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 V11 - Property Prices Discussion, Intelligent debates only pls

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TSkochin
post Jun 5 2013, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(prody @ Jun 5 2013, 05:07 PM)
Might? smile.gif LOL
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yeah lah.
but so many creative people at work nowadays.

5 years? sap sap sui.
there's launches stretching to 48 months delivery now.
so only need to hold one additional year.

some also allow free maintenance for 2 years.

coupled with DIBS, renovation loan, blah blah blah.
the average joe can still leverage to the max.

may i suggest:
1. no dibs (goes together with no creative financing nor funny rebates)
2. 20% downpayment ... period (no financing, no rebates, no discount, etc). if insist on discount, pay 20% of absolute final price. no subsidy into mark up price


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post Jun 5 2013, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(himalaya81 @ Jun 5 2013, 05:09 PM)
I have asked this question to my bank investment officer.

Should based on amount of property as your risk is also that amount.

Should also add into other opportunity cost like tax, rpgt, legal fees, loan interest charges and etc.
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but in truth, a lot of seasoned investors have fully paid off their props.
it might be a miniscule 1% return on present market value, but it could still be 20% return based on their original price.
eg. sungai wang retail lots?

some would be easily contented to benchmark against original price because that's the only payment they paid.
not everyone is a finance wizard. no need future value, net present value, etc jargons to work out precisely.
old ah pek just know pay rm100k today, 10 years later rm10k per annum is good enough. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 5 2013, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jun 5 2013, 07:00 PM)
It makes u ask urself is it worth it doesnt it? Considering that AS1M could give u 7.6%
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As1m might give u 7% base on amount vested but props gives u 5% of return by 10% of ur vested amount.
Cocr wise, which is better?

Disclaimer: am not dissing as1m nor promoting prop investment! smile.gif
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post Jun 6 2013, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 6 2013, 03:02 PM)
I can sense some UUU camp own a few props and make a few 100K (some on paper only) think they are taiko here... LoL... How sad... Funniest part is and already said so many times; if UUU camp know that prices only go up, then they should go buy more instead of trying to encourage others to buy... So what have UUU camp bought in the recent months???

Seriously don't understand... unless of course when others buy they benefit and there are only three scenarios in which that works... 1) they are agents 2) they work for developers 3)they're looking for exit and need buyers... LoL!!! you go figure..
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i somewhat agrees with you.
some flippers do think they are invincible.


but having said so, it's even more puzzling to note some DDD actually bought something in recent months.
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post Jun 6 2013, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 6 2013, 03:52 PM)
I'm fine with DDD buying in recent months IF 1) they are getting a really good deal (in terms of price psf) or 2) their circumstances have left them with no choice... some may have done it due to WH4 reasons... anyway for any other reasons, I find it pretty weird.
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i think some UUU campers also did declared because of their beliefs, they have sorta maxed out leveraging their loans liao.
LTV 70% effect working?

anyway, referring to your 1) above, if they believe prices coming down, wouldn't it contradict their beliefs?
let's say i spot a unit. say RM50psf lower than present market value of say RM500psf.
if my strong believe that property prices is going to come down, why shouldn't i wait further?
as joeblows boss pointed out earlier, the person might be able to scoop better conditioned unit with same pricing when property prices come down.
this is where i don't get it. hmm.gif

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post Jun 7 2013, 09:17 AM

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nicely done. i think it pretty much sums it all up. thumbup.gif notworthy.gif nod.gif
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post Jun 7 2013, 09:23 AM

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again manu boss, very well said.
one of my longer holding props having the same tenant for more than 6 years. i nvr increase his rent. giving me about 8.5% gross rent per annum based on ori purchase price. translated to current market value, only a paltry 3.2% gross.
recently told me that he's moving out. called my agent and less than a week secured me a new one adjusted to current market rate. immediate jump to 11.5% gross rent over ori price. and still a paltry 4.3% gross over market value.
some people would never understand why wanna invest went yield is so darn low. they wanted immediate results hence discarded timeline consideration.
most cases, holding period of 3-5 years would be sufficient to ride out the low return years, right?
of course good investors would start the ball rolling with higher returns. people like pai, only targetting double digit returns with immediate purchases?

