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TakoC
post Jun 10 2013, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(GottliebDaimler @ Jun 10 2013, 10:50 AM)
I am trying to digest this.
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Why hard? Like my case IRR 7.8% but 1 fund is bringing it down. But I stay invested nonetheless. In simple words, if your other funds can cover your losing fund loss, top up the losing fund. That is Pink and gark theory.
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 10:59 AM)
Sell most bond winners and move to worst performing equity.. because bond went up during the period and equity dropped. Why you want to put in best performer?

Pink Spider Please give these people the portfolio balancing theory lesson?  tongue.gif
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Always start with a Target Allocation
e.g. 50% equity, within which 10% Malaysia, 10% Asia Ex-Japan, 30% global + 50% bond

If equity dropped, e.g. to 40% of your portfolio
Malaysia become 9%, Asia Ex-Japan 7%, global 24%

U take out money from bond to top up on equity funds to make it become
50% equity, within which 10% Malaysia, 10% Asia Ex-Japan, 30% global + 50% bond again
I.e. u will top up most on global, a bit on Asia Ex-Japan and a little bit on Malaysia

That's the basic.

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jun 10 2013, 11:03 AM
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 10:36 AM)
No not 1 fund, but several... i place >50% in pacific ex japan and some in US, china etc. More or less equity is >80%, You think leh?

Whole portfolio is about -45% lar at the worst period.
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Even at -45% loss you still invested right? Do you cash out partially or keep topping up?
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(jerrymax @ Jun 10 2013, 11:04 AM)
Even at -45% loss you still invested right? Do you cash out partially or keep topping up?
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No I was fully invested, add fresh funds and switch bonds. wink.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 10 2013, 11:02 AM)
doh.gif

Always start with a Target Allocation
e.g. 50% equity, within which 10% Malaysia, 10% Asia Ex-Japan, 30% global + 50% bond

If equity dropped, e.g. to 40% of your portfolio
Malaysia become 9%, Asia Ex-Japan 7%, global 24%

U take out money from bond to top up on equity funds to make it become
50% equity, within which 10% Malaysia, 10% Asia Ex-Japan, 30% global + 50% bond again
I.e. u will top up most on global, a bit on Asia Ex-Japan and a little bit on Malaysia

That's the basic.
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My balancing is less rigid, depending on bullishness, i do alter the bond %... laugh.gif Bit more difficult, so don't follow.

During super bear period, my bond can go to 0% one...

This post has been edited by gark: Jun 10 2013, 11:08 AM
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 11:06 AM)
My balancing is less rigid, depending on bullishness, i do alter the bond %... laugh.gif Bit more difficult, so don't follow.
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Like I say lor, that's the BASIC THEORY.

How much to rebalance
When to rebalance

That's up to your personal judgement and risk appetite (and free ammo) wink.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jun 10 2013, 11:08 AM
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 10 2013, 11:01 AM)
Why hard? Like my case IRR 7.8% but 1 fund is bringing it down. But I stay invested nonetheless. In simple words, if your other funds can cover your losing fund loss, top up the losing fund. That is Pink and gark theory.
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Ya, I roughly understand the concept behind it.

My next step will be to establish a suitable portfolio, then only can follow the concept.

Because so far I only have 3 funds.

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 10 2013, 11:02 AM)
doh.gif

Always start with a Target Allocation
e.g. 50% equity, within which 10% Malaysia, 10% Asia Ex-Japan, 30% global + 50% bond

If equity dropped, e.g. to 40% of your portfolio
Malaysia become 9%, Asia Ex-Japan 7%, global 24%

U take out money from bond to top up on equity funds to make it become
50% equity, within which 10% Malaysia, 10% Asia Ex-Japan, 30% global + 50% bond again
I.e. u will top up most on global, a bit on Asia Ex-Japan and a little bit on Malaysia

That's the basic.
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Now I'm not sure if my existing funds are alligned. doh.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 10:59 AM)
Sell most bond winners and move to worst performing equity.... because bond went up during the period and equity dropped. Why you want to put in best performer?  rclxub.gif
Pink Spider Please give these people the portfolio balancing theory lesson?  tongue.gif
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but my bond also drop during that period..but not as bad as Eq.
no matter what i still have to rebalance the portfolio by selling the bond and topping up the other asset class. i think i get it
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 10 2013, 11:09 AM)
but my bond also drop during that period..but not as bad as Eq.
no matter what i still have to rebalance the portfolio by selling the bond and topping up the other asset class. i think i get it
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Think in terms of %, not $
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:15 AM

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Here is some quotes of trying to time the market...

