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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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EddyLB
post Jul 2 2013, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 2 2013, 06:32 AM)
Anyone who joined early stage of bull run made profit (e.g. gold), doesn't mean those who joined later's profit is guaranteed. Very often, those who profited early will pour back their capital and profit back to make more. Until the end of bull run or out of bull run earlier, no one in the bull run can certain will retain his profit and capital at the end.
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Bro cheer up ! You are the most negative person in the whole forum ! No wonder AVFAN says you are Dr Gloom of LYN. To you, even people who make profit, you feel that eventually their profit will turn into loss

No offence, but I can't imagine if I were to have such friends with such huge negative energy. I don't want to be close to you. At least rooney, tikaram, jblow etc their tone is still positive and energetic on other stuff

Bro, the sky above your head always got dark cloud ? Is there anything good in your life ?

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post Jul 2 2013, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jul 2 2013, 08:38 AM)
pls put me under same group with icemanfx ya.

i like icemanfx post very much.
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You are the most UUU man in this forum. Buy 15 biji property in such short time notworthy.gif

Don't say icemanfx is not in the same group with you, those so called UUU camp in this thread also cannot come close to you

You are here just to get entertainment from us rclxm9.gif
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post Jul 2 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(cockee @ Jul 2 2013, 04:03 PM)
Wealth is important but doesnt necessary reflects the quality of life. I knew a colleague who owned 5 properties but taking bus to work everyday. When we go for better food during lunch he always wont join (unless someone treating) because he wanted to save money. Last I heard, he suddenly passed away. He died a rich man, but lived his life like a poor man. What s the point?
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Life is one's choice. He may have lived a poor man's life in most people's eyes, but his choice makes himself happy

Most people like to enjoy life by spending money. But there are some minority who enjoy life by not spending money. Just for not spending money makes them happy.

Not right or wrong, just personal choice rclxms.gif
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post Jul 2 2013, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jul 2 2013, 04:08 PM)
fact : i am not buying 15 biji...

bcs the fact above u already wrong. so i can ignoring you like worgen, zuiko and the rest... good bye!
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Wow, didn't know you bought more rclxms.gif

Goodbye laugh.gif
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post Jul 2 2013, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(cockee @ Jul 2 2013, 04:19 PM)
No sir I am not referring to you personally. Sorry if there is any offence. 
My point is everyone has their own views towards happiness. Taking taxi is fine for someone, but a waste of time for others. Some enjoy dumping money into properties and see their wealth grow. Some enjoy driving around in a BMW instead of buying more properties. From financial perspective the former is smarter than the latter. But from enjoyment of life perspective, the latter could be wiser.
The problem is many forummers have a narrow point of view; either you are wrong or I am right kind of mentality. And making too much assumptions about the other parties.
I am from a DDD camp but doeant mean I think prices of ALL properties will come down, or there is no good buy in the market now. Nor affordability is an issue to me.
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Are you not having a narrow point of view too ? laugh.gif

He may die a happy man. Just because he doesn't spend (like we did), doesn't mean he is not happy

Sometimes we put our value unto someone else's. And say they are wrong. But in life, there is no right or wrong thumbup.gif

This thread is getting into cars, and now into philosophy too laugh.gif
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post Jul 2 2013, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(cockee @ Jul 2 2013, 04:36 PM)
Err.. make make you said I have a narrow point of view?

Did I said that guy is wrong? Did I said he was not happy? I disagreed with his choice of lifestyle, but respected and did not condemn it. Then I asked a rhetoric question, to emphasize my opinion.

Your statement above is an example of jumping into conclusion.  rolleyes.gif
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I totally understand what you are saying laugh.gif

You didn't get the true spirit of this thread. After so many version, this thread is more like a thread in /k laugh.gif

Take it easy bro. If I offended you, my apologies. Will be more careful with your posting next time notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 2 2013, 04:43 PM)
Fuyooh..... Moderator pleassssssse don't close this thread ok?......  notworthy.gif
It's very entertaining......  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Moderator has set the offside trap line very clear. If nobody press the report button, we can continue. When someone can't take the comment and press the button, then we go into the freezer again laugh.gif
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post Jul 3 2013, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 3 2013, 02:11 AM)
After experienced bull run ended in 1987, 1997 and 2008, don't count your chicken before it hatched.

I friend with people in all walk of life but my brethen are likely to black ball you for your attitude towards people.

Betting in risky speculation is not the only way to create wealth. As I said earlier, if one has a roof over his head, Malaysia property market is not the only place available for investment, there are lower risk and better opportunity elsewhere.