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post Jun 7 2013, 09:26 AM

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new motto:

you don't do well, yet you don't ask;
you ask, yet you don't listen;
you listen, yet you don't understand;
you understand; yet you don't do;
you do, yet you don't do well.....



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post Jun 7 2013, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jun 7 2013, 09:56 AM)
More people around you wanted to buy or sell?
Identify first one :1) Kh8668 tongue.gif

u will come at a point some up up up camp saying this again in V11.
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- Anytime is a good time to buy

- Properties prices will always go up in the long-term

- The market cannot collapse because of demand from foreigners

- Mickey mouse units are the trend of the future

http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/property-...-151909308.html
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no need to susah susah pusing pusing.
ask you a very direct question.
only need to answer Y/N.

- "Anytime is a good time to buy". Y or N?

- "Properties prices will usually go up in the long-term". Y or N?

- "The market cannot collapse because of demand from foreigners." Y or N? nvrm, i answer for you for this one. N

- "Mickey mouse units are the trend of the future". Y or N?

if not replying at all, nvrm.
and may i suggest in order for people not to disturb you, you shall do the same.

Newton's law
"for every action there will be an equal and opposite reaction"
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post Jun 7 2013, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jun 7 2013, 10:10 AM)
i already answered those. tongue.gif

you ask, yet you don't listen;
you listen, yet you don't understand;
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pusing pusing rclxub.gif

A: i would like to buy a tag heuer watch but it's too expensive

2 years later after promotion,
A: i would like to buy a rolex watch but it's too expensive. i dislike tag heuer because too cheap

different time, different perception.



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post Jun 7 2013, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jun 7 2013, 10:15 AM)
u need to add this into your moto

you understand; yet you act don't understand tongue.gif

I like your moto thumbup.gif
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again violating Newton's law and your previous plea.

you rather pusing pusing than to type just 3 letters. doh.gif
Y,Y,Y;
N,N,N;
or any other combo.


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post Jun 7 2013, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(CroZz @ Jun 7 2013, 10:19 AM)
Got one more...

you know; yet you pretend dunno ;p
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that one is another moto:

you know what you know;
you know what you don't know;
you don't know what you know;
you don't know what you don't know.
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post Jun 7 2013, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jun 7 2013, 10:36 AM)
Kochin Gor.

Do you know what u are talking?

property is the biggest investment for majority people at the street.... most malaysian using 20 years to pay if off.

you are rich and can buy like buying vegi. but pls la....

gosh!... i need to go play with my children again to release these type of tension.  How come suddendly inteligent become not so inteligent?

if you die die must win.... I again let you win lo. happy?
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pusing pusing again rclxub.gif whistling.gif
nvrm, this time i repeat your pleas. but i go one step further.

i plea you..... no no no..... i BEG you, to leave me alone. that means never again reply or quote me in any of your postings. thumbup.gif

different channel. people talk earth language die die want to talk martian. doh.gif
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post Jun 7 2013, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(joeblows @ Jun 7 2013, 12:04 PM)
1) N

2) Y. But note that is "usually". Not "always". Also note "Long-term". 3 years? 5 years? 10 years? 15 years? 50 years?

3) N

4) N
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my version:
- "Anytime is a good time to buy". Y but with disclaimer.

- "Properties prices will usually go up in the long-term". Y. Long term? Let's just pegged it at more than 10 years shall we and pls drop the inlfation or opporunity or whatever cost during those time line. And yes, thanks for noticing my revision of the word from always to usually.

- "The market cannot collapse because of demand from foreigners." Obvious by now.