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"Far more money has been lost by investors preparing for corrections, or trying to anticipate corrections, than has been lost in corrections themselves."- Peter Lynch

"I can't recall ever once having seen the name of a market timer on Forbes' annual list of the richest people in the world. If it were truly possible to predict corrections, you'd think somebody would have made billions by doing it." - Peter Lynch


Peter Lynch is one of the best fund managers which has beat the S&P for 20 straight years.
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"'Market timing' is unappealing to long-term investors. As in hunting deer or fishing for rainbow trout, investors have learned the importance of 'being there' and using patient persistence -- so they are there when opportunity knocks." - Charles Ellis

"The only value of stock forecasters is to make fortune-tellers look good." - WB

"Do you know what investing for the long run but listening to market news everyday is like? It's like a man walking up a big hill with a yo-yo and keeping his eyes fixed on the yo-yo instead of the hill." - Alan Ebelson
This post has been edited by gark: Jun 10 2013, 11:16 AM
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 10:52 AM)
you will head to your doom by being greedy.
I target only 8% return yearly...on average ... over very very long term.
Have a realistic target and you will not stress over it too much.
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doh.gif i was planning to hv a return of 8+4% pa
the 4% was to be reloaded into the portfolio to cater for the inflation...8% is the annual expense...
any way for a portfolio to do that? icon_question.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 10 2013, 11:19 AM)
doh.gif  i was planning to hv a return of 8+4% pa
the 4% was to be reloaded into the portfolio to cater for the inflation...8% is the annual expense...
any way for a portfolio to do that? icon_question.gif
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Can... take more risk loh... heavier allocation for higher risk equity whistling.gif

But crash and burn if you are unlucky.. wink.gif

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post Jun 10 2013, 11:24 AM

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"Do you know what investing for the long run but listening to market news everyday is like? It's like a man walking up a big hill with a yo-yo and keeping his eyes fixed on the yo-yo instead of the hill." - Alan Ebelson thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
i like this one....cos i am now like that oops.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 11:20 AM)
But crash and burn if you are unlucky.. wink.gif
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cry.gif cry.gif the Burning has already started...my FSM portfolio is now -1.7%, the worst is AGE - 3.3%

thanks i do agree to what was posted by
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Having sifu Unker gark in the thread is truly refreshing and educational notworthy.gif notworthy.gif




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post Jun 10 2013, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 9 2013, 02:14 PM)
U have to do it yourself.

1. Look at your funds' latest monthly fact sheet, here u can see the geographic allocation for each fund
2. Do your own chart

E.g.
Your portfolio size: RM10,000
Fund A: 70% Malaysia + 15% HK + 15% SG, and u hold RM8,000 in Fund A
Fund B: 80% USA + 15% Europe + 5% HK, and u hold RM2,000 in Fund B

HK exposure in your portfolio: (RM8,000 x 15% + RM2,000 x 5%)/RM10,000 = 13%
GEM underperformed lately, and if you look at the charts for Russian and Brazilian equities
Pink, enlighten me here as I'm trying to calculate my geographical allocation for PGSF and HSAQ. But can't seem to find the it in the fundsheet.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYPMFGSF.pdf

Btw for HSAQ case, if 12.5% is in cash and cash equivalent, my total calculate portfolio would only be 87.5%. It wouldn't tie back to 100%.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...heetMYHWAQF.pdf
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 10 2013, 11:35 AM)
Pink, enlighten me here as I'm trying to calculate my geographical allocation for PGSF and HSAQ. But can't seem to find the it in the fundsheet.

http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...eetMYPMFGSF.pdf

Btw for HSAQ case, if 12.5% is in cash and cash equivalent, my total calculate portfolio would only be 87.5%. It wouldn't tie back to 100%.
http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/admin...heetMYHWAQF.pdf
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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3446244
See my chart, I also have a part for cash

As for PGSF, they dun have geo allocation on monthly fact sheet. I just take their latest annual/interim report geo allocation
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 10 2013, 11:39 AM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=3446244
See my chart, I also have a part for cash

As for PGSF, they dun have geo allocation on monthly fact sheet. I just take their latest annual/interim report geo allocation
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Eh, not updated want right? Hahahaha!

My PGSF is ~-3% already. Yours should be worst I think tongue.gif
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 10 2013, 11:43 AM)
Eh, not updated want right? Hahahaha!

My PGSF is ~-3% already. Yours should be worst I think tongue.gif
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-3.64% including Sales Charge laugh.gif

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Hi All,

Yesterday I listened to a Public Mutual agent explaining about the product etc and went to read up on it here through the PM thread and read some commenting on the high SC etc.

Saw quite a number of ppl talking bout FSM. I would like to know, how easy or hard is it to DIY UT investing through FSM vs just paying the SC for an agent to do it for me...?
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QUOTE(cheerz~ @ Jun 10 2013, 11:47 AM)
Hi All,

Yesterday I listened to a Public Mutual agent explaining about the product etc and went to read up on it here through the PM thread and read some commenting on the high SC etc.

Saw quite a number of ppl talking bout FSM. I would like to know, how easy or hard is it to DIY UT investing through FSM vs just paying the SC for an agent to do it for me...?
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With FSM, it's not really 100% DIY, u have LiveHelp to help u on procedures and technical matters, and Client Investment Specialists to advise u on investment ideas. Best of all, they're available online most of the time during office hours, for free. U can also call them over the phone.

Agents are, after all, salesmen.

DIY, and you will learn more along the way.

It's all up to u wink.gif

This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jun 10 2013, 11:54 AM

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