I live a simple life, good food satisfied me enormously; had 16oz aged USDA prime ribeye and 2lb lobster in the U.S. and paid my annual homage to North Bondi Italian earlier this year, and looking forward to tortellini in Bologna and paella in Valencia before year end  rclxm9.gif  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif
Don't under estimate 'small' man, probably the watch 'small' man is wearing to work could worth more than your car.
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Your chicken takes 20+ years to hatch ? What an egg you have. Is it from Neptune ? laugh.gif

Seriously, there are many report cards during your life. But it seems to you there is only 1 ultimate report card to sum up your success - the report card at the time you die. Where got fun like that ? If you made money during 1987, then that is a report card. The chicken has hatched. If you lost money during 1997, then that is another report card. You egg is rotten. Do you cry over your rotten egg ? No ! You accept it, look forward, and work harder to redeem the money you loss !

Bro, many people survived the downturn during 1987, 1997 and 2008, and emerge stronger ! Only people who have experienced the downturn will be confident of how to manage crisis. And they will say there is nothing to be afraid of during economic crisis as long as you are prepared for it. Economic crisis is not the end of the world. It is a phenomenon in economics. It WILL happen one day. If you are afraid of economic downturn, then you will be stucked at where you stand forever. Because economic downturn is 100% sure to hit us one day

Embraced the negative happenings in your life and ride through it. That is how a man grow up.

I know no amount of words can convince you now, until you have actually seen yourself through 1 economic crisis and emerge stronger. Then it will change your view on your life.

On a positive note, you wrote longer now to express yourself which shows you are more confident on the subject. Keep it up ! thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jul 3 2013, 06:30 AM)
Sooner or later somebody ll start checking on religion and comment if the belief allows buying props!!!
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Was puzzled why nobody talked about women yet laugh.gif
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post Jul 3 2013, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 3 2013, 10:27 AM)
Unfortunately, most players in bull run didn't expect the sudden end, were ill prepared and many ended up worst off then when they first started.

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Ok lah bro, since you believe so strongly people will get burnt 1 day, it is better for you not to do anything. Keep your money in the safest place and enjoy your food ! thumbup.gif

BTW, careful about your diet. Red meat is not good. Take more vege !
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jul 3 2013, 08:26 AM)
I hear women? Where?smile.gif
Or is it someone's wife?
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You ask for it...... drool.gif If you don't have patient, fast forward to 3:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KkjxXD9ygk

If all property agents in malaysia are like that, how can the property market collapse ? It will only go UUUUU ! thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Jul 6 2013, 11:27 PM)
far too many people though the US real estate imploded in 2008. No. Not at all.

As early as late 2005 and beginning from 2006:
1. Peak price has reached in all states (housing starts also peaked)
2. Home builder stocks and index drop over 20% and continue through 2008
3. Building materials and downstream industry i.e. furniture, appliance.... business getting bad
4. Home price maintained for most market until 2008. Some area dropped but not significant.
5. Interest rate bottom out
6. Bank start to tighten
7. even the NPL still looked healthy though default has built up slowly
8. Inventory start building up till peak in 2008

(feel free to cross check the data above, I have done it already but lazy to site the source here)

What I'm trying to say is market won't imploded all of sudden but is a lengthy process. Based of what happened, US took more than 24 months to 'matured'. So did Ireland, Spain, Greek. All without an exception, none has real estate burst but in fact, a credit shrinkage that caused the house card of leverage investment like real estate, stock and etc....... collapsed
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Great analysis ! After the BNM announce the new rules, the property market will collapse in the next 6 months ! These BNM rules which allows investors to borrow a mere 35 years max is considered watershed decision that will kick start the 2013 bubble burst. The previous allowable tenure of a whopping 40 years were considered the root cause of the property bubble, hence the BNM now made the critical correction of their grieve mistake made previously. After the new BNM rulings, all flippers will be badly affected by the credit crunch. Money supply will be profoundly tighten, and interest rates is expected to rise by at least 200 basis points by this max 35 years ruling. This ruling will be considered the defining moment in the history of malaysian property sector. Bubble will burst and everybody should sell sell sell now to avoid being trapped and become the greatest fool cry.gif
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QUOTE(agentdiary @ Jul 7 2013, 12:00 AM)
Might be a messy scene in BNM tying to put down the fire on the problematic debts problems. I am sure there is enough whistle blower out there both from pundits and higher profile like Matthias Chang in his blog..... sign.

Sell now? i think a bit too late lah. Just to share, many agents I know especially in sub-sale are having bad business since end of 2012.
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Yea, my units near KLCC and MK had trouble renting out since Friday. And my 2 loan applications were rejected on Friday. Worse still, I received demand letters from my 7 banks on Friday, a few hours after BNM's announcement

The bubble is here !! Sell Sell Sell everyone !! While you still can !!

p/s don't report my post again ya.....if not this thread is going to be locked again laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jul 7 2013, 01:09 AM)
So bad? Your mk unit is which condo? My friends are looking for cheap deal in mk and I told them where got to find. Maybe you are willing to let go at below valuation price?
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I confirm the situation is as bad as what agentdiary says. Have not seen anything worse after BNM's announcement on Friday.