- "Mickey mouse units are the trend of the future". Real rough call.

mickey mouse is here because of demand or affordability?
Chances are a bit of both and the line further distorted with blurring lines of affordability hence 'forcing' acceptance of these units.
Given a choice, guess most would prefer something bigger. But need to train the mind to accept smaller units due to $$$ constraint lor.

Just like the saying, "The xxx is the new yyy" eg. The 400k's are the new 300k's; the 800sf is the new 1000sf;

Feel free to disagree.....


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QUOTE(Steven83 @ Jun 7 2013, 12:51 PM)
"Mickey mouse units are the trend of the future". I think this will 100% happens, SOHO is a good example of this. Even in other nation such as HK, China and Japan.....most of them stay in Mickey mouse unit. Because developer are profit taker, as long they can sell, they will do that. And the government will support that also, to ease their headace for increase in instability due to price inflation and poor governing policy. In fact this is what your government do...avoid the real cure and go for shortcuts.
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do we not share the same government? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 7 2013, 01:59 PM)
Thanks for sharing events in last year (FIRE SALE) and year before... hope you can answer the question, i.e. bought any in the recent months, if yes please share where and how much and if no, please share why... Thanks... (I take it that its a NO, cos you didn't answer the question in your first reply).
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thought he answered you no in his opening para? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 7 2013, 03:19 PM)
Just want to know reason you didn't buy only ... isit because price too high or no good location or any other reasons? Relax... you bought last year (because fire sale) i.e. not at the current market at the time la... so is it that you haven't bought this year because you haven't found any fire sales (below market)? Curious...

Yea spotted a few that dropped in asking by around 10% (I think this is mid 2011 asking price... please refer to my older post for more information and don't waste time asking me where and which cause I won't reveal. My relative in the midst of negotiating with one owner on price currently, they are currently at 2008 price, but my relative want lower so we see how that discussion goes... please don't ask where cos I won't reveal also... I hope my answer answers your questions... relax la... we're here to share mah...
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wah lau weh...
back to 2008 is good price liao, no?
unless the place is really on super bearish mode.
i think if your relative don't want, a lot of people would be genuinely interested to know where and hope you share it out after the deal (successful or not irrelevant).
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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 7 2013, 03:30 PM)
Answered 'no' without reasons... just curious on his approach... I.e if he is a believer of always up, then why is he not buying? If he is looking for fire sales (i.e. below market) then does this mean that he is taking precaution against a potential down market in the near future because buying fire sale will give him a buffer to work with.... No answers so I don't want to assume but I find it surprising that an ardent UP camp member that believes that prices will only increase has sold his low-end units and not bought anything yet this year... if prices only go up then should buy now else you'll miss out... It can't be the case that he can't obtain loan because apparently he is a property tycoon and also the fact that he already exited on two or three (I can't really remember and I'm lazy to check) properties so shouldn't be a problem... so a big question is WHY hasn't one of the strongest believers of UP market bought anything this year??? Very intriguing, is it because this UP camper feels that prices will decline? I don't know... I look forward to his sharing.
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very good and sharp observation boss. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Jun 7 2013, 04:53 PM)
Apparently got some UUUU camp that doesn't like money, that's why they are cashing out of the market and not buying.

Maybe he wants to become a monk? Like the book "The Monk who sold his Ferrari"? LOL!!
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chillax lah....
just like DDD who claims they are buying below market price units, am quite sure UUU campers doesn't BBB (blindly blindly buy).

and yes, i agree present market prices are high (at least to me personally).
i cannot afford it doesn't mean others can't
a solid testament to this was tropicana gardens.

i wouldn't touch it with a 10 ft pole.
and i was wrong to the core with the solid purchases for the first 2 blocks.

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post Jun 7 2013, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Rooney1985 @ Jun 7 2013, 05:03 PM)
I think some down campers can afford current prices, just that they don't see that the current prices is reflects the value.
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aiyoh rooney boss, same statement applies to UUU campers lah.
i think they also easily afford current prices, just that they don't see the value also mah.
kekeke.

so, DDD = UUU?
happy family lor.
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