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post Jun 9 2013, 04:11 PM

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I think I know liao...picture taken live on Harian Metro and/or Buletin Utama laugh.gif
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post Jun 9 2013, 04:22 PM

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post Jun 9 2013, 04:44 PM

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Follow my stock picks lar, I also invest like Buffett tongue.gif

"Buy the business"
"Do not buy a stock that u cannot imagine holding for years"
"Buy only business that u understand"

Not that hard to apply IMHO. smile.gif

I drink Carlsberg (like drink water), so I buy their stock
I eat Ping Pong cream crackers as snack at office, so I buy their stock
I smoke ciggies, so I buy ciggy stock. And I know which brands are selling well and which are not cos I spend a lot of time at kopi shop

Just some examples tongue.gif

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post Jun 9 2013, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Jun 9 2013, 04:48 PM)
u how long no go "have-fun-time" ?? always steer the topic to that "direction" one
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Unker Looi infected by me blush.gif
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post Jun 9 2013, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 9 2013, 04:49 PM)
at times, i think some are "forced' by upper hands (politically or Bigger bosses) to deviate. so it is always better to see their track records...it is not 100% but at least there are history...also must take note whether there are any change of mgmt
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Chen Fan Fai at Kenanga drove Kenanga Growth Fund to great heights
But when he arrived at Eastspring Investments, EI Asia Pacific Shariah Equity become shitty

How? Unker, explain pls tongue.gif
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post Jun 9 2013, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Jun 9 2013, 04:55 PM)
maybe all the shares he deal in KGF is non halal...

so go the EI , Pafific Shahriah, hancur la
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Kenanga Islamic Fund also did ok wor whistling.gif

2. KGF is 100% Malaysia, EIAPSE is Asia Ex-Japan

Conclusion - diff ppl, diff specialty

Sorry Mr Chen for taking u as an example notworthy.gif

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post Jun 9 2013, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(kabal82 @ Jun 9 2013, 09:13 PM)
Anyone sell off portions of their OSK-UOB Emerging Market Bond Fund? Should continue to keep it or not? Now value almost negative already... sweat.gif

Any advise from sifu here regarding this bond?
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I'm keeping. Now doing anything with it for the time being.
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post Jun 9 2013, 10:08 PM

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Guys, remember - Portfolio concept

U can NEVER have a portfolio of all winners, it just doesn't work that way. Even the best fund manager cannot boast of having a portfolio of all winners and no losers.
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post Jun 9 2013, 10:46 PM

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My worst loss also 10% only, on Alliance Global Equities (2009-10) and Hwang Global Property (2008) and I sold off all

But see how have they rallied since then doh.gif

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post Jun 9 2013, 11:04 PM

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1 strategy I can think of to deal with such volatile funds...maybe u guys can consider.

Let's say u foresee volatility/further losses ahead, BUT u still believe in its long-term potential.

So, u sell/switch out some, make your holding of the fund RELATIVELY small for u. E.g. u used to hold RM5,000, and your monthly cash available for investment is RM500. So, u sell until left maybe RM2,000. Then, as the fund drops, u do DCA to lower your cost per unit. The smaller your monthly top up, the smaller your initial holding has to be. Otherwise topping up won't lower your cost/unit much.

Don't wait until u loss 25% or so, unless u got the ammo to buy in loads. tongue.gif

So, perhaps it'd be a good idea like kabal82 to switch out some
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post Jun 10 2013, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(d_scientist @ Jun 10 2013, 10:15 AM)
hi guys, just discovered FSM! Have cashed out some investment from PM and didnt want to reinvest there cos returns are not so high, yearly they suck ur money and the initial 5.5% is a pain!

anyway, any good funds to actuyally buy here? many thanks
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1. Recommended Funds
2. Recommended Portfolios
3. Funds Selector > search for funds with higher Sharpe and Risk-Return ratios
4. Talk to their Client Investment Specialist
5. Discuss with us here biggrin.gif

QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 10:17 AM)
Why cut loss... should you buy more.. isn't that what portfolio balancing is about. If you cut loss you are timing the market. and most market timers do not fare well. Most of the time, the market bounced back when most retail investors cannot take it anymore and cut loss....thats where bull markets are born.  wink.gif
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Winners will eventually fall back, losers will eventually bounce back

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 10:18 AM)
Alternatively ask pinky to help you construct portfolio... then pay him 1%.  tongue.gif

Cheaper than the 5.5% you pay your UT consultant right?  laugh.gif
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Or spend him go pub hug Vietnam moi brows.gif
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QUOTE(d_scientist @ Jun 10 2013, 10:22 AM)
OSK-UOB Emerging Opportunity Unit Trust -> looks like a good fund but is it right to start?
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I've always said this, and will say this again.

Invest in a portfolio, don't invest in funds

Chances are u won't have a portfolio of all winners and no losers, build a portfolio, diversify and hedge.

Now go digest my words wink.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(d_scientist @ Jun 10 2013, 10:30 AM)
thanks!

Never been good at this so will digest the portfolio that they recommend. seems like the conservative on long run make money... but i guess the aggressive one must monitor n not keep it on autopilot
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Study also the Recommended Portfolios of FSM Singapore.

I know u cannot buy the funds that they have there, but learn how they construct and manage a portfolio.

FSM Singapore's RPs are better constructed and managed than FSM Malaysia's. I won't spoonfeed u and tell u exactly why, go study and find out yourself. wink.gif

P.S. - Over the long-term, a Balanced portfolio would beat a Conservative portfolio.

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post Jun 10 2013, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 10 2013, 10:37 AM)
I support the theory that whatever go up will go down and vice versa. But the question is ever over how long period, and you will never know when it hit rock bottom.

I will monitor closely at PGSF. They took a chance at Asia market, so we'll see how it goes. Was planning to enter into a MY equity, but it's bull is slowly down (or even over), so I think I'll invest in a Asia large cap.

Do share your point of view smile.gif open for discussion.
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For me, I'd sell or suspend topping up on the winners, and switch ammo on the losers. I won't sailang on the losers outright, as u won't know when it will bottom, right? What if u ran out of ammo before it bottom? icon_idea.gif

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Unker gark said it well thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 10:42 AM)
UT movement already consider very mild... when you start play equity directly.. even more challenging.  brows.gif
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Yeah, I learnt the lesson years ago.

Now I gave up on trying to have all winners and no losers. So long as portfolio as a whole is performing, why fret? smile.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 10:48 AM)
If you have 7 out of 10 become winners, you would have beaten WB already... wink.gif His average is 6.5..
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To be a successful investor, u need to bite the bullet and lose your ego. nod.gif
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QUOTE(GottliebDaimler @ Jun 10 2013, 10:50 AM)
I am trying to digest this.
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A +3
B +2
C -1
D 0
E -2
Overall: +2

Then u are a winner already

This is the principle behind portfolio investing
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Having sifu Unker gark in the thread is truly refreshing and educational notworthy.gif
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post Jun 10 2013, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Jun 10 2013, 10:59 AM)
Sell most bond winners and move to worst performing equity.. because bond went up during the period and equity dropped. Why you want to put in best performer?

Pink Spider Please give these people the portfolio balancing theory lesson?  tongue.gif
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Always start with a Target Allocation
e.g. 50% equity, within which 10% Malaysia, 10% Asia Ex-Japan, 30% global + 50% bond

If equity dropped, e.g. to 40% of your portfolio
Malaysia become 9%, Asia Ex-Japan 7%, global 24%

U take out money from bond to top up on equity funds to make it become
50% equity, within which 10% Malaysia, 10% Asia Ex-Japan, 30% global + 50% bond again
I.e. u will top up most on global, a bit on Asia Ex-Japan and a little bit on Malaysia

That's the basic.

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