I will PM you the details. Fast sale needed. Willing to sell at 20% below market. Hope you are my life saver. I pray it is not too late as agentdiary suggest....
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Guys, my posting is as serious as agentdiary's......


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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jul 7 2013, 01:30 AM)
Then u better let go 30% below valuation to get immediate sales..... If not in a week time your prop value may be only 50%......  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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You got a very valid point. I always value agentdiary's comment highly. Will take your suggestion of 30% into consideration too because the market is really very bad after BNM's announcement on Friday.

Look at what happened to gold. I must learn from gold's sudden drop in price in Apr/May. Just 1 month and BANG it happened. I won't allow history to repeat again on my properties and quickly sell off all my condos on DIBS + zero down. I got no choice but to cut loss cry.gif

Sell sell sell !!! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jul 7 2013, 07:59 AM)
Wah bro, too harsh aren't u??? tongue.gif  drool.gif

But entertaining thou. rclxms.gif  brows.gif
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Haha, my above view is just as extreme as agentdiary's. Or like you said just as entertaining like a comedy like his comment. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jul 7 2013, 08:10 AM)
Boss thou I think u r jokingly or accidentally given the wrong answer, but pls do consider me if u wanna sell below 30% of market price. drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif

Best is half the bank valuation lo. I pay u up front of ethg with a MOU, then can do transfer anytime when u feel free. brows.gif  Ini macam so seh boh??? thumbup.gif
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When there is an offer with 20% discount on the market now, it will be snapped up in no time. Don't talk about 20%, even 5% there are buyers lining up. Besides here, I even receive PMs from some silent readers !!! The buyers, not the sellers are still desperate, in this current market.

It just shows that BNM got to do more to cool down the market. DDD are over-reading the move laugh.gif

Boss, advise me if i sell the property where do I park the money ? It will be another headache laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jul 7 2013, 10:16 AM)
Bnm need to go on harder on all dibs and rebates. Oso restrict on max mof 80% if they wan a consistency in $$$ flow in market. Genuine and strong buyers ll stil go on shopping spree while stop some young ppl fr abusing personal loan for non productive usage ir spending.

Hence, rental market ll eventually improve.

Boss if u sell, no need to sell cheap la. Just sell if price is gd. If u wanna park $$$, vely simple, buy again when the gov furtfurther tighten the regulation. If can pls include siu dai in ur jv plan if any. Let me hav some candy ya. Tqtq
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Haha you are a bigger boss in property than me lah.

We have been talking about bubble since years. I know it will come. Maybe not to the extent of collapse but correction will still happen 1 day. Maybe 5-10% ? As history in malaysian property showed us, the is no total collapse before.

So, if the same is true for the next downturn, then is it worthwhile to sell now ? Sell now to buy back at 5-10% cheaper later ? If i am certain about the timing, then i will do it. But the problem is nobody can time the market. So, the risk is not worth it for 5-10%. What if price doesnt fall but increase ?

Furthermore i think at this point in time, the worse case is stagnant for the market. There are still many buyers who wait for the price reduction and ready to jump in when the price drop just RM50k. i am sure you and me are one of them icon_rolleyes.gif So what is the point of selling now, right ?

I think for the market to fall, the world economy has to be hit hard. And employees in malaysia lost jobs and cannot service their loan. 2008 there is China to support the world economy. Malaysia is not affected by much. This round i hope USA will support the world economy and save malaysia economy again
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QUOTE(ReenaRina @ Jul 9 2013, 05:12 PM)
Hi. I am looking to buy an apartment in Putramas, dutamas(Segambut), Jalan Ipoh/ Jalan Kuching area. At present I am renting a fully furnished unit for RM 2000/ month in Royal Domain Sri Putramas 2 (Off jalan Kuching). As my budget is well below RM 500k ( only because of the property market of course!)  and most decent apartments in these areas are costing beyond RM 500K including Sri Putramas 2, I am sort of in a serious dilemma especially after BNM’s announcement of capping the loan term as well as percentage given.

1. Will the property market take a slight dip? I am now seriously          hunting for a buy, therefore should I wait or should I just go for it?
2. I have seen a unit in Putramas 1 yesterday. It is 1100 Sqft and fully furnished(decent furnishing) with renovation as well as with 2 car parks. The owner is asking for RM480K. is it worth paying that price for that property.

I hope someone can give me some clear insights on these. Thanks so much!
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Just my 2 sen....

If it is for own stay, there is no difference if the market goes up or down. You are not going to sell whatever happens. As long as you can service the bank installment, then the price of your property will increase over time

Find the house that you like and buy. You can never time the market.

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