o mai <3 just what I need. Ty pink.
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Jun 2 2013, 12:53 AM
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o mai <3 just what I need. Ty pink.
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Jun 2 2013, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 2 2013, 12:48 AM) Well. It may be the best in it's league but it's definitely not in overall. Yes it outperform its benchmark but there are a lot other funds which is outperform GEM fund. in term of IRR this fund among the lower rank in my overall portfolio. We buy UT, one common objective good return isn't it ? Pink will tell you that diversification.But somehow I agree with you. Even if fund A returns and market is not as attractive as fund B (and fund A exposure is not yet in my portfolio). I won't buy it if I know Fund B will perform better. |
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Jun 2 2013, 05:53 AM
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 2 2013, 01:12 AM) Pink will tell you that diversification. But somehow I agree with you. Even if fund A returns and market is not as attractive as fund B (and fund A exposure is not yet in my portfolio). I won't buy it if I know Fund B will perform better. anyway, i too, sometimes had both sides of my brains arguing with each others......ha-ha..1 side said, as long as it makes $$ it is ok, but the other side said...diversification for you may be safer on the "just in case"... |
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Jun 2 2013, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 2 2013, 12:48 AM) Well. It may be the best in it's league but it's definitely not in overall. Yes it outperform its benchmark but there are a lot other funds which is outperform GEM fund. in term of IRR this fund among the lower rank in my overall portfolio. We buy UT, one common objective good return isn't it ? Guess my timing was right, currently my holding yielding IRR of 4.5% (Sales Charge included), decent I'd say. |
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Jun 2 2013, 07:25 AM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 2 2013, 05:53 AM) anyway, i too, sometimes had both sides of my brains arguing with each others......ha-ha..1 side said, as long as it makes $$ it is ok, but the other side said...diversification for you may be safer on the "just in case"... This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jun 2 2013, 07:29 AM |
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Jun 2 2013, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 2 2013, 07:23 AM) Guess my timing was right, currently my holding yielding IRR of 4.5% (Sales Charge included), decent I'd say. May be, since when you holding this fund and how long period already ? my net profit from this fund is 3.8% (included SC 6% direct purchased from Prudential that time). So is this a considerable good, better or best fund to invest ? i would say so-so in future you would never knows. |
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Jun 2 2013, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 2 2013, 01:12 AM) Pink will tell you that diversification. Well said diversification, UT itself already diversified your investment. Diversification your fund allocation is a good practice but sometimes too diversified may not yield good return.But somehow I agree with you. Even if fund A returns and market is not as attractive as fund B (and fund A exposure is not yet in my portfolio). I won't buy it if I know Fund B will perform better. |
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Jun 2 2013, 03:00 PM
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I already have an account with iFast Capital
https://www.ifastcapital.com.my/ifast/home/index.svdo I just wonder what difference between FSM and iFast, since both of them are related somewhat |
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Jun 2 2013, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 2 2013, 03:00 PM) I already have an account with iFast Capital from the link you provided....https://www.ifastcapital.com.my/ifast/home/index.svdo I just wonder what difference between FSM and iFast, since both of them are related somewhat www.ifastcorp.com iFAST Corporation Private Limited ("iFAST Corp") is the holding company of iFAST-OSK Sdn Bhd which holds 82% of iFAST Capital Sdn Bhd. www.fundsupermart.com Fundsupermart.com is the online unit trust distribution arm of iFAST Financial. Fundsupermart.com has an in-house research team to provide independent research in mutual funds and online tools to assist self-directed investors to invest easily online. |
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Jun 2 2013, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 2 2013, 10:03 AM) Well said diversification, UT itself already diversified your investment. Diversification your fund allocation is a good practice but sometimes too diversified may not yield good return. I hope I don't piss all the sifu off here by saying this.But having a too diversified portfolio is not a good thing sometimes. I believe I have a higher portfolio yield than some of the sifu here who have a wide diversification. But of course, once the market hits me. It'll hit hard. I have got a taste of the 'poison' yet. So diversation is syill the way to go lar. Decision is HOW diversify. |
