assume the difference would not be significant between the recommended brands if I don't drive fast and take corners at high-speeds?)
2) Comfort
3) NVH
4) Longer lasting

The car will mainly be used as a family car hence the criteria.

Also, any comments on Michelin PS3? Thanks!
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post Jun 4 2013, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jun 4 2013, 04:07 PM)
The UTQG rating is actually stated at the sidewall of the tires, usually at the outer edge near the tread pattern. Some brands (but not all) also mention them in their product listing in their websites, so it's easy to check.

For 1st question, again like I said above, if you feel 215/45 is still comfortable enough for you then ok to just remain using that size. If you want a bit more comfort then change to 205/50. The other 2 sizes (215/50 & 215/55) are too big already. If your rims is at least 7.5 inch wide than can also consider 225/45. This will give you slightly more comfort and also better grip since it's 1cm wider.

As for the 2nd question, there are so many types of tires out there for many different price range, so it's rather difficult to recommend specifically. I'm personally now using 17' GY F1-D5 which is very good performance but slightly noisy which is still acceptable/normal for high performance tires. Even better one should be the F1 Assymetric2, at a slightly more expensive price. Other good all-round high performance tire is the Michelin PS3, but further more expensive. Other tires which I considered myself last time were Yokohama Advan Sport & Toyo T1 Sport. If you want cheaper tires but still offers very good performance and reliable, can opt for GT Radial Champiro HPY which is on the same performance class as the above but at much cheaper price. Note that these are all ultra high performance (UHP) level tires with tread wear around low 300 or even lower which is just 1 or 2 level lower than semi-slick tires, hence the durability might not match those middle/lower level tires, but they offer very good grip.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 4 2013, 07:00 PM)
most comfort should be Yokohama Advan DB, Nitto hard to say since it is just recently emerging in Malaysian market.

and yes, if you do not drive fast. eg: not over 100km/h in wet conditions, even basic cheap tires will suffice, however yes, having better tires will definitely be able to cope for emergency braking should it arises

for the 3 tires i mentioned, (for easy sake let's group comfort and nvh together):
1) goodyear
2) Yokohama
3) Nitto

however if you put wet grip as last, it'll be
1) Yokohama
2) Nitto
3) Goodyear
and depend if you want nitto's aggressive/unique tire tread styling (it is mainly marketed to american market, and it is under Toyo too btw wink.gif ) and maybe slightly better performance, you can rate it above Yokohama's advan DB

For Michelin PS3, it is a jack of all trades, master of none tire.
it is quiet/comfortable, however won't be as comfortable/quiet as Nitto invo/Yokohama Advan DB. it performs good in wet conditions, however it won't ever be as good as GY Eagle F1 AS2 as that tire benchmarked by sports car under wet conditions and it is after all, GY's flagship tire while PS3 isn't michelin's flagship smile.gif
That, and Michelin's tires are typically overpriced (of course one could probably argue the same with Yokohama's Advan lineup as it is their flagship tires) so personally i don't favor with Michelin tires at all smile.gif

if anything, it's treadwear does last long, however i don't think it'll be any much longer than gy/nitto/yokohama.
treadwear wise its ps3 (320) > eagle f1 as2 (300) > nitto (260), can't seem to get utqg rating for yokohama, however it'll be around 300/300+ around ps3/goodyear
and long lasting treadwear tires *TYPICALLY* don't perform well in performance/comfort/nvh as they are harder tire compound
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jun 4 2013, 07:34 PM)
Yes, Michelin is pretty expensive, like Pirelli, Continental, & BS also.

Yokohama put their UTQG rating in their website, so it's easy to find out. The Advan Sport has tread wear only 180 or 240 depending on size.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 4 2013, 07:48 PM)
not for Advan DB, although iinm their advan db does not have UTQG ratings as they tend to market advan sport over America since most oversea customers do demand performance in their luxury vehicles, not just comfort/nvh.

http://yokohamatire.jp/yrc/japan/searchbytirebrand.html
advan sport isn't exactly a comfort tire as you can see.
latest advan sport v105 (also uses their orange oil compound) are 240 treadwear rated

and oversea advan db isn't widely market which is why i don't think they have a proper UTQG rating.
That said, the old DB e-spec, has a 460 treadwear rating laugh.gif
http://www.tirerack.com/images/pdf/t_w_cat.pdf
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Jun 4 2013, 08:26 PM)
For some sizes, the Advan Sport even have tread wear only 180, matching the Advan Neova.
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Thanks both 6UE5T and Quazacolt for the detailed explanations. I will now go hunt for these few brands (Yokohama Advan DB, GY Eagle F1 AS2 and Nitto Invo) and compare and see. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

 

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