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Jun 2 2013, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 2 2013, 05:02 PM) I hope I don't piss all the sifu off here by saying this. No piss off, different ppl, different preference. But having a too diversified portfolio is not a good thing sometimes. I believe I have a higher portfolio yield than some of the sifu here who have a wide diversification. But of course, once the market hits me. It'll hit hard. I have got a taste of the 'poison' yet. So diversation is syill the way to go lar. Decision is HOW diversify. I want to sleep sound at nite about my UT portfolio, hence I diversify it in such way that it will (hopefully) go up and down in line with global markets. What I keep in my control is the different % I allocate to the different regions. If in the event that my portfolio kaput, I think most likely the world economy is a gone case already, my job also not secure. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jun 2 2013, 05:43 PM |
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Jun 2 2013, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 2 2013, 03:00 PM) I already have an account with iFast Capital Why don't u ask iFast and/or FSM and tell us the difference between opening an account with iFast and opening an account with FSM https://www.ifastcapital.com.my/ifast/home/index.svdo I just wonder what difference between FSM and iFast, since both of them are related somewhat |
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Jun 2 2013, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 2 2013, 09:57 AM) May be, since when you holding this fund and how long period already ? my net profit from this fund is 3.8% (included SC 6% direct purchased from Prudential that time). So is this a considerable good, better or best fund to invest ? i would say so-so in future you would never knows. I don't track profit/loss %, to me it is meaningless, doesn't facilitate performance comparison and review, I prefer to monitor and review by IRR instead. This post has been edited by Pink Spider: Jun 2 2013, 05:48 PM |
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Jun 2 2013, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 2 2013, 05:02 PM) I hope I don't piss all the sifu off here by saying this. Nope.. who said sifu won't make mistake i believe most of the sifu here having some painful scar before. well its all about how you invest no right or wrong. there are plenty of investment strategy.But having a too diversified portfolio is not a good thing sometimes. I believe I have a higher portfolio yield than some of the sifu here who have a wide diversification. But of course, once the market hits me. It'll hit hard. I have got a taste of the 'poison' yet. So diversation is syill the way to go lar. Decision is HOW diversify. |
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Jun 2 2013, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 2 2013, 05:48 PM) I don't track profit/loss %, to me it is meaningless, doesn't facilitate performance comparison and review, I prefer to monitor and review by IRR instead. Is it ? well for me i am monitoring both ways its not meaningless at all. higher IRR doesn't give you an indication that you yield higher Profit/Loss % same apply to vice versa. |
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Jun 2 2013, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(aoisky @ Jun 2 2013, 06:41 PM) Is it ? well for me i am monitoring both ways its not meaningless at all. higher IRR doesn't give you an indication that you yield higher Profit/Loss % same apply to vice versa. Profit/loss % is useless for performance comparison e.g. comparing performance of Fund A vs Fund B cos it does not take into account period invested. |
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Jun 2 2013, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jun 2 2013, 05:45 PM) Why don't u ask iFast and/or FSM and tell us the difference between opening an account with iFast and opening an account with FSM hmm.. will ask my finance advisor friend who helped me to open the account in iFast but IMO, not much difference gua.. like Aeon vs Tesco only |
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Jun 2 2013, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Jun 2 2013, 09:34 PM) hmm.. will ask my finance advisor friend who helped me to open the account in iFast open in iFast will through an advisor or something like a financial company that provide many financial services. FSM is direct to customer..but IMO, not much difference gua.. like Aeon vs Tesco only |
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Jun 2 2013, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 2 2013, 08:55 PM) open in iFast will through an advisor or something like a financial company that provide many financial services. FSM is direct to customer.. yes you are right, everytime I wish to switch funds/topup I will need to inform my advisor first, and there's a form need to be signed as well, it's not an instant transaction thing |
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Jun 2 2013, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jun 2 2013, 08:55 PM) open in iFast will through an advisor or something like a financial company that provide many financial services. FSM is direct to customer.. How about Sales Charges? Similar or slightly higher than FSM? Saw at website they mentioned about "lower SCs"... With Client Investment Specialists like Eugene and Felix, I'd rather go for FSM